Who creates more impact in bitcoin price the Hodlers or Investors?

[DoublerHunter]

No difference between them IMO. Investors are also hodlers too, though they are actively engaged in trading in the markets, but they still keep some coins from the circulation similar to what hodlers do. At the end of the day, they both invested time and money on bitcoin, though the investors are somewhat more active in doing so as they keep on reinvesting profits and taking out their money whenever they have to. They are both essential to bitcoin, hodlers making sure that value is 'retained' in a way and investors making sure that the market stays fluid and working.

^ I think they are just the same, are the investors won't be a holder? I think yes, both of them are the same and that could be a holder as an investor.
If someone will hoard BTC that will have an impact on the price, as the price moves through the demand and the supply, and every time investors decided to hoard, it could have an effect on the price. However, both of them can create an impact but the majority is the holder which totally holds the supply which makes the price becomes expensive.

[Darker45]

They are all investors. Hodlers also invested in Bitcoin. Perhaps you wanted to compare those who invested and hodled their Bitcoin, or kept their Bitcoin investment for a longer time period, and those who invested for short-term profit.  

But you are probably wrong in your examples. I think both Elon Musk and Michael Saylor are not early adopters of Bitcoin. They came a bit late, only recently in fact. Moreover, they didn't use their Bitcoin profit to invest in other business ventures. It was the other way around. They both have businesses and converted some of their profit into Bitcoin.

[jackg]

Holders have much more of an immediate price impact, while investors have a distributed price impact in your example.

If you buy or mine all your coins all at once, you're going to move the order book quite a bit (especially if you're old enough to have amassed a decent amount of money). Conversely, investors might do things like dcaing and buying crypto as it drops so they have more of a hedging/balancing effect on the market.

It was never strictly the fact that:

hodler = one lump sum purchase
investor = multiple buys or DCA

Let's not forget that a hodler is just broadly someone who holds bitcoin. Not a group of people with a strict buy strategy.

I normally assume hodlers are people who buy bitcoin for a price that means any newer buys after a certain time barely make an impact in their portfolio.

If you imagine someone putting $15k into bitcoin and getting 100 in 2015 and kept holding until now, that'd be a (potentially extreme) case of someone I'd consider a hodler.

There are definitely going to be gray areas between everything though and there might be a reason some people continue to invest in bitcoin (as apposed to just taking profits if someone did hodl something near that).

Many of the players, from investors to first time buyers, that are buying at this stage don't hold long term. It's when the price of bitcoin starts to climb that the majority of the holders come back in. Once it starts to become mainstream they tend to buy. As the hype wears off a lot of the investors go back to their day jobs. 

Yeah, a lot of this is due to market unknowns and complexes with individual retail traders to exclusively be happy with profits and accept little else - there was a discussion I remember from a while ago about trying to get exchanges of actual risk of crypto investments.

[OrangeII]

well, investors and holders both hold bitcoin. who holds the most bitcoins, then that will have an impact. but, I think, they are the same thing. the holders hold the coins they have as a form of investment. Yeah, that's what I understand. if you ask who has more impact, then both of them have the same impact depending on the number of bitcoins they have. holders holding 1000 bitcoins and investors holding 1000 bitcoins both have the same effect.

[Obito]

For me it's the investors, they're the one that has more impact than hodlers because they make the market move by buying and selling their bitcoin and they influence other onlookers into considering to invest. But that's not to say that hodlers don't have an impact too, hodlers are the reason why the prices go up to and raise the price plateau by withholding bitcoins and preventing from being reintroduced to the total circulating supply.

[BitcoinAccepted]

I personally think that holders and investors both create impact in the price of Bitcoin, especially in the sense that users can be the both actors in the market. But with the question of who create MORE impact, I think that would depend on the volume that holders or investors have on their hands, and how much do they sell, that makes the market move significantly. Nonetheless, collective amount of bitcoin acquired by both is surely huge, and regardless of the volume, I believe that they do both create impact in the market in their own ways.

[pooya87]

HODLER is a meme not an actual category and it is the same as an investor. They have the same impact on bitcoin price and it is small. The main impact is from day traders who are actively participating in the market and have orders on major centralized exchanges such as Coinbase, Kraken, Bitstamp and Bitfinex. Otherwise anyone else who is not participating in the market (ie. holder/investor) aren't placing orders to change the force against the direction price is going. For example no resistance against dropping or rising with buy orders or sell orders respectively.

[tulusikhlas]

Who has more impact on the price of bitcoin holders or investors? First of all let me say that both have an equally important role in bitcoin price movement. Actually the holder is also an investor, but maybe there is a slight difference there, that's why you use the word "holder".
For the most part I think investors are holding back, because they are selling/buying more.

[Rufsilf]

No difference between them IMO. Investors are also hodlers too, though they are actively engaged in trading in the markets, but they still keep some coins from the circulation similar to what hodlers do. At the end of the day, they both invested time and money on bitcoin, though the investors are somewhat more active in doing so as they keep on reinvesting profits and taking out their money whenever they have to. They are both essential to bitcoin, hodlers making sure that value is 'retained' in a way and investors making sure that the market stays fluid and working.

^ I think they are just the same, are the investors won't be a holder? I think yes, both of them are the same and that could be a holder as an investor.
If someone will hoard BTC that will have an impact on the price, as the price moves through the demand and the supply, and every time investors decided to hoard, it could have an effect on the price. However, both of them can create an impact but the majority is the holder which totally holds the supply which makes the price becomes expensive.

