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January 17, 2022, 01:23:37 PM
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I want to ask this question, are humans the superior forever?

The scientists believed in evolution. From the creation of the Galaxy that led to the creation of Earth. Organisms evoled from the primitives ones like dinosaur which are no more existing, to fish, to amphibians, to reptiles, to birds and then to humans.

According to the scientists, the Earth has been exiting billions of years ago, organisms has been traced to be existing from many millions of years ago, dinosaurs are no more million of years ago before humans evolved.

There will be millions years to come.

If evolution is true, is it possible that after humans have been created now, there will be another creature superior to him humans, the evolution of another being.

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January 17, 2022, 10:12:23 PM
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There is no such concept in evolution as "superiority." Saying that one species is superior to another ignores the fact that both have adapted to their respective evolutionary niches. A hammer might be better at hammering nails than a shoelace, but this does not make it the objectively superior object.

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January 17, 2022, 11:56:19 PM
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I think you might be referring to "Transhumanism" where especially the study by Ray Kurzwell where humans merge with machines to live forever.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cognitiveworld/2018/10/01/human-2-0-is-coming-faster-than-you-think-will-you-evolve-with-the-times/?sh=786c3404284f

Or do they are the machines are mere puppets of the human essence that once existed as everyone dies and no one lives forever. I'm sure there will be life-extension treatments that could make you live until 200 but other than that you die as well.

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January 18, 2022, 11:42:01 PM
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If evolution is true, is it possible that after humans have been created now, there will be another creature superior to him humans, the evolution of another being.
evolution is slow and unnoticable for those going through it.. but thousands of years later, history can look back and see the differences and changes.


what we will see is over decades and centuries. the grammar, pronoun groups will develop new words for people. EG it might be 'millenials'(joke example) as the replacement of 'humans' for people after the year 2000

and in thousands of years we will be describing the evolution of
Neanderthals (-xmilion to -200,000BC)-Homo neanderthalensis
humans(-200,000BC to 2000AD)-Homo sapians
millennials (200AD+)-Homo entitledlaziness

we all are changing all the time. just very minimally with each generation.
EG thousands of years ago, there were distinct tribes/races.. but now we are merging into being blended where everyone has a mix in them.

in the future it would be a single 'race' of mixed colour.. i just hope the civility of the future evolved people wont be acting like todays millennial generation..

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January 19, 2022, 07:26:59 AM
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what is superior?  maybe humans are the most perfect creation, so humans can adapt to the environment or the upcoming era of evolution with another answer humans are the most perfect creatures in the world can follow, adapt in their own ways even before the modern era like this hundreds of years ago humans had many  knowledgeable.
I am not talking about adaptation and I am not saying humans are not the most perfect, it is true that humans are the superior, but there were existing creatures before the evolution of humans, this make me to be thinking it is possible another creature may evolve later in many years that can be more than millions of years. It is just an assumption.

in the future it would be a single 'race' of mixed colour.. i just hope the civility of the future evolved people wont be acting like todays millennial generation..
This would have been easy if the world is led by one person like the world president or world emperor. The country barrier will make this not to be possible. The country is what is causing great distinction in races.

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January 19, 2022, 08:35:50 AM
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If evolution is true
Evolution is true; the evidence for this is utterly overwhelming.


is it possible that after humans have been created now, there will be another creature superior to him humans, the evolution of another being.
If you are talking about the evolution of greater intelligence, then we are probably a few thousand years past the maximum point of 'natural' average human intelligence. Arguably this happened at some point in the neolithic. But human knowledge builds upon the knowledge obtained in the past, and so our technology continues to advance. Increases in intelligence from now will probably be through technological means, whether that's inserting electronics into our heads, or genetic engineering. But the time of increases in human intelligence through 'natural' means is over, as technological changes are orders of magnitude faster. And we can surmise this would be true of any species that achieved our level of technology.






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January 19, 2022, 04:40:42 PM
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Human beings are the most dangerous animals on earth, and are their own worst enemy.
The sooner human beings reach extinction, the better for all other forms of life on the planet.
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January 19, 2022, 06:21:44 PM
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Evolution is real but there is some circumstance where evolution is not valid and to get to the bottom of this we need more than the scientists knowledge (because only the Person that creates the earth and the things that abide in it tell us the fact) because some aspect of their understanding about the earth and human creation can be misleading.
Back to the question, are humans superior forever? Yes, because they are created in God's image and also given the authority to dominate the earth. This is the reason why satan was jealous.

