What outsiders know or say about Bitcointalk.

[uchegod-21]

After I made this post Test your forum knowledge People did not contribute much because I did not do it well. I did not put the questions in objective form. So I was determined to make research. I decided to start from outside the forum to know what people outside the forum say or know about the forum. I separate different websites and outline the important things they said about this forum. I tried to put some important things they said in quote so that we can note them. I also ask questions in red colour anywhere I was confused.
Coinmarketcap.com
1. It did not recognise Bitcointalk as the largest Bitcoin Forum.

What Is Bitcointalk?

Today, Bitcointalk is one of the largest online forums where people can ask questions and discuss topics related to Bitcoin, blockchain technology and cryptocurrency in general. The forum was created by the infamous inventor of Bitcoin itself — Satoshi Nakamoto, in November 2009.

2. It did not recognise Bitcointalk as the oldest Bitcoin Forum.

Bitcointalk is one of the most important resources for people interested in learning more about crypto, consensus mechanisms, mining and blockchain technology. As one of the oldest forums for crypto talk, it has the richest library of topics and discussions.

3. However it recognised Bitcointalk as the most popular online Bitcoin Forum.

Bitcointalk is the most popular online forum dedicated to Bitcoin, cryptocurrency and blockchain technology.

4. It said that Satoshi lost the first forum which he was using a to post about bitcoin development.  A SourceForge forum.  That Sirius (could it be this Cyrus) provided hosting for the present day Bitcointalk we know.

The story behind Bitcointalk is almost as mysterious as the one behind Bitcoin itself. Initially, Satoshi Nakamoto was using a SourceForge forum to post about Bitcoin and discuss the technology. However, this forum is now lost. In order to provide a space for such discussions to continue thriving, user Sirius provided hosting for a new forum where Satoshi could continue posting. However, as Nakamoto gradually withdrew from the public space, Sirius decided to move the forum to its present address and announce it is a strictly unofficial Bitcoin discussion forum.

5.  It also said that the diversity of languages in Bitcointalk is one of the reason it became so large.

One of the reasons why Bitcointalk became so big is the diversity of languages supported on the forum. Anyone can start a thread in any language, which has attracted users from all over the world

Wikipedia(Campus afrika.com)
1. They have a decent definition of bitcointalk.

Bitcointalk is an Internet forum dedicated to the discussion of bitcoin, blockchain technology and cryptocurrency. The forum was initially created by Satoshi Nakamoto, the pseudonymous inventor of Bitcoin on Nov 22, 2009.

2. It said that the first Bitcoin transaction happened in this forum, which is the popular 10,000 Bitcoin for pizza.
I searched for this thread.
Pizza for bitcoins?
Is this actually the first bitcoin transaction?

3. It said that the cryptocurrency slang HODL originated from this forum.

The commonly used cryptocurrency-trader meme "HODL" originated from a 2013 bitcointalk forum post.

Could it be this thread?
I AM HODLING
4. It raised the concern about scam and said that traded accounts are used to scam people.

A 2016 study by researchers from the University of New Mexico, and University of Tulsa, Oklahoma identified 1780 scams, based on forum reports. There is a demand for more privileges for older user accounts. Traded accounts were reportedly used to scam people

Meet bunch.com
1. It says that most ICOs promotes their projects here. That bitcointalk is ethereum first announcement platform. (happy and wonderful to me that I discovered this)

As a crypto community, here is where most ICOs promote their projects and start building their communities. For example, Bitcointalk is Ethereum’s first announcement platform.

2. It describes the forum very well. It talked about merit, activity, trust, spam reduction, signature and bounty campaign, evil fees, copper membership, ANN threads and more.

3. It said something about the importance and dangers of seed account but I don't understand what seed account means even after the explanation below.help

Seed accounts are double-edged swords that can give great competitive advantages but with some headaches. These are also commonly used in the online marketing space in generating initial momentum when launching a campaign to trigger virality that will later be sustained by organic growth. This is also similar to "fake accounts." The benefit of having seed accounts in Bitcointalk ANN thread is the retention of the ANN thread on the first page of the forum. Having a constant pump of the thread would help the ICO announcement reach more audience in the community and keep it trending. If the thread has more views and comments, it will attract more audience in which Jr. members, Members, and Full members can comment to increase the visibility of the ANN thread. Having seed accounts is an effective way of being proactive in the community and thus, triggers discussions to keep the thread in the spotlight.

The risk of using seed accounts is the possibility of getting banned from the forum for the accusation of excessive spamming or bumping of the thread to keep it on page one, but having a legitimate dialogue among other users using the seed accounts will keep the thread active and visible. Using a seed account is a growth hacking activity that requires cautious execution of plans to avoid the possibility of getting banned from the forum of the entire project’s thread.

Exposing the usage of seed accounts to the public may cause some harm in your reputation. But hey, you’ll be surprised by the number of crypto projects employing this kind of strategy. With the right moderation, getting completely banned will be avoided.

4. In conclusion it agrees that bitcointalk is the oldest forum and that it is still reputable till date.

Bitcointalk is one of the pioneer crypto communities that launch ICOs and crypto-related projects. It is the place where crypto space began to sprout and led to other crypto channels. Even with the presence of other channels, Bitcointalk remains a reputable platform every crypto project must consider building a community on.

Bitcoinwiki
1. It says Theymos is the admin but the domain name is owned by Sirius.
^QuestionIf Sirius decides to take his domain as the owner, can he or he can no longer temper with it, just as Satoshi can no longer temper with bitcoin?
2. It said the forum had before being hosted as bitcoin.org/SMF. In July 2011 it was moved to Bitcointalk.org to make it unofficial. But there was still a strong marriage of link between Bitcoin.org and Bitcointalk.org until recently.

The "forum" link on the bitcoin.org homepage was made to simply return the Google search results for the search terms "bitcoin forums". This was followed by Bitcoin Community members, very much in bitcoin's spirit of decentralisation, creating a number of alternative forums offering different moderatorial policies and using different software platforms. None of these alternative forums have yet reached the size of Bitcoin Talk.

Later, the "forum" link was simply removed, further distancing Bitcoin Talk from the official bitcoin.org. As of April 21, 2012, Bitcoin Talk remains the first search result on Google thanks to its high page rank.

On July 22, 2012, Bitcoin Talk reached its one millionth post.

References:
https://coinmarketcap.com/alexandria/glossary/bitcointalk
https://zims-en.kiwix.campusafrica.gos.orange.com/wikipedia_en_all_nopic/A/Bitcointalk
https://www.meetbunch.com/the-bitcointalk-guide
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BitcoinTalk
Acknowledgement:
I acknowledge everybody that encouraged me when I made Test your forum knowledge
Now I have known what outsiders say about bitcointalk.org I will continue another phase of research.

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[PX-Z]

It said that Satoshi lost the first forum which he was using a to post about bitcoin development.  A SourceForge forum.  That Sirius (could it be this Cyrus) provided hosting for the present day Bitcointalk we know.

Cyrus and sirius are different person.

If Sirius decides to take his domain as the owner, can he or he can no longer temper with it, just as Satoshi can no longer temper with bitcoin?

Theymos is the person who have full control for bitcointalk domain and its hosting account, cobra confirms it a while ago.

[uchegod-21]

It said that Satoshi lost the first forum which he was using a to post about bitcoin development.  A SourceForge forum.  That Sirius (could it be this Cyrus) provided hosting for the present day Bitcointalk we know.

Cyrus and sirius are different person.

Thank you for proving me link to sirius. I checked the profile and I discovered that he did not get much merits and trusts like Theymos and Satoshi. It was only Theymos that trusted him as "co-creator of bitcointalk"

Because it's not, your 4th point also mention that SourceForge is older than Bitcointalk. You can verify it at Welcome to the new Bitcoin forum!.

Good, I clicked the link to the sourceforge but it is not reachable again. Since the first is no longer existing, it is correct to say that the one existing is the oldest.

[PX-Z]

It said that Satoshi lost the first forum which he was using a to post about bitcoin development.  A SourceForge forum.  That Sirius (could it be this Cyrus) provided hosting for the present day Bitcointalk we know.

Cyrus and sirius are different person.

Thank you for proving me link to sirius. I checked the profile and I discovered that he did not get much merits and trusts like Theymos and Satoshi. It was only Theymos that trusted him as "co-creator of bitcointalk"

Merit wasn't implemented yet on the time when he was still active even trust feedbacks wasnt fully used on that time compared to now for DT members.

Theymos trusting him as co admin is enough for all members here to trust him as well.

[tranthidung]

Outsiders will say negatively about Bitcoin. Most of them will be outsiders forever. They would prefer to call Bitcoin as a fraud, too expensive, a bubble, fragile asset. Price is too expensive to buy and own. Like this video

Outsiders would like to stay with fiats and feel happy whenever Bitcoin has falls or crashes. They feel happy when they have pay raise but the don't realize that it is not enough to compensate for inflation rate.

[uchegod-21]

Outsiders will say negatively about Bitcoin. Most of them will be outsiders forever. They would prefer to call Bitcoin as a fraud, too expensive, a bubble, fragile asset. Price is too expensive to buy and own. Like this video

Outsiders would like to stay with fiats and feel happy whenever Bitcoin has falls or crashes. They feel happy when they have pay raise but the don't realize that it is not enough to compensate for inflation rate.

It looks like you did not read the OP or what other people are discussing. It will be fine if you can read it now. Because your post is different from OP and what is being discussed.

[Pmalek]

2. It said that the first Bitcoin transaction happened in this forum, which is the popular 10,000 Bitcoin for pizza.
Is this actually the first bitcoin transaction?

No. That's just the first time that Bitcoin was used as a payment method to purchase something of value (two pizzas). It was the first time it was used as money. The first transaction happened in the very first block. Satoshi also sent transactions to Hal Finney before the pizza transaction.

4. In conclusion it agrees that bitcointalk is the oldest forum and that it is still reputable till date.

Bitcointalk is one of the pioneer crypto communities that launch ICOs and crypto-related projects.

Not the oldest. One of the pioneers, meaning one of the oldest.


Bitcoinwiki
1. It says Theymos is the admin but the domain name is owned by Sirius.

Cøbra and theymos have managed Bitcointalk and Bitcoin.org for a long time. But that's no longer the case. theymos doesn't have anything to do with Bitcoin.org anymore and Cobra has no rights on Bitcointalk. This quote explains it nicely:

Satoshi created both bitcoin.org and this forum, which was originally at bitcoin.org/smf. Later, the forum got its own domain name, but due to this history, bitcoin.org and bitcointalk.org have traditionally been linked, and for quite some time Cøbra and I have together managed the domain names. However, Cøbra has never had much involvement in bitcointalk.org's operation, and I haven't involved myself in bitcoin.org for a couple of years, so the linkage between the two no longer really made made any sense. Therefore, we decided to separate the domains: I no longer have any access to the bitcoin.org domain name, and Cøbra no longer has any access to the bitcointalk.org domain name. The two sites should be viewed as totally separate, which in practice they have been for years.

There will be no changes whatsoever on bitcointalk.org due to this, and I'd assume that the same will be true of bitcoin.org. The bitcoin.org open-source project has been advancing steadily, and I hope and expect that it will continue to do so thanks to the efforts of its contributors.

Thanks to Cøbra for handling much of bitcointalk.org's domain-name-related work in the past.

   

[The Sceptical Chymist]

OP, just from reading the first blurb there about coinmarketcap's alleged understatements regarding bitcointalk's status among crypto forums I can see that this is all just nitpicky stuff.  There might be some language difficulties that account for your claims, whether they're on your part or on the sites you took quotes from.  For instance:

Coinmarketcap.com
1. It did not recognise Bitcointalk as the largest Bitcoin Forum.

Today, Bitcointalk is one of the largest online forums where people can ask questions and discuss topics related to Bitcoin, blockchain technology and cryptocurrency in general. The forum was created by the infamous inventor of Bitcoin itself — Satoshi Nakamoto, in November 2009.

For one thing, f you put a comma after "forums" in the first sentence, the meaning changes to exactly what you said CMC didn't recognize.  For another, CMC looks like it uses a lot of "couch phrasing".  A lot of people and journalists do this, writing "one of the best/biggest/whateverest" instead of declaring absolute dominance.  Calling CMC out for that just isn't worth doing, IMO.

My advice to you is to just read before starting these threads about bitcointalk.  You might have fallen in love with the forum, you might be fishing for merit, but to me (and probably some other older members) it's kind of blah.

[_BlackStar]

Outsiders will say negatively about Bitcoin. Most of them will be outsiders forever. They would prefer to call Bitcoin as a fraud, too expensive, a bubble, fragile asset. Price is too expensive to buy and own. Like this video

Outsiders would like to stay with fiats and feel happy whenever Bitcoin has falls or crashes. They feel happy when they have pay raise but the don't realize that it is not enough to compensate for inflation rate.

That is something that is commonplace for the non-educational and pro-government community because not everyone will agree with the existence of bitcoin as a currency. Some people agree with bitcoin ^{[its community]} while others oppose bitcoin with various misguided assumptions and understandings which are actually unjustified myths. Just look at how people call bitcoin a giant ponzi scheme, it's enough to prove that not everyone likes bitcoin.

My advice to you is to just read before starting these threads about bitcointalk.  You might have fallen in love with the forum, you might be fishing for merit, but to me (and probably some other older members) it's kind of blah.

LOL, I hope the bitcoin price correction so far has not affected your emotions too much, The Pharmacist. Let them explore themselves and their speaking skills which sometimes seem displeasing to many people. 

[SFR10]

One of the reasons why Bitcointalk became so big is the diversity of languages supported on the forum. Anyone can start a thread in any language, which has attracted users from all over the world

In regards to the bolded part, that's not always the case: "If you post threads outside of your own local thread you will be banned"!

3. It said something about the importance and dangers of seed account but I don't understand what seed account means even after the explanation below.help

It's referring to those that use bumping services ^{[e.g. shills]}...

The benefit of having seed accounts in Bitcointalk ANN thread is the retention of the ANN thread on the first page of the forum. Having a constant pump of the thread would help the ICO announcement reach more audience in the community and keep it trending.

That's no longer the case... Theymos changed its behavior in some of the boards: Bumping changes on some boards

[Upgrade00]

In regards to the bolded part, that's not always the case: "If you post threads outside of your own local thread you will be banned"!

That rule applies to the local thread section and I believe it was put in place to prevent users from creating multiple local threads in that section as it could get it clogged up and make it difficult for users to find a thread that applies to their language.
If a local board exists then anyone can actually create a thread there and join discussions.

Some languages actually do have multiple threads in the local thread section, but the users who created them are not banned, Maybe cause those threads are specific and do not contribute to spam.

[malcovi2]

Outsiders will say negatively about Bitcoin. Most of them will be outsiders forever. They would prefer to call Bitcoin as a fraud, too expensive, a bubble, fragile asset. Price is too expensive to buy and own. Like this video

Outsiders would like to stay with fiats and feel happy whenever Bitcoin has falls or crashes. They feel happy when they have pay raise but the don't realize that it is not enough to compensate for inflation rate.

That is something that is commonplace for the non-educational and pro-government community because not everyone will agree with the existence of bitcoin as a currency. Some people agree with bitcoin ^{[its community]} while others oppose bitcoin with various misguided assumptions and understandings which are actually unjustified myths. Just look at how people call bitcoin a giant ponzi scheme, it's enough to prove that not everyone likes bitcoin.

My advice to you is to just read before starting these threads about bitcointalk.  You might have fallen in love with the forum, you might be fishing for merit, but to me (and probably some other older members) it's kind of blah.

LOL, I hope the bitcoin price correction so far has not affected your emotions too much, The Pharmacist. Let them explore themselves and their speaking skills which sometimes seem displeasing to many people. 

bot accounts?

[Upgrade00]

I am wondering. .when watching video shows on the TheBitcointalkShow channel : at seconds 07:33,, Cyrus said that the founder of the bitcointalk.org forum was Cobra. .And as far as I know Satoshi is the inventor of bitcoin or maybe I misinterpreted this?

If you are referring to the most recent video posted on that channel about a quiz, then that particular question was referring to "bitcoin.org" and not "bitcointalk.org". And the question was about who has access to the domain, not who founded.
Theymos has sole access to this forums' domain name (bitcointalk.org). Satoshi is also still the inventor of bitcoin.

[aysg76]

You don't ask bankers about bitcoin usage right? The outