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January 12, 2022, 04:40:26 AM
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Interesting analysis. Notice how the cycle is getting changed over the period of time now! The four year cycle does not seem to be followed by the 2021-2022 year due to the Greed:Fear ratio being at its peak. If we start from the bottom of graph and previous years then analyse that how Greed pushes the market upwards following the sharp bearish trend but again followed by breaking of the all ATH records of previous years.

This has not happened in the last two years. The pandemic is also big contributor for this thing as we saw down turn in the financial systems and economic crisis world wide.
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January 12, 2022, 04:45:42 AM
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That's why they tweet anything regarding the situation of the market where they will use it to invest when things will go exactly as they planned. Thankfully we have more intelligent investors today than before, they won't settle for what the influencers think about bitcoins and cryptocurrencies nowadays. but still, when the market is facing some difficulties, there are lots of investors who panicked and when that happened, opportunities who were waiting for the price to decrease are ready to pump up the price again. If you master such technique, you would never suffere any loss in the market.
Sadly though, we are still being overrun by dumb investors who just moves depending on how the FUDs want them to move, it's not really a big problem though but there's more dumb investors than the smart ones so they end up making the market move to their liking even if we are smart. Good thing that anyone can take advantage of this kind of problem though, it's not that difficult to follow through this and make yourself some cash while following it.
and what is annoying is that some of those who are less experienced in this investment market are those who have a large capital.
with large capital and fairly large asset ownership. provoked to follow FUD, of course, it became a big problem for the market when some people with large capital began to be led to follow FUD.
the problem is the experience and panic about the ownership of the assets they have. they are less calm in reading the situation.

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January 12, 2022, 05:05:48 AM
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That's why they tweet anything regarding the situation of the market where they will use it to invest when things will go exactly as they planned. Thankfully we have more intelligent investors today than before, they won't settle for what the influencers think about bitcoins and cryptocurrencies nowadays. but still, when the market is facing some difficulties, there are lots of investors who panicked and when that happened, opportunities who were waiting for the price to decrease are ready to pump up the price again. If you master such technique, you would never suffere any loss in the market.
Sadly though, we are still being overrun by dumb investors who just moves depending on how the FUDs want them to move, it's not really a big problem though but there's more dumb investors than the smart ones so they end up making the market move to their liking even if we are smart. Good thing that anyone can take advantage of this kind of problem though, it's not that difficult to follow through this and make yourself some cash while following it.
and what is annoying is that some of those who are less experienced in this investment market are those who have a large capital.
I'm not buying that mate because capitalists or businessman will not invest too much of what they think may lose so wrong that less experienced are the larger investors .
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with large capital and fairly large asset ownership. provoked to follow FUD, of course, it became a big problem for the market when some people with large capital began to be led to follow FUD.
We know nothing about this in reality mate , because in crypto privacy we know small things on who really makes the market moves.
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the problem is the experience and panic about the ownership of the assets they have. they are less calm in reading the situation.
Panicking happens every time and that is part of the market because we are talking about Money here and people are afraid in losing.









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January 12, 2022, 05:49:01 AM
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I like the summarized type of chart where the index is seen for all time. I think the best way to get that in your head is to see the past happenings and correlate if it will be the same sentiment. So if you are thinking about buying Bitcoin, and then you see that people are fearful of it, then it's a great time to buy. I'm not sure if this would be a great indication, but you can still be profitable if you do it correctly.
Isn't that how that works, when the fear index is high, you buy more bitcoin and when you see that greed index is high then that's the time that you sell almost every bitcoin in your possession or any crypto that you have that has high greed index. That's how I am doing my trades recently and how I made some profit out it and so far so good for me.

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January 12, 2022, 06:00:27 AM
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I think ...if you experienced the price drop from $18 000 to $3000 back in 2017 or after that... you cannot be called a newbie anymore. A lot of people thought that the price will go down to zero back then and it was panic stations all around. The die hard Bitcoiners stuck to their guns and they Hodled right through that.

The reward..... $60 000+ Bitcoin price in 2021  So, what have we learnt from that? ...Answer : Do NOT panic .... hodl for long-term profits, not short-term losses.  Wink

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January 12, 2022, 08:17:57 AM
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I think ...if you experienced the price drop from $18 000 to $3000 back in 2017 or after that... you cannot be called a newbie anymore. A lot of people thought that the price will go down to zero back then and it was panic stations all around. The die hard Bitcoiners stuck to their guns and they Hodled right through that.

The reward..... $60 000+ Bitcoin price in 2021  So, what have we learnt from that? ...Answer : Do NOT panic .... hodl for long-term profits, not short-term losses.  Wink
Exactly and most especially when you happen to buy at about the top of the market. Most people tend to cut their loss because of the fear that they don't know how far low that price might get but if you have been holding from quite a good price from the bottom, I would definitely take some profit or sell to buy buy back once we are near the bottom again though this is hard to confirm but this is the risk we all have to take in this space.
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January 12, 2022, 09:16:24 AM
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what would be useful as a better measure of "fear" or "greed"
its not a simple

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price up=greener
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but instead. look at all the transactions of bitcoin. and note the exchange rate at the time of UTXO creation. and the exchange rate when that UTXO is spent.

if the UTXO moves(destroyed) when the price is lower than it was created. thats a signal of fear. if the utxo moves when it has gained XXX% thats a sign of greed.

EG i have coins i havnt moved since 2012($6/coin) so my utxo would show as greed.
but someone else that bought at $60k and is now spending that utxo at $40k is obviously moving at a 'loss', which can be fear

of course not all movements = 'spending' / 'exiting at a loss' . but its a better way to view how many coins people decided that its time to do something with based on value. which is a better indicator than the simple chart that just makes price rise greener and price drops redder(high school level logic)

using the UTXO of creation and destruction (btc moving in transactions)
you can then plot it into a graph against the bitcoin price of the % of greed vs % of fear

EG although today the topic creators graph shows we are in a red fear zone.. if i sold my coin today. im making 6666x profit. which would be extreme greed. not fear.
if majority of todays exchange trade volume was from 'early adopters' it would be a greed day, not a fear day
if majority of todays exchange trade volume was from 'late adopters'($50k+) it would be a fear day, not a greed day



If the HODLers/early miners of 2012 who received their UTXOs priced at $6.00 a coin started selling all of their coins and caused a crash to $10,000 a coin, it would be a time of extreme greed for the market, not extreme panic? OK, franky1. Thankfully normal people don’t analyse the market like you. Cool

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January 12, 2022, 11:28:28 AM
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I think ...if you experienced the price drop from $18 000 to $3000 back in 2017 or after that... you cannot be called a newbie anymore. A lot of people thought that the price will go down to zero back then and it was panic stations all around. The die hard Bitcoiners stuck to their guns and they Hodled right through that.

The reward..... $60 000+ Bitcoin price in 2021  So, what have we learnt from that? ...Answer : Do NOT panic .... hodl for long-term profits, not short-term losses.  Wink
At least, that is a tough situation for people who are still at the crypto as we never imagine that the price will go to that price for some time. But we can smile after that as the price increases and returns to the high price. But still, I will call myself a newbie who needs to learn more about controlling emotion because that happens to anyone in crypto. Panic will possess us to make a fast decision, but the experience will give us advice on what we should do. So yes, it is, do not panic is the key and we must have that.

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Previous year at the same time bitcoin price was around $30k-$32k and the bitcoin price increase and reached $66k+ in 2022.Now bitcoin price around $43000+, i Think bitcoin price will be more increase and i hope bitcoin will be more development. Don't be panic and don't miss that great opportunity, buy and hold long time bitcoin. I hope will be get good profit in future.
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Previous year at the same time bitcoin price was around $30k-$32k and the bitcoin price increase and reached $66k+ in 2022.Now bitcoin price around $43000+, i Think bitcoin price will be more increase and i hope bitcoin will be more development. Don't be panic and don't miss that great opportunity, buy and hold long time bitcoin. I hope will be get good profit in future.
You can check it with Bitcoin Yearly Lowest price that is a very good chart for considering long term trend of Bitcoin.

I made charts for Yearly Highest and Lowest Price

When you look at lowest price that means you are looking at worst performance of Bitcoin in each year. See, the trend is absolutely bullish. What do you need to get profit with Bitcoin? Simply get in and HODL.

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January 16, 2022, 06:08:38 PM
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Actually, this index is quite helpful in indicating the current mood of the market, but the problem I see is that you cannot buy/ sell based on this index, it's because you will see in bear runs, this index remains in the fear stage while in bull run it stays in the greed stage, now technically one should buy in fear stage and sell in greed stage, but this index can last in fear stage for very long periods, for example, the market stayed in "Fear Range" from may 15 to july 26, but similarly, on 16th June it tried to go out of the fear area, now if you would have brought anytime on this day thinking of the end of bear run chances are you would have lost capital because market even touched many lower lows even after this time, similarly even after reaching the greed stage it touches a lot of higher highs, which means this index can just be used to know the market stage, you can't decide your trades based on it.
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Actually, this index is quite helpful in indicating the current mood of the market, but the problem I see is that you cannot buy/ sell based on this index, it's because you will see in bear runs, this index remains in the fear stage while in bull run it stays in the greed stage
Why not?

You can not use that index for your decisions if you are a FOMO trader or investor. But if you apply the principle "Being fearful when others are greedy and being greedy when others are fearful", so yes this index can help you to make decisions. Obviously, it won't help you to find out exact bottoms but good enough to base on it and make your entry in bottom range. That's good enough.

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January 20, 2022, 08:47:17 PM
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Actually, this index is quite helpful in indicating the current mood of the market, but the problem I see is that you cannot buy/ sell based on this index, it's because you will see in bear runs, this index remains in the fear stage while in bull run it stays in the greed stage
Why not?

You can not use that index for your decisions if you are a FOMO trader or investor. But if you apply the principle "Being fearful when others are greedy and being greedy when others are fearful", so yes this index can help you to make decisions. Obviously, it won't help you to find out exact bottoms but good enough to base on it and make your entry in bottom range. That's good enough.
Yes, I mean it can give an idea of which direction to trade at maximum, you are right that it might help me find a good entry, but what I am trying to say is that either you be a trader or you be a HODLer when it comes to bitcoin, if you are a trader, then this is a pretty lagging indicator, at maximum the idea this index gives me is which direction to trade. While if you are HODLer this won't really matter to you. And the information relating to bullishness or bearishness of the market can be easily fetched by just a quick glance on the chart of the coin itself. Like if currently we are in extreme fear, what do you suggest I do if I have a capital of let's say $1000?
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January 20, 2022, 11:23:35 PM
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Actually, this index is quite helpful in indicating the current mood of the market, but the problem I see is that you cannot buy/ sell based on this index, it's because you will see in bear runs, this index remains in the fear stage while in bull run it stays in the greed stage
Why not?

You can not use that index for your decisions if you are a FOMO trader or investor. But if you apply the principle "Being fearful when others are greedy and being greedy when others are fearful", so yes this index can help you to make decisions. Obviously, it won't help you to find out exact bottoms but good enough to base on it and make your entry in bottom range. That's good enough.
This is the only time you would really see this fear and greed index would be helpful on which you could presume out that the entire market is on that fear side
where you could really apply your own analysis and made out specific actions basing up on what you do saw.It is right that you shouldnt rely on it since it wont
be accurate but having these things is much better rather than have none because having at least some reference isnt bad at all.
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January 21, 2022, 05:27:01 PM
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Actually, this index is quite helpful in indicating the current mood of the market, but the problem I see is that you cannot buy/ sell based on this index, it's because you will see in bear runs, this index remains in the fear stage while in bull run it stays in the greed stage
Why not?

You can not use that index for your decisions if you are a FOMO trader or investor. But if you apply the principle "Being fearful when others are greedy and being greedy when others are fearful", so yes this index can help you to make decisions. Obviously, it won't help you to find out exact bottoms but good enough to base on it and make your entry in bottom range. That's good enough.
This is the only time you would really see this fear and greed index would be helpful on which you could presume out that the entire market is on that fear side
where you could really apply your own analysis and made out specific actions basing up on what you do saw.It is right that you shouldnt rely on it since it wont
be accurate but having these things is much better rather than have none because having at least some reference isnt bad at all.
I didn't get what are you trying to say. I mean if I am doing my analysis separately how is this useful? Moreover my very simple question was that what could I have done yesterday after seeing the index. A simple answer from anyone would have been yes buy but what happened today morning was that market tanked $5k and a person would end up in loss.
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January 22, 2022, 09:32:30 PM
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This is the only time you would really see this fear and greed index would be helpful on which you could presume out that the entire market is on that fear side
where you could really apply your own analysis and made out specific actions basing up on what you do saw.It is right that you shouldnt rely on it since it wont
be accurate but having these things is much better rather than have none because having at least some reference isnt bad at all.
I didn't get what are you trying to say. I mean if I am doing my analysis separately how is this useful? Moreover my very simple question was that what could I have done yesterday after seeing the index. A simple answer from anyone would have been yes buy but what happened today morning was that market tanked $5k and a person would end up in loss.
After reading your first question, I do understand what you’re trying to say, and it is quite the same thing that they OP is trying to answer here. When the market is in bearish time, people are afraid of investing because they feel that the market would continue to go down and not gain any value for them when they invest. So when the market is in the fearful state, that should be the right time for you to invest.

If you’re able to invest during the bearish time, and hold it till the bull run starts, then you would be making profit while others are trying to rush in out of greed, and when you notice that the greed is high during the bullish times, you can then decide to sell your coins and take your profit before the market starts to fall. So what they OP said really applies to buying and selling. But at the same time you should also try to do technical analysis because it can be quite helpful.

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Not just FUD, some of the FOMOs created are also used by whales to manipulate the minds of novice investors to enter the market, so that the market will move at the price they have set. Anyone can take advantage of well by taking advantage of every moment that occurs in the market. Don't be too greedy and don't be too afraid when you enter the market.

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January 23, 2022, 12:00:00 AM
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Not just FUD, some of the FOMOs created are also used by whales to manipulate the minds of novice investors to enter the market, so that the market will move at the price they have set.
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This is already given, as time goes by FUD are starting to become a normal thing on Bitcoin space.
Another problem we have is those people who are trading with extreme leverage, this is one of the reasons why we keep seeing a huge candle wick on the chart, over-leveraged trading.

To be honest, a lot of people crying now because of the dump, and I consider those people are "newbies" as if they experienced some huge dumps before especially in January 2018, this thing is normal for sure.


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This is already given, as time goes by FUD are starting to become a normal thing on Bitcoin space.
Another problem we have is those people who are trading with extreme leverage, this is one of the reasons why we keep seeing a huge candle wick on the chart, over-leveraged trading.
Crypto market is volatile and is manipulated by news, leverage, liquidations. Newbies will look at chart and say price tops up or crashes with huge trading volume because of supply and demand. They are wrong. Supply and demand always have its role but in crypto market, it means for long term. Short term, price will be pushed up to top or crashes because of liquidations which are unavoidable after triggering.

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To be honest, a lot of people crying now because of the dump, and I consider those people are "newbies" as if they experienced some huge dumps before especially in January 2018, this thing is normal for sure.
It is normal for experienced guys and with time, some of newbies will grow up, have more experience and become diamond hands. They can do this if they manage to survive through many crashes in the market and still are able to protect or reserve part of their initial capital to continue.

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Here's the current Bitcoin Fear and Greed index:

Personally, it will continue to be stucked there for a while. We need a bigger volume from Long liquidation, then short squeeze will occur.

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I think ...if you experienced the price drop from $18 000 to $3000 back in 2017 or after that... you cannot be called a newbie anymore. A lot of people thought that the price will go down to zero back then and it was panic stations all around. The die hard Bitcoiners stuck to their guns and they Hodled right through that.

The reward..... $60 000+ Bitcoin price in 2021  So, what have we learnt from that? ...Answer : Do NOT panic .... hodl for long-term profits, not short-term losses.  Wink

Precisely, but only few can really ignore what is happening right now, despite experiencing the ups and downs of 2017/18 some people still freak out over every market correction, and then the panic mode sets in and give birth to non-stop selling, it is a good thing the weak hands will be gone soon so the market can reverse, honestly we really have more dumb than smart investors in the space, imagine those who bought at top will panic sell for no reason. Roll Eyes

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