[NEWBIE] What To Do To Avoid Red-Trust.

[Groundbit]

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INTRO
Lately, many account have been red-trust for participating in campaigns. This is certainly one of the disadvantages for members who want to always keep their accounts positive or at least neutral. Red-Trust or also known as negative trust (Neg-trust) occurs when you are deemed to have indicated fraud or improper forum activity.

BTW if I forgot to check, and there was already a thread like this before, please leave a link in the comments, I will delete this thread, if there is one.

PURPOSE
I took the initiative to make this thread into English with the approval of the original thread owner masulum (from an Indonesian local board).
This thread is aimed at new members who don't really understand negative trust and how this happens and what to do to avoid negative reviews. These are some of the activities that can prevent you from neg-trust, maybe not everything I can list here, but at least this can be used as a reference.

TOPIC

What can cause you to be red-trusted, and how can you avoid it?

1. Don't follow project campaigns that are known to be scams
The first thing you should do is to avoid projects that are indicated as scams. Especially if there is evidence that the project has a history of scamming. The main reason why many DT or top members give negative trust to campaign followers is that the campaign participants support scam projects. If in the future you do a scam again, then the campaign participants have joined in plunging other users into the scam project.
Example of a scam project:

• 1xbit.com signature campaign
• 1xbit Signature Campaign Participants

2. Don't cheat in following the bounty
If you join the bounty, don't play cheat. A prime example is to include multiple accounts for a single campaign. What are you doing this wrong!  When a member reports that you have committed such fraudulent acts, then the top member will give you neg-trust.
Why get negtrust?
The campaign is open to the masses, it would be very bad if greed in participating in this bounty was included in order to increase stake through tuyul accounts/alt accounts/fake accounts.
The worst thing is, You can be banned permanently.
Examples of cheating in the bounty:

• List of names of accounts involved cheating in SantaCoin's Bounty campaign.

3. Borrow money don't run away
At Bitcointalk there are many loan services, even unsecured. Many are exposed to neg-trust by lenders, because they paid late without confirmation, this too is considered an attempt to escape (though that's not necessarily the case). If you are late, the etiquette is to confirm (what's the problem so you are late paying), Don't just disappear right away. Keep in mind, when you owe and don't pay, not only lenders will provide neg-trust, Other top Bitcointalk members will also give neg-trust.
Examples of members who cannot repay loans:

• daarul50
• pandukelana2712

One thing you need to remember
take care of your account, because your account is more valuable than the money you take away. It is true, for example like this, You are now borrowing and running away with 0.01 BTC worth of money. If you keep your account as good as possible (stay neutral), You have a chance to earn more than 1 BTC in the future (not worth the scam you did).

4. Buy-sell account
There are no restrictions on buying and selling accounts, which are stated in the general forum rules. But when the ownership of the account changes, it's not impossible that top members suspect account buyers will do things they don't want (such as fraud). This is why those who buy accounts often get neg-trust.

5. Cheating members
fraudulent act, even just an indication that it will get neg-trust. This scam is not only related to borrowing money and running away, but other things like creating tokens that are not clearly used, this can get neg-trust. Being known to use other people's portfolios to be accepted into campaigns and so on can also make you considered a fraud and potentially get Neg-trust.

CAN NEGATIVES CONTINUE TO BE REMOVED FROM THE ACCOUNT?
The last one is, Can negative trust be removed?
The answer is yes, as long as it is not a fatal act, neg-trust can be eliminated. However, only people who have given negtrust can do it. If the negtrust provider can't accept your request, then don't force it. Because maybe you will get additional neg-trust.

Hope this thread can keep your account neutral and can make you more careful in this awesome forum.

Good luck with your journey on this forum to achieve future success.

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[cryptoaddictchie]

The last one is, Can negative trust be removed?
The answer is yes, as long as it is not a fatal act, neg-trust can be eliminated. However, only people who have given negtrust can do it. If the negtrust provider can't accept your request, then don't force it. Because maybe you will get additional neg-trust.

