Who creates more impact in bitcoin price the Hodlers or Investors?

[Accardo]

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
         The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

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[mk4]

What's the difference? Both set of people are both "hodlers" and investors at the same time. The only small difference is that investors sometimes sell; maybe to re-balance his/her portfolio when he/she ends up being over-exposed with BTC. But you could also say the same with "hodlers", whereas they may sell when they suddenly need extra money.

In summary: no category is better than the other, knowing that not every hodler and not every investor is the same, and it's pretty much a 90-95% overlap.

[BIT-BENDER]

It depends on the type of impact that could be created, in my own opinion the holders create a positive impact on Bitcoin, while the investors I would divide the into short term, panickers and long term, short term creates a negative impact but it minimal compared to those panickers they are the inexperienced ones, but the long term are preferably ok, so in general I would say investors creates more impact on Bitcoin it terms of positive and negative impact.

[Drnice]

I will say that the investors are people who has made some good funds and profits from their business and found out with some reasons that if they invest in Bitcoin and hold, there will be price appreciation and which will make more profits for them. With observation, investors are more interested in business that has more chances of making more profits than losses. For the hodlers, this is mostly by participating in the tasks that pays in Bitcoin, and hold for the long term to see appreciation. Well, the two parties aim for one thing, making of profits is the major aim, and when there is profit, they will both takeout profit, for the investors, to balance up their investment capital, while the hodlers take out profits for extra cash at hand.

[hatshepsut93]

The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

Musk and Saylor didn't become rich by being early Bitcoin adopters. "Hodler" is just a meme way of saying "long-term Bitcoin investor". Saylor swears that he will hold his coins forever, so he might qualify as one. Musk did dump a portion of the coins rather shortly, but AFAIK still holds the majority of them. He probably could also be called a "hodler" even if he's not a bitcoin permabull.

[jackg]

Holders have much more of an immediate price impact, while investors have a distributed price impact in your example.

If you buy or mine all your coins all at once, you're going to move the order book quite a bit (especially if you're old enough to have amassed a decent amount of money). Conversely, investors might do things like dcaing and buying crypto as it drops so they have more of a hedging/balancing effect on the market.

[teosanru]

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
         The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

I think it doesn't matter who are you, what matters is the holding you have. The size of your holding makes you a whale and these whales combine their holdings and then make even more powerful moves in the market. These are the people who actually effect the price. A person who is just holding from the very start and has never sold will obviously not have any effect on the price directly but yes in a longer run these are the people creating scarcity of this resource so they just effect overall valuation of bitcoin, while investors and whales determine price movements and cycles.

[mk4]

Holders have much more of an immediate price impact, while investors have a distributed price impact in your example.

If you buy or mine all your coins all at once, you're going to move the order book quite a bit (especially if you're old enough to have amassed a decent amount of money). Conversely, investors might do things like dcaing and buying crypto as it drops so they have more of a hedging/balancing effect on the market.

It was never strictly the fact that:

hodler = one lump sum purchase
investor = multiple buys or DCA

Let's not forget that a hodler is just broadly someone who holds bitcoin. Not a group of people with a strict buy strategy.

[dataispower]

You are putting yourself into confusion, because their is no difference between the hodlers and the investors, if you understand what is hodlers and investor it will be very simple for you to differentiate them with common sense, mate both are the same thing, and is the same function bith pertake in bitcoin, a hodler is an investor because is hodling it for it to have profit, we are not making any differentiation about them usual

[adzino]

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
         The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

Both, holders and investors creates an impact in the price equally but in a different way. You definition of hodler seems to be wrong. Anyone that buys and holds for long term are hodlers. All hodlers are investors. I guess what you meant over here is traders instead of hodlers. Traders buy and sell frequently to make profit. Traders have an impact on the price more. When most traders decide to sell, the price starts to crash within a short time. On other hand if most traders decide to buy, the price goes up. So traders can create price volatility. Hodlers on other hand impacts the price in the long run and the impact is usually short. Like suppose a long term whale hodler decided to sell his bag. This will cause the price to crash, but they usually recover soon. Small hodlers have little to no impact on the price.

