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January 14, 2022, 04:16:55 PM
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Not that I ever plan to utilize any of them (I am building real software for our casino after the previous dev disappeared). But I've noticed a lot of people claiming to run gambling sites that are actually just scripts. And this is mind-blowing for me as a developer who can also write in scripting languages because a casino is way too complex to run on a bunch of scripts.

We're talking about entire websites here.

I'm interested to know your experiences with these scripts if you have ever bought one to run a casino with. Are they reliable? Do they crash frequently? Do you have to fix bugs in them often?

Note: I am not talking about gambling scripts for auto-betting. Comments about those are off-topic and will be deleted.

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January 18, 2022, 09:30:42 PM
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Having been around the crypto gambling scene since around 2012.

There were crypto based casino sites I saw that ran roulette wheels with an RNG that didn't use a unique seed for every spin of the wheel. For those who know the backend side of things, I think they know what I'm referring to.

I think there was also a post in this section where someone was selling casino and gambling websites that looked like they ran on scripts as well.

There likely are sites that run on scripts although I would guess they're less common today than they were back in 2012.
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January 19, 2022, 08:05:45 AM
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We're talking about entire websites here.
Outside of gambling, the count of all websites, my understanding Scripts can be very broadly related if interpreted, it can be said that one method (development) means that it can be classified in the form of income, realizing, reliable, achievement and so on, we often encounter scripts and are widely used by gambling sites or trading site.

Technically the script functions as an update or standardization, but the way the script only knows the site owner to change and make improvements for the continuation of the bet to make a profit, other languages ​​can also be interpreted as (programming), scripts have certain code to use.

Overall and for sure, if anyone says they have a betting script, it's a lie, the script form is confidential, no one leaks the code, except for certain site hackers, including gambling sites, even if it exists, only he knows, because that's the method of making a lot of money whether it's betting, trading and so on.

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January 23, 2022, 08:09:46 PM
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I'm interested to know your experiences with these scripts if you have ever bought one to run a casino with. Are they reliable? Do they crash frequently? Do you have to fix bugs in them often?

Note: I am not talking about gambling scripts for auto-betting. Comments about those are off-topic and will be deleted.

What exactly do you mean when you say "scripts?" What is the difference between real software and a script?

It has been my understanding that there are some programming languages called "scripting languages". For example, PHP, JavaScript and Python are all scripting languages. But that doesn't mean that serious software applications cannot be developed with them. But that does not mean that those languages cannot be used to develop serious software applications. In fact, if I am not mistaken, even Facebook is written in PHP, so there is no reason why it couldn't be used for a casino as well.

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OP, from a developer perspective... this must be a disaster, waiting to happen.  Shocked  I have friends who collectively bought a "Off-the-shelf" White Label online casino and none of them had programming experience.  Shocked

It was pitched to them as being a "ready-to-go-live" project that were industry checked and verified and licensed and all those marketing nonsense that are being pitched, but it turned out to be a f#@%$up to say the least.

You basically pay huge amounts extra for customization and you are restricted to what they offer and not necessarily what you want. If the changes that you requested was previously requested by another casino, then those changes are done quickly.. but for "new" requests.. you must be prepared to wait for months.

Now, with them not having software developer experience and skills, they get agitated very quickly and they always demand priority attention from the developers. (Willing to pay lots of money to rush their requests)  Roll Eyes

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January 24, 2022, 08:41:18 AM
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What exactly do you mean when you say "scripts?" What is the difference between real software and a script?

I mean when a casino is written and ran on a dozen or so lines of what we tend to call "traditional scripting languages".

Of course, a casino running on only a dozen or so C++ or Java files is equally as bad, because casinos are too complex to have all those safety measures in a small program like that.

Programs and scripting languages alike have the tendency to crash because of some random bug in the code, but in a real-time setting such as in a casino you can not afford any downtime because 1) you lose money by the hour and 2) your inbox gets flooded with angry support emails. It kind of strikes me, that the sites guilty of this are not taking their source of revenue seriously.

It is critical that all casinos have failover systems to restart themselves if they crash (of course, they had better be storing the casino state in a database and not in memory!) That's why serious casinos run their software (could even be just scripting files) in containers, or K8s, or even Linux daemons that restart themselves if the program crashes.

OP, from a developer perspective... this must be a disaster, waiting to happen.  Shocked  I have friends who collectively bought a "Off-the-shelf" White Label online casino and none of them had programming experience.  Shocked

It was pitched to them as being a "ready-to-go-live" project that were industry checked and verified and licensed and all those marketing nonsense that are being pitched, but it turned out to be a f#@%$up to say the least.