Thats the thing If you have been proven not guilty then the one who put negative trust with you still not removing the given feedback then hows about that? I think forum works like decentralisation too. Even the argument is favored to the user ( given red tag) those who gave can't remove due to their ego or let say superiority. Unless they got influenced by popular DT to remove their tag.

[GeorgeJohn]

If newbies wants to abstain from getting native tags and adventure into tangible or terrific reputation, the measure to be taking is to abid to the rules and regulations of the community first, because what actually courses the mis-function of beginner is lacks of relevant information, plagiarism is one of the constituent of things that leads beginner's into plagiarism and also having a red tag unexpectedly...but signature campaign that has issued and forum forbid, any newbies who join such signature campaign intensionally want to secure a negative tag, which on my own understanding it's a proposed  negative tag buy the user...op i applaud you for sharing this vital knowledge with newbies.

[Charles-Tim]

Why get negtrust?
The campaign is open to the masses, it would be very bad if greed in participating in this bounty was included in order to increase stake through tuyul accounts/alt accounts/fake accounts.

The reason is because campaign managers are including it among the rules not to join with alt accounts, that if alts are known, the person will be removed from the campaign.

The worst thing is, You can be banned permanently.

You can not be banned because you joined campaign with alt, but the campaign manager can remove the person and its alt. Also both accounts and other all known alts can be tagged.

At Bitcointalk there are many loan services, even unsecured. Many are exposed to neg-trust by lenders

If a borrower default a loan and not paying. I have found it hard for a loaner to tag an account that borrowed. Some loaners will give the person just neutral tag is the most common. But if borrower do not pay and left the forum or do not dialogue with the loaner positively, why not the loaner shouldn't leave negative tag. I expatiate this based on the 'unsecure' you included.

There are no restrictions on buying and selling accounts, which are stated in the general forum rules. But when the ownership of the account changes, it's not impossible that top members suspect account buyers will do things they don't want (such as fraud). This is why those who buy accounts often get neg-trust.

I noticed their is more focus on account selling than buying unless the buyer are shit posters, scammers or of anything that can not do this forum good, but they are left with neutral tag if the account change hands. But for anyone known to be selling account, the person should expect several negative tags. Both account buying and selling can lead to scam is the main reason for them being tagged.

[Pmalek]

Two corrections for the OP.

TW if I forgot to check, and there was already a thread like this before, please leave a link in the comments, I will delete this thread, if there is one.

The thing is, you can't do that. You can't delete a thread that other members have posted in. You can move it, but only the admins can delete it. You can only delete a thread if no one else has posted in it. That doesn't apply to all sub-boards though. But like I said, you can always move the thread to one that allows deleting and do it there.

The worst thing is, You can be banned permanently.

You won't get banned for using multiple accounts or enrolling them in the same signature/bounty campaign. If there is enough proof, you will get tagged but not banned. The forum has no rules about multi-accounting and the admins aren't monitoring what you do with them. 

[hugeblack]

Sorry, but why does this topic talk about signature campaigns indirectly? The purpose of joining the forum should not be to participate in these campaigns, but rather to educate and develop yourself, so getting negative trust will not affect that.

Personally, I did not read the topic in detail, but all the points talk about the focus of "How to make your account meet the minimum requirements for signature campaigns", but it was not mentioned how to develop oneself, not to create duplicate topics, report spamming and other useful activities for the forum.

Generally, trying to create more of these topics would be a waste of time as it is rare for beginners to read them.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Sorry, but why does this topic talk about signature campaigns indirectly? The purpose of joining the forum should not be to participate in these campaigns, but rather to educate and develop yourself, so getting negative trust will not affect that.

Personally, I did not read the topic in detail, but all the points talk about the focus of "How to make your account meet the minimum requirements for signature campaigns", but it was not mentioned how to develop oneself, not to create duplicate topics, report spamming and other useful activities for the forum.