[franky1]

tl:dr;
in short. mining costs and cost of acquisition has more of an impact than the 19m coins in circulation being hoarded.
but ultimately its the active day trader actually making the orders that impacts the price the most. because they are the ones setting the price.
the waffle explanation:
the bitcoin exchange market price is not affected by:
- the 19million coins in circulation (hoarded on keys).
- the 1-2mill coins deposited onto exchange hot/cold wallets.

bitcoins price is affected by active and just 'taken' marker orders on the market order book
EG independent cold store hoarders or those using an exchange as a hotwallet custodian, but not buying/selling. do not affect the price. because they are not buying/selling to set the price

as for those with market orders. its not a simple supply/demand.
this is because although in 2012 bitcoin had ~11mill coins in circulation and MTgox had many millions of coin alone
mtgox orderbooks were 10-1000 coin per order.

now in 2022. where there is 19mill coins in circulation(more general supply) market order lines are more like 0.001-1

what you find is that when there is less bunches of dollar. EG people are only offering $43 for 0.001 its not like the sellers are going to 'wall' the market with 10-1000 btc orders that never fill to move the price.
instead the sellers also depreciate how much they put in at any order line by also going down to 0.001 to match the demand

so its not a simple supply demand. its actually several layers of psychology changing whats deemed as supply.demand
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that said only those making market orders affect the price. no one else

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to add another aspect to this.
what people think is fair VALUE of a range thats ok to trade between. is more of a less refined and slight speculative range.
for instance in iceland/russia they value bitcoin at $30k because they can mine it for that. america values it at $40k. and japan values it at $70k

so japan think the bitcoin price is undervalued(super cheap) because they cant even mine it for less than $70k
so iceland think the bitcoin price is overvalued(premium) because they CAN even mine it for less

as hashrate and mining costs increase. this impacts the value range people are willing to trade between

in short. mining costs and cost of acquisition has more of an impact than the 19m coins in circulation being hoarded.
but ultimately its the active day trader actually making the orders that impacts the price the most. because they are the ones setting the price.

Like suppose a long term whale hodler decided to sell his bag. This will cause the price to crash, but they usually recover soon. Small hodlers have little to no impact on the price.

well technically they are no longer hoarders..
hoarders dont sell. thats what makes them hoarders

[Fortify]

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
         The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

It sounds like somebody who doesn't know much about business trying to describe things. The word you are looking for is "adopters" not abductors, which means something totally different. First off, for all the people who claim to be "hodlers" the average person has a life to live and they need access to funds, so unless they were here before the last couple years then chances are they have only doubled or maybe quadrupled their starting capital - so they either had a lot to start with and got richer, or they changed a small amount into something not much bigger. To people like Elon, cryptocurrency is just a toy, another way for them to play with their followers for giggles and it is irrelevant to their wealth. Due to the amount of followers they have, sometimes like we see with Dogecoin, they can induce lots of buyers but the interest is usually fleeting.

[Synchronice]

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
         The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

Are there still early abductor hodlers? I can't imagine a person that bought, mined or collected bitcoins at an early stage and hasn't still sold them, if there are any, then great!
By the way, they have their place in crypto world. They hold Bitcoin, a currency that is in high demand and the demand on it increases every time, it's like a treasure that some people have but everyone wants. So, some people trade with this treasure, some hold it tightly. I think the number of hodlers  increases every as time goes, so is the demand, more and more people want this Treasure (aka bitcoin) but less and less people trade it for sell. But when someone sells, usually, the buyer is a new holder, so, yes, this is a magic net.

I wouldn't dedicate investors from hodlers because hodlers themselves are investors and so is the opposite. But the OP forgets one important factor: There are people who just use it for daily payments and these people buy bitcoin according to the market price, they don't care whether it is $50,000 or $500 because they just want to send it, receive it and get equivalent in USD at the end of the day. These people can somehow push the price higher if there are many slightly increased sell orders and the demand on daily bitcoin transactions are high.

[dunfida]

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
         The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

Frankly speaking, the most basis on where value is been determined is on through exchange platforms on how much coins been purchased or bought or how much had been sell off and this is where
we do really vary up.

Holders/investors/active traders/long term ones , it wouldnt matter yet it does contribute the over all value which we are seeing now.Liquidity or volume is the proof of that.

Thing here whats important is that we do able to see that there's some progress with these movement differences.

[BITCOIN4X]

Investors - buy - price go up on demand.

Investors - buy - the price goes up on demand-  hold - the price fluctuation occurs.

The above scenario keeps happening in the market and causes price fluctuations. The supply and demand process will always influence the price of bitcoin and we don't really believe who has the biggest impact on the market. A holder is someone who has bought and kept an asset, without trading activity they would not affect the market at least they don't get the market down by big sellers.

I think the stipulation is not on what category they are in this space (holders or investors) but on how they operate in the market. This means that trading activity is what makes the market the most influential, not investors or holders.

[stadus]

The two main factors of bitcoin market hodlers and the investors sometimes I query myself about how much impact they have made in the price of bitcoin.

Note: The hodlers are early abductors of bitcoin that held their funds till date
         The investors are the early abductors that sold and invested into their business then later invested their profits into bitcoin. E.g Michael Saylor or Elon Musk.

Both, holders and investors creates an impact in the price equally but in a different way. You definition of hodler seems to be wrong. Anyone that buys and holds for long term are hodlers. All hodlers are investors. I guess what you meant over here is traders instead of hodlers. Traders buy and sell frequently to make profit. Traders have an impact on the price more. When most traders decide to sell, the price starts to crash within a short time. On other hand if most traders decide to buy, the price goes up. So traders can create price volatility. Hodlers on other hand impacts the price in the long run and the impact is usually short. Like suppose a long term whale hodler decided to sell his bag. This will cause the price to crash, but they usually recover soon. Small hodlers have little to no impact on the price.

I agree on you. Bitcoin price depends much both from hodlers and investors. And if we zoom it out, hodlers won't be hodling their coins if they have not invested in the first place. So they are investors and hodlers at the same time, and they both control the price of bitcoin.

However, long tern hodlers does not create more price movements as they are only waiting for the right price to sell, but traders on the other hand have more frequent activities like buying and selling more often, so i agree that they give more impact on the price of bitcoin compared to long term hodlers.

[livingfree]

What if I can be a holder and an investor at the same time with that description?

The best factor that gives more impact to the price of bitcoin is the usual, supply and demand. Whether you're a holder, an investor, a trader or a speculator.

As long as supply and demand moves, that's how it's affected and changing.

[FatFork]

Many of the players, from investors to first time buyers, that are buying at this stage don't hold long term. It's when the price of bitcoin starts to climb that the majority of the holders come back in. Once it starts to become mainstream they tend to buy. As the hype wears off a lot of the investors go back to their day jobs. 

[romero121]

There is no big difference between the holders and the investors when we talk about the cryptocurrency. But in real-time an share holder is a individual/corporation that hold atleast a single share/stocks/asset/coins. An investor is a person/corporation that puts money to grow the business. Both have got different meaning, but the ultimate outcome expected is profit.

With bitcoin price both have equal contribution, and the investors have little above the holders. Because just on holding the market won't progress unless there happens something. This is achieved through investment which paves way for widening of the market.

[dothebeats]

No difference between them IMO. Investors are also hodlers too, though they are actively engaged in trading in the markets, but they still keep some coins from the circulation similar to what hodlers do. At the end of the day, they both invested time and money on bitcoin, though the investors are somewhat more active in doing so as they keep on reinvesting profits and taking out their money whenever they have to. They are both essential to bitcoin, hodlers making sure that value is 'retained' in a way and investors making sure that the market stays fluid and working.