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January 14, 2022, 11:01:16 AM |
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Hello everyone, I'm looking for a platform where I can use the anti-liquidation feature. For example, I can add a new order to an open position, thereby changing the opening price of the entire position close to the market price, and thus moving the liquidation price further.
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January 14, 2022, 11:12:35 AM |
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You can do it on exchanges that support future trading. All you have to do is to change from one-way mode to hedge mode.
One-way mode This means once a position is opened, you can not add asset to it to increase your liquidation price range so the chances of getting liquidated is reduced.
Hedge mode Assuming you open a short position for bitcoin, but bitcoin price increase, and your funds is about to liquidate at $45000 as bitcoin price is increasing, if you want to be able to add more collateral to your future account so that there will be no liquidation, then you will have to change one-way mode to hedge mode so if you transfer more asset to your future account, the risk of getting liquidated will reduce as the price can change from $45000 to a higher price before liquidation.
You can try any exchange that support future trading, such exchange will support hedge mode. You can try Binance but it requires KYC or try FTX.
Note: future trading is subjected to high risk, do not use the amount you can not afford to to lose trade. The higher the leverage used the higher can be the losses, do not only be thinking of the profit.
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January 14, 2022, 11:15:06 AM |
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Additionally, looks for exchanges that allow for cross margin as this will work the same sort of thing (but be careful with that).
Edit: also be careful to not just chase the price as I think there are quite a few newbie traders who try to or think it might be useful.
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January 14, 2022, 11:31:35 AM |
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Additionally, looks for exchanges that allow for cross margin as this will work the same sort of thing (but be careful with that).
That is true, cross margin will also work in which user will be able to transfer more collateral from the sport account to margin account. While if left in isolation margin, user will not be able to transfer collateral. I also think if a trader has opened a position already and he chose isolation margin, he will not also be able to convert to cross margin accept when he closes the trade to open new position using cross margin. I hope I am correct about this.
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January 14, 2022, 11:42:41 AM Last edit: January 14, 2022, 12:35:51 PM by mprep |
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You can do it on exchanges that support future trading. All you have to do is to change from one-way mode to hedge mode.
One-way mode This means once a position is opened, you can not add asset to it to increase your liquidation price range so the chances of getting liquidated is reduced.
Hedge mode Assuming you open a short position for bitcoin, but bitcoin price increase, and your funds is about to liquidate at $45000 as bitcoin price is increasing, if you want to be able to add more collateral to your future account so that there will be no liquidation, then you will have to change one-way mode to hedge mode so if you transfer more asset to your future account, the risk of getting liquidated will reduce as the price can change from $45000 to a higher price before liquidation.
You can try any exchange that support future trading, such exchange will support hedge mode. You can try Binance but it requires KYC or try FTX.
Note: future trading is subjected to high risk, do not use the amount you can not afford to to lose trade. The higher the leverage used the higher can be the losses, do not only be thinking of the profit.
I think, judging by the description, futures are not suitable for him, since the system is different there. Move the liquidation price by changing the average price and leverage, without additional obligations.
Hello everyone, I'm looking for a platform where I can use the anti-liquidation feature. For example, I can add a new order to an open position, thereby changing the opening price of the entire position close to the market price, and thus moving the liquidation price further.
Try the Fybit platform, I trade there myself, there are no problems. [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]
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January 14, 2022, 12:46:56 PM |
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I also think if a trader has opened a position already and he chose isolation margin, he will not also be able to convert to cross margin accept when he closes the trade to open new position using cross margin. I hope I am correct about this.
This is going to be exchange specific, for example, I have a feeling bitmex used to allow isolated to cross margin moves (but not backwards). Try the Fybit platform, I trade there myself, there are no problems.
I'd be careful using a lesser known exchange, at the very least they could have exploitable bugs making them more prone to having funds stolen.
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January 14, 2022, 01:39:02 PM |
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I also think if a trader has opened a position already and he chose isolation margin, he will not also be able to convert to cross margin accept when he closes the trade to open new position using cross margin. I hope I am correct about this.
This is going to be exchange specific, for example, I have a feeling bitmex used to allow isolated to cross margin moves (but not backwards). Try the Fybit platform, I trade there myself, there are no problems.
I'd be careful using a lesser known exchange, at the very least they could have exploitable bugs making them more prone to having funds stolen. Once upon a time, both Binance and Bitmex were new platforms. I have traded everywhere, and I still continue to use Binance, but Fybit is a good platform in my opinion. It seems to me that this is a former Bitseven, very similar. And Bitseven was much more loyal than all the other major exchanges and they have never been hacked over the years of their existence.
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January 14, 2022, 01:42:09 PM |
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If you want to use this function in automatic mode, so that the balance is gradually transferred by itself, as you draw down, then cross margin will suit you for these purposes. This is on BitMEX and on ByBit, for example. On Bitmex, for example, you can only open 1 trade for a particular asset in one direction. For example, you are trading in the BTC\USD pair and you opened a position for 1/30 of your deposit, if you want to move your position away from the liquidation level, then you simply buy the asset again and it averages your 1 trade. My reviews on these exchanges: - ByBit - Derivatives Exchange- BitMEX - Derivatives ExchangeI'm not interested in cross margin, only isolated margin. So I get to earn money at a distance, and not lose.
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January 14, 2022, 02:08:48 PM |
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I also think if a trader has opened a position already and he chose isolation margin, he will not also be able to convert to cross margin accept when he closes the trade to open new position using cross margin. I hope I am correct about this.
This is going to be exchange specific, for example, I have a feeling bitmex used to allow isolated to cross margin moves (but not backwards). Try the Fybit platform, I trade there myself, there are no problems.
I'd be careful using a lesser known exchange, at the very least they could have exploitable bugs making them more prone to having funds stolen. Once upon a time, both Binance and Bitmex were new platforms. I have traded everywhere, and I still continue to use Binance, but Fybit is a good platform in my opinion. It seems to me that this is a former Bitseven, very similar. And Bitseven was much more loyal than all the other major exchanges and they have never been hacked over the years of their existence. I met this opportunity only on Bitseven, but I didn't hear anything about Fybit. Are you not afraid that they may be scammers, since there is nothing special about them on the network?
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January 14, 2022, 02:29:45 PM |
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I'm not interested in cross margin, only isolated margin. So I get to earn money at a distance, and not lose.
Cross margin is much more effective in terms of making money and in terms of risk management than isolated margin. The meaning of the cross margin is that although you make a deal on a part of your deposit, you automatically use your entire deposit, which works as a guarantee for possible drawdowns. The less of your deposit you put into a trade, the further your liquidation line will be and the more collateral you will have. On isolated margin, the percentage of profit for the same trade that you could make on cross margin will be much less. And with isolated margin, the liquidation level is always much closer, you will have to manually average your position during the drawdown in order to move the liquidation level back by buying the asset. And if the market went in the opposite direction from your transaction, and at that time you are not on the exchange or are you sleeping? Cross margin easily solves these problems, because the provision works for averaging automatically, and if the market returns to your trade, then your balance will also fall into place. This way you save on commissions, because on isolated margin you will have to enter the trade again to average out and push back the liquidation level, thus you will spend even more on commissions. I have been trading on margin exchanges for 4 years, under various conditions, and I do not see any advantage of isolated margin over cross margin. Here everyone has their own opinion, I have been trading for 2 years, I was losing money on the cross margin, and on the isolated margin, I began to earn steadily.
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January 14, 2022, 03:21:54 PM |
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I also think if a trader has opened a position already and he chose isolation margin, he will not also be able to convert to cross margin accept when he closes the trade to open new position using cross margin. I hope I am correct about this.
This is going to be exchange specific, for example, I have a feeling bitmex used to allow isolated to cross margin moves (but not backwards). Try the Fybit platform, I trade there myself, there are no problems.
I'd be careful using a lesser known exchange, at the very least they could have exploitable bugs making them more prone to having funds stolen. Once upon a time, both Binance and Bitmex were new platforms. I have traded everywhere, and I still continue to use Binance, but Fybit is a good platform in my opinion. It seems to me that this is a former Bitseven, very similar. And Bitseven was much more loyal than all the other major exchanges and they have never been hacked over the years of their existence. I met this opportunity only on Bitseven, but I didn't hear anything about Fybit. Are you not afraid that they may be scammers, since there is nothing special about them on the network? Too many signs indicate that this is Bitseven under a different brand. Therefore, I trust them. I also know one famous person who brings his subscribers to them, probably he also knows something. In any case, I do not deposit large sums there yet, I will trade further.
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January 14, 2022, 03:38:15 PM |
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I also think if a trader has opened a position already and he chose isolation margin, he will not also be able to convert to cross margin accept when he closes the trade to open new position using cross margin. I hope I am correct about this.
This is going to be exchange specific, for example, I have a feeling bitmex used to allow isolated to cross margin moves (but not backwards). Try the Fybit platform, I trade there myself, there are no problems.
I'd be careful using a lesser known exchange, at the very least they could have exploitable bugs making them more prone to having funds stolen. Once upon a time, both Binance and Bitmex were new platforms. I have traded everywhere, and I still continue to use Binance, but Fybit is a good platform in my opinion. It seems to me that this is a former Bitseven, very similar. And Bitseven was much more loyal than all the other major exchanges and they have never been hacked over the years of their existence. I met this opportunity only on Bitseven, but I didn't hear anything about Fybit. Are you not afraid that they may be scammers, since there is nothing special about them on the network? Too many signs indicate that this is Bitseven under a different brand. Therefore, I trust them. I also know one famous person who brings his subscribers to them, probably he also knows something. In any case, I do not deposit large sums there yet, I will trade further. Thanks for the tip, I'll try fybit. The interface is very similar to bitseven)
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