Generally, trying to create more of these topics would be a waste of time as it is rare for beginners to read them.

Well, what did you want to see from an account that woke up 5 years later and immediately started participating in subscription campaigns? Merit is the foundation of the creation, or simple translation, of this topic. The OP has a post where he asks to rate his recent comments.
For example, I am inclined that this is an alternative account of one of the participants in the Indonesian section. And all the other motives of the OP will become known to us shortly.
Today, this topic is the most common merit of fishing.

[Coyster]

Don't just disappear right away. Keep in mind, when you owe and don't pay, not only lenders will provide neg-trust...

Mind that that loan defaulters could actually care less about any negative rating left on their accounts trust page, I mean, they have already made up their mind to leave the forum with the money they swindled, or have decided to carry on posting here with a ruined reputation (and also not being eligible to join any signature campaign), it is the lender that is usually left to bear the brunt of losing their money to such people, and that's why they have to be very careful how they lend money out, and the amount they can give to a particular user, based on reputation, past deals, history of loans paid back, amount of years spent on the forum, etc.

[cheezcarls]

OP also forgot about another reason which is already common for all of us, and that is no other than plagiarism. From copying someone else’s content and images without permission or giving credit source, whitepaper and other stuff, you’ll get a red tag for sure. This is definitely a no-no, not just here on Bitcointalk but also in all aspects of life.

[tranthidung]

The intention to join the forum should be to learn about Bitcoin then other cryptocurrencies (alternative cryptocurrencies). It should not be earning merit, avoiding red trust. Merit or trust should not be initial or main reasons you join the forum.

Just do good things, no one will give you valid negative (red) trust feedback
Just contribute good things by  posts or topics, merit will find you

Positive trust feedback takes time to receive because it relates to your reputation on this forum. But a member with positive trust feedback can still scam you. Life is not clear between right and wrong, good and bad person somewhat.

• LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system
• Guide on avoid red tags by supporting already known scam projects

[Mpamaegbu]

3. Borrow money don't run away

I don't know if that's still so much an issue as other offences when borrowers default on payments. I see DarkStar_ leaving them a neutral feedback this day and no longer red tags.

However, only people who have given negtrust can do it.

This is indeed a sad reality. Sometimes those who put the red trust are either no longer posting here or are simply dead and their actions can't be undone by someone else even when the case that warranted it is resolved. A case in point is the neg tag left on Best_Change by TMAN. The user (with several others too then) felt that there was a scam accusation on Best_Change. But several weeks later the campaign was discovered not to have any issues (in fact, it's running as one of the best till date) others withdrew their reservations except for TMAN who hasn't been active since March 12, 2020, barely two months after the user put that neg trust.

[Shamm]

so this content are not yours but like you said that you ask for the confirmation of the author and then he/she agree to translate it  to english. I think this work is good keep it up.

2. Don't cheat in following the bounty
If you join the bounty, don't play cheat. A prime example is to include multiple accounts for a single campaign. What are you doing this wrong!  When a member reports that you have committed such fraudulent acts, then the top member will give you neg-trust.
Why get negtrust?
The campaign is open to the masses, it would be very bad if greed in participating in this bounty was included in order to increase stake through tuyul accounts/alt accounts/fake accounts.
The worst thing is, You can be banned permanently.
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last year this is one of the common problem here in our community cause other users creates and multiple accounts to joined bounty campaign without knowing that this is prohibited. there are many accounts caught for cheating the bounty campaign and then they get a negative trust or worst banned. I don't know why they still doing this kind of tricks.

[Groundbit]

~Snip~as long as it is not a fatal act,

Thats the thing If you have been proven not guilty then the one who put negative trust with you still not removing the given feedback then hows about that? I think forum works like decentralisation too. Even the argument is favored to the user ( given red tag) those who gave can't remove due to their ego or let say superiority. Unless they got influenced by popular DT to remove their tag.