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January 19, 2022, 09:28:48 PM
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Humans aren't suppose to evolve unless there's a mechanism, perhaps a catotrosphic event, which forces people to compete with limited resources. Then, there's selection for particular traits based on those who survive and reproduce, ie - people physically unable to compete for resources, or not smart enough, would not reproduce, and there genes would not become part of the gene pool. Evolution is true, but evolution is no match for the first world we enjoy living in. I'd say on a macro scale humans are devolving physically.

Imagine if the grocery stores went empty today, would it be possible for modern day humans to adapt to any resemblance of hunter/gather type living? We are too accustomed to our current lifestyle, supplemented by technology. That's the same reason why there would never be an organism to evolve further than humans. Humans would just use technology to destroy anything that becomes a threat (after all, we compete for the same resources).
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January 20, 2022, 08:48:59 AM
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If you are talking about the evolution of greater intelligence, then we are probably a few thousand years past the maximum point of 'natural' average human intelligence. Arguably this happened at some point in the neolithic. But human knowledge builds upon the knowledge obtained in the past, and so our technology continues to advance. Increases in intelligence from now will probably be through technological means, whether that's inserting electronics into our heads, or genetic engineering. But the time of increases in human intelligence through 'natural' means is over, as technological changes are orders of magnitude faster. And we can surmise this would be true of any species that achieved our level of technology.
Yes, this is what I am talking about, evolution of beings that are super intelligent compared to humans of today, may be from human or the evolution of another being entirely different from human but I am talking specifically about evolution of beings different from humans but more intelligent.

Human beings are the most dangerous animals on earth, and are their own worst enemy.
The sooner human beings reach extinction, the better for all other forms of life on the planet.
Why? Humans are the superior, it is all about the survival of the fittest. What I just know is that some animal supposed to have vanished but humans are making effort they are still existing. Life is wicked generally, a wild animal like lion, leopard, jaguar, crocodile, python and anaconda will not hesitate to kill a human if they have the the opportunity. Life is about survivability and humans are intelligent to survive.

Evolution is real but there is some circumstance where evolution is not valid and to get to the bottom of this we need more than the scientists knowledge (because only the Person that creates the earth and the things that abide in it tell us the fact) because some aspect of their understanding about the earth and human creation can be misleading.
Back to the question, are humans superior forever? Yes, because they are created in God's image and also given the authority to dominate the earth. This is the reason why satan was jealous.
Okay, let us agree that God created the world, their are many organisms that have been existing before the creation of humans, is God planing to create other being more superior to man. Evolution can take millions of years. Let us get back to the same question  Grin

That's the same reason why there would never be an organism to evolve further than humans. Humans would just use technology to destroy anything that becomes a threat (after all, we compete for the same resources).
Let us assume so.

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January 20, 2022, 10:12:43 AM
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Talking about the existence of human, human beings are a unique life form that was created by Allah in a special way. Their are no other creations after humans and humans are the superior being Allah created. Allah as given human the superiority over other creation and it naive to think there will be another creation more superior than we humans.
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January 20, 2022, 12:29:29 PM
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Human beings is above other creation's biblically, so through your question i agreed that human being is superior forever, other people like pure scientist or scholar's will have scientific evidence to prove, but i know that the super natural being handle over authority to human creatures to control and dominate other creation's, so therefore we don't have to over emphasised and over flog the discussion because the comparison and deliberation of these can raise another argument
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January 20, 2022, 12:43:32 PM
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Evolution is real but there is some circumstance where evolution is not valid and to get to the bottom of this we need more than the scientists knowledge (because only the Person that creates the earth and the things that abide in it tell us the fact)

This statement seems self-contradictory. I understand that some people reject evolution because they believe in a religious creation... but I don't see how you can sit halfway and say evolution is true, but there is also a creator... it's an either/or question, surely?

If evolution is real (which it is), then the 'tree of life' diagram below is valid. Or is your position that God created a bacterium ~3b years ago, and then sat back and watched everything evolve from that origin? Not trying to be confrontational, just trying to understand how someone can reconcile the two viewpoints.


https://i0.wp.com/flowingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/tree-of-life_2000.png?w=2000&ssl=1
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January 21, 2022, 06:54:17 AM
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Evolution is real but there is some circumstance where evolution is not valid and to get to the bottom of this we need more than the scientists knowledge (because only the Person that creates the earth and the things that abide in it tell us the fact)

This statement seems self-contradictory. I understand that some people reject evolution because they believe in a religious creation... but I don't see how you can sit halfway and say evolution is true, but there is also a creator... it's an either/or question, surely?
If I will not be bias I will discuss this in the way I think it can answer your question.