Correct! You can't be a hodler if you didn't invest on it in the first place, so every investor is also a holder and vice versa. No matter how much you invest or hold, you're still get to be called by both names. And about impact? Well both players and there's no greater than one another. Investing and holding on the same time creates an effect or impact that can move the value of bitcoin as the supply and demand increases day after day.

[lixer]

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
         The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

Actually there is no difference between those who you call investors and those that you called the hodlers. They are both the same, and it is all investment, whether you decide to hold it for a long time or just for a short time. When it comes to investment, there are short term investments and long term investments, so it’s all about the investor and how long they can be able to have patience. And both of them can make impact in the market.

There’s always money that is still going in and out of the market, and it doesn’t matter whether it is coming from someone that is investing for a long term or short term.

[TheNineClub]

If you differentiate them like that, then I would say Investors have more impact due to them having more assets to invest in the first place and my personal belief that most of the early holders are in fact not holding anymore. However, in the grand scheme of things, both equate to the same percentage of impact more or less. It all boils down to me believing that in the long run, both of those are the same, as those same investors will in fact hodl because that's how it's been done for years with investing in stocks, bonds so on, and so forth. So both of them do impact, but it's hard to say how much.

[Ararbermas]

I think it should be holders because without them bitcoin will collapse..i know mostly whales are investors but of course there's a whales as well that holding bitcoin and keep adding more when there's a fluctuation reason bitcoin always recover and break all time high. So for me no doubts that holders has a big contribution than investor although both of the can give an impact but holders are the strong one on both side.

[Wexnident]

Aren't they the same? Hodlers are a type of investor, no matter what you say. I'd actually think that the more active day traders would be the ones creating the most impact on the market since they're the ones doing the movement on an everyday basis. Investors/Hodlers are people who simply hodl the coin and wait, they invest big so the returns would be rather big as well. Still though, I'd consider day traders as a type of investor as well so that might be wording it just wrong, might be better to take them as hodlers instead of adding investors to the mix.

[LogitechMouse]

TBH, its really hard to know which has more impact with the Bitcoin price.
Hodlers can also be investors and investors can also be hodlers.

Hodlers are affecting the price by holding some Bitcoins reducing the supply and when the demand is increasing or at least the same then price will increase. Investors on the other hand affects the price by buying and selling Bitcoin.

[Mpamaegbu]

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date

I don't think that definition is necessarily correct. We've hodlers who didn't start hodling from the genesis of Bitcoin.

On the question you raised in the title, investors create more impact in Bitcoin price than hodlers. We should remember that Bitcoin didn't have any value from creation even when Satoshi hedl some of it. It wasn't until the 10,000btc for pizzas happened that price value was bestowed on it. Hodling an asset without taking it to the market denies it of its value. Let's look at it this way, if everyone decides to hodl their Bitcoin without selling at all, you think price will spike? Nah! It won't. Instead it will cause the coin to flop. Interested investors and traders will simply move away from it in loss of interest.

[MIner1448]

It’s just such investors as Elon Musk who have the maximum influence on the position of the cryptocurrency market, because we all remember his originally written tweets, when Bitcoin immediately went up, and he wrote this for his own benefit, in principle he did the right thing, earns on his name and brand.

[GeorgeJohn]

Investors - buy - price go up on demand.

Investors - buy - the price goes up on demand-  hold - the price fluctuation occurs.

The above scenario keeps happening in the market and causes price fluctuations. The supply and demand process will always influence the price of bitcoin and we don't really believe who has the biggest impact on the market. A holder is someone who has bought and kept an asset, without trading activity they would not affect the market at least they don't get the market down by big sellers.

Of course it's very obvious that fluctuations of cryptocurrencies generally and importantly Bitcoin, the values of it price comes to acceleration through the gravitation of demands and supply, which we known openly that bitcoin surplus demands with insufficient supply, the ends product of it, is increment in bitcoin price.

So from the point...who is the investor and who is the holder? Am investor can be the demand and also be holder at a time, we are contradictory everything, if we peruse into these very well and read meaning into it, both above names is involved into bitcoin price skyrocket and they are one.

[Taskford]

TBH, its really hard to know which has more impact with the Bitcoin price.
Hodlers can also be investors and investors can also be hodlers.

Hodlers are affecting the price by holding some Bitcoins reducing the supply and when the demand is increasing or at least the same then price will increase. Investors on the other hand affects the price by buying and selling Bitcoin.

Both of those choices are still investors and its just they have different methods on how they take actions towards on what they bought and we can say that both of them is important since hodler is adding the demand but doesn't contribute with the dumping happened and also the short term investors can also add the demand but in short term basis only. But any if this we cannot say someone do better or not since at the end for sure both of them is a lucky earner.

[qwertyup23]

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
         The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

I doubt that there is a difference between HODLERS and INVESTORS.

In the former, you may also call them as investors since they prefer to HODL their BTCs until a desirable price has been reached (which is purely dependent upon them). On the other hand, investors are the ones who purchase BTCs either for short or long-term gain. Generally speaking, there is little-to-no difference between the two. The small gap that they may differ is that investors may prefer to trade their BTCs depending on the price.

[Zilon]

What's the motive of investing is it not to hold I guess so which means both are the same sets of market players just that the entered the market at different time interval but the do the same thing to the price of Bitcoin. I was thinking you would rather ask between investors and influencers who moves the price more or better still you could still ask between minial investors and whales who move the market more