I can't deny, what you say is true. every mistake there is always a consequence that must be accepted. But if it wasn't a fatal mistake, maybe the one who put the red-trust will remove it.

~Snip~

Being a good user is the goal of every member who joins this forum. Not only here, everywhere there will always be certain rules that must be respected.

op i applaud you for sharing this vital knowledge with newbies.

thank you, my goal is just to share information

The reason is because campaign managers are including it among the rules not to join with alt accounts, that if alts are known, the person will be removed from the campaign.

Yes that's what i mean, when manager removes alt account from campaign, it will be very detrimental, in addition to not getting paid, alt accounts will also be marked neg-trust.

The thing is, you can't do that. You can't delete a thread that other members have posted in. You can move it, but only the admins can delete it. You can only delete a thread if no one else has posted in it. That doesn't apply to all sub-boards though. But like I said, you can always move the thread to one that allows deleting and do it there.

Yes, I know. That I can not delete the thread that I have created, but I will lock it or ask the admin to delete it immediately.

thanks for the correction.

Sorry, but why does this topic talk about signature campaigns indirectly? The purpose of joining the forum should not be to participate in these campaigns, but rather to educate and develop yourself, so getting negative trust will not affect that.

In this forum I see a lot of newbies who don't understand the forum rules. Especially in joining the campaign. There are so many cases that have been proven to be fraudulent in the campaign  List of names of accounts involved cheating in SantaCoin's Bounty campaign.. So I thought to give a little input on how to join the campaign to keep account neutral.
Knowledge is also very important. But I don't want to be hypocritical here, apart from developing knowledge, we also make money in this forum. The proof is that you are using a paid BTC signature.

Well, what did you want to see from an account that woke up 5 years later and immediately started participating in subscription campaigns? Merit is the foundation of the creation, or simple translation, of this topic. The OP has a post where he asks to rate his recent comments.
For example, I am inclined that this is an alternative account of one of the participants in the Indonesian section. And all the other motives of the OP will become known to us shortly.
Today, this topic is the most common merit of fishing.

Recently I just woke up from a long sleep. After the merit system was established, I felt unable to develop knowledge in this forum. Now I am trying to be active again because of the urge to develop knowledge in the forum.
My goal to take over this thread, purely an impulse from the heart to provide important information for newbies who do not understand the important rules of the forum.

OP also forgot about another reason which is already common for all of us, and that is no other than plagiarism. From copying someone else’s content and images without permission or giving credit source, whitepaper and other stuff, you’ll get a red tag for sure. This is definitely a no-no, not just here on Bitcointalk but also in all aspects of life.

I do not understand your accusation, above I have clearly explained, this topic I took with the approval of the original owner.

I took the initiative to make this thread into English with the approval of the original thread owner masulum (from an Indonesian local board).

[DarkStar_]

3. Borrow money don't run away

I don't know if that's still so much an issue as other offences when borrowers default on payments. I see DarkStar_ leaving them a neutral feedback this day and no longer red tags.

I'm not sure where you're getting this idea from - people who default a loan should (and are) given red trust. It's also one of the cases where there's essentially no ambiguity about what happened. Either someone repays a loan, or they don't. I leave neutral feedbacks for active loans, and often leave neutral feedbacks when people repay their loan.

Many are exposed to neg-trust by lenders, because they paid late without confirmation, this too is considered an attempt to escape (though that's not necessarily the case). If you are late, the etiquette is to confirm (what's the problem so you are late paying)

I don't think this is accurate either. I would say that it is a good idea to remove negative trust after someone repays a loan late, as it incentivises them to repay the loan. I can't think of a case where people thought they were trying to "escape".

[BITCOIN4X]

I do not understand your accusation, above I have clearly explained, this topic I took with the approval of the original owner.

IMO cheezcarls not accusing you of plagiarism about this thread but he's just saying that there is another reason why someone gets a negative tag and it's because of plagiarism either from whitepapers or certain websites that you might list. Please reread what he means, he's not accusing you.

Besides plagiarism, there are several other reasons that can also make users get negative tags, namely trolling. Yes, trolling is one of those things forum users shouldn't do if they don't want to get negative tags.

[decodx]

Being a good user is the goal of every member who joins this forum. Not only here, everywhere there will always be certain rules that must be respected.

Sadly, no. Many members come to this forum to scam, cheat, or do something else even more nefarious. Not only here, but in other forums and social networks on the Internet as well. That's why it's important to always use caution and have as much information on a person as possible before trusting or dealing with them.

I do not understand your accusation, above I have clearly explained, this topic I took with the approval of the original owner.

It wasn't an accusation against you. You got it wrong.

[sheenshane]

Besides plagiarism, there are several other reasons that can also make users get negative tags, namely trolling. Yes, trolling is one of those things forum users shouldn't do if they don't want to get negative tags.

Plagiarism is a different case from trolling or even shilling scam sites.
The offender of the plagiarism once proven as guilty has a heavy punishment like a permanent ban, not a red tag.  I don't usually support red-tagging about trolling because that is not appropriate on my part, maybe a neutral tag would be the right one.

For the red tag, I think if the offender is proven and guilty as a scammer or it could be harm other users, it would be best to put a red tag on the profile to warn other members or much better create a flag that would be suitable on this case.  Any financial matters that you feel that can harm others will deserve to be red-tagged including cheating and abuse.

Read the LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system for the proper use of Trust System.

Negative (shown as -1)
If you believe someone is a scammer, or someone is likely to scam, that deserves negative feedback. Please provide evidence.
If you really hate someone and he's a terrible troll, that does not deserve negative feedback.

[SatoPrincess]

4. Buy-sell account
There are no restrictions on buying and selling accounts, which are stated in the general forum rules. But when the ownership of the account changes, it's not impossible that top members suspect account buyers will do things they don't want (such as fraud). This is why those who buy accounts often get neg-trust.

I don't think you can get a negative trust for buying an account. It rules says buying Bitcointalk account is "discouraged".

18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.

A neutral tag is likely to be given to a bought account with reference feedback to the change in password or posting style. IMO a negative feedback or red tag may be given in cases where the new owner is suspected to have malicious intent. Others had shared their opinion about this issue on this thread Bitcointalk Rules..Bend/Break

[_BlackStar]

I don't think you can get a negative trust for buying an account. It rules says buying Bitcointalk account is "discouraged".

18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.

A neutral tag is likely to be given to a bought account with reference feedback to the change in password or posting style. IMO a negative feedback or red tag may be given in cases where the new owner is suspected to have malicious intent. Others had shared their opinion about this issue on this thread Bitcointalk Rules..Bend/Break

Account sales is fine if both parties agree to buy and pay without cheating or harming anyone, but in most cases selling an account will only increase cheater spammers. This is the reason why account sales are frowned upon even though they are allowed. I found some DT's gave them a red tag while others gave them a neutral tag, that's entirely up to them which I don't think is a bad thing.

I don't completely agree about the neutral tag for those account sales, it allows more users to be interested in buying or selling accounts so there will be more cases of scam and spammers on the forum. Someone should give them a red tag so that people will think that account sales is not frowned upon.

[Rruchi man]

I don't think you can get a negative trust for buying an account. It rules says buying Bitcointalk account is "discouraged".

The idea of buying an account defeats the original motive of this forum, which is to learn, it sends the message of greed, impatience and a signal that money may just be the reason and your motivation for you being here. It is better to start small, rather than at a stage where it may be difficult to understand how the forum operates especially if you have never been here, that is another reason IMO why it is discouraged. You can get a negative trust because unlike the previous owner, your reputation is not known and it is also in question.