What is evolution? If I will use a layman mening, evolution is the process by which organisms evolve from the primitive to the advanced. Even it can also means the process each organisms have changed in primitive structure and intelligence to an advanced ones.

According to scientists, they have different theorems and they are based on previous proved believes (research) which can be right or wrong but right based on proved believes or accepted research. That is why different scientists comes up with different theorems about evolution.

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suzanne5223 can be a Christian or Muslim or any other religions that believe in God, but his level of education and understand knows that organisms did not come to earth just like that, that they were created but through the act of evolution by God. I think that is what he is saying.

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January 21, 2022, 08:54:13 AM
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I don't know how true about evolution if man was a lower animal and as time goes man transformed to be the way they are now I don't really know about it because I was not in the world then to confirm it. But right now I know human are superior their won't be any change the way man his in years to come.

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What is evolution? If I will use a layman mening, evolution is the process by which organisms evolve from the primitive to the advanced. Even it can also means the process each organisms have changed in primitive structure and intelligence to an advanced ones.

I don't think this is the case. Evolution doesn't have a direction. It's a result of the combination of mutations (which are random) and selection pressures that favour some mutations over others. There's no inherent tendency towards complexity. If you think about, most of the life on Earth is quite simple. There are complex life-forms, but they're not the majority.

It might also be interesting to consider something like sharks. They became apex predators in their environment hundreds of millions of years ago, and although they are still changing, they just don't have that selection pressure to push them a certain way. They are very good at what they do, and live in a (relatively) unchanging environment. For large animals, they are comparatively simple. And there is nothing pushing them towards greater complexity. In this situation, where something is already close to a best-fit for the conditions, then almost every mutation will be disadvantageous*, and so will be selected out, such that sharks persist much as they already are.



*Simplifying somewhat. Of course they wouldn't all be disadvantageous, many mutations could also be 'neither beneficial nor detrimental' in themselves, but cumulatively, over time, they're still more like to be disadvantageous rather than advantageous.


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January 21, 2022, 03:16:30 PM
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Evolution is real but there is some circumstance where evolution is not valid and to get to the bottom of this we need more than the scientists knowledge (because only the Person that creates the earth and the things that abide in it tell us the fact) because some aspect of their understanding about the earth and human creation can be misleading. 
Back to the question, are humans superior forever? Yes, because they are created in God's image and also given the authority to dominate the earth. This is the reason why satan was jealous.
Okay, let us agree that God created the world, their are many organisms that have been existing before the creation of humans, is God planing to create other being more superior to man. Evolution can take millions of years. Let us get back to the same question  Grin
According to the scripture, no because He created man in His image and His likeness. This means He created something like a small god to rule and subdue everything on earth.
Meanwhile, if another evolution will happen it will or maybe through human errors just like we see different diseases that come out of the blue.

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just like we see different diseases that come out of the blue.

Viruses don't come out of nowhere. They are subject to mutations and selection pressures along with everything else. They may appear to come from nowhere, as with the Covid variants... but actually this is simply a consequence of viral reproduction being so much quicker than, say, human reproduction. Viral evolution occurs phenomenally quickly.






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Human is The best in the universe and the best of all creatures for millions of years. He has five senses and the sense to understand, read & write, speak and express his feeling, happiness, and woes.
Not any other creature has been blessed with such graces. He can do good deeds, help others. He has the quality of noble character and good morality. So God has blessed him this stau that he is superior.No other creature can not take his status and position without God's command.

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Meanwhile, if another evolution will happen it will or maybe through human errors just like we see different diseases that come out of the blue.
What I like about religion is that believers believe if anything bad happened, it is because of the sinful ways of men, but if sin persists but everything going good, they will not link it to anything. When Covid started, there will be many believers that said it is the sinful way of men that caused it but which seem as a natural occurrence to scientists.

How about death and pain, may be there will be a time the world will evolve into an era beings will not die and no pian will exists which will be through evolution.

Well, anyone can be wrong, just my assumptions.

Human is The best in the universe and the best of all creatures for millions of years. He has five senses and the sense to understand, read & write, speak and express his feeling, happiness, and woes.
Not any other creature has been blessed with such graces. He can do good deeds, help others. He has the quality of noble character and good morality. So God has blessed him this stau that he is superior.No other creature can not take his status and position without God's command.
But humans are not able to use their sixth sense, the sense in humans are greater and better than those of animals while in animals are not the same but different from animal to animal. But the sixth sense is not well developed.

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