You basically pay huge amounts extra for customization and you are restricted to what they offer and not necessarily what you want. If the changes that you requested was previously requested by another casino, then those changes are done quickly.. but for "new" requests.. you must be prepared to wait for months.

Now, with them not having software developer experience and skills, they get agitated very quickly and they always demand priority attention from the developers. (Willing to pay lots of money to rush their requests)  Roll Eyes

Exactly. There can be a downtime for hours while you wait for an email or chat response from the people who sell such scripts - they could be anywhere in the world or maybe you could be unfortunate that it breaks down on a holiday when they are taking the day off. It would be better if they provided telephone support at perhaps an extra price.

"Lifetime support" in this case is not even guaranteed, because if the business goes down under, you are left holding the bag of code you don't even understand.

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January 24, 2022, 10:51:24 AM
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I'm not sure if my opinion has a well-founded basis, but to me, all the scripts offered through a couple of lines act as beginner projects. for example, students when it comes to doing a project are mostly lacking ideas and the most common choice is on school managing program, online shop or casino. So, why not try to sell it to someone and become a programmer...

Programs and scripting languages alike have the tendency to crash because of some random bug in the code, but in a real-time setting such as in a casino you can not afford any downtime because 1) you lose money by the hour and 2) your inbox gets flooded with angry support emails. It kind of strikes me, that the sites guilty of this are not taking their source of revenue seriously.

Don't forget loss because of bug. how many times have we seen accusations like "casino does not want to pay me"... it was later determined that there was a bug in the code and it is abused.
I think buying a script for such a sensitive job is more than a bad solution. The casino needs to have a minimum of one programmer in a full-time job.
who can provide lifetime support? Even Microsoft as a big company turning off support for their old software, what to expect from one guy or small agency.

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Well, being a developer you'll know exactly the amount of time, and effort that has to go into a product to make sure it functions as expected, and doesn't throw any sort of problems at you, and even then when you come to testing it there will be errors, and all kinds of different issues which then have to be redone, and sorted out. The thing is, most of these scripts are amateurishly done, are churned out as quick as possible, and sold to the maximum amount of people as possible often without any kind of support. This should be a red flag by itself. Their development team could probably be counted on two hands, and they claim they offer lifetime support to the tens of thousands of people they've sold this exact script too.

I wouldn't trust or use a casino that was buying scripts that have been sold by the dozen. The only scripts that come to mind is from random developers that usually don't have any real world identity, and therefore lack the support, while still claiming that there's a lifetime guarantee. There's also these white label companies, which from my experience have been nothing short of horrible to deal with. Usually, just as bad support, bad documentation, and whenever you need to make a change, which you will need to make a change if you even remotely want to have your own proper brand, and custom games you'll be charged from the nose to get it done.  

I was always taught that when you're coding you aren't just providing that code, but you should be offering support for that code too. That to me is one of the biggest drawbacks to anything, but tailor made software.

Plus, you want to be absolutely sure if your running a casino that you are handling your customers money with the absolute highest standard possible, scripts are unlikely to provide that. I'm not just talking about depositing, and withdrawing, but the issue with any bugs that could effect customers. There's also the issue with scaling, I can guarantee most scripts haven't considered scaling it if in needs to be done in the future.

You basically pay huge amounts extra for customization and you are restricted to what they offer and not necessarily what you want. If the changes that you requested was previously requested by another casino, then those changes are done quickly.. but for "new" requests.. you must be prepared to wait for months.
Exact same experience with other unrelated programs. Like I said, nowadays I look for companies that can provide not only the service I want, coded to my specifications, but the required manpower to actually offer any support whenever it's needed. Nothing worse, than looking at some code which has ditched all the principles of coding, and is just an absolute mess. Even the most seasoned programmers will find it hard to wrap their head around it if their code is messy, which probably tells you that they also will have a problem deciphering their mess.
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February 04, 2022, 10:43:46 PM
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In the past i have developed a casino with JavaScript, the right way to do it is with NodeJS and the scrips don't crash for no reason, even if it has a failure it reports it in the debug file but the site keeps running.

The complex part of this is to coordinate the backend with the frontend, because all the magic happens in the backend but the frontend should be able to verify that things are going right.

If you want to discuss this topic in private you already have my discord, I will help you if you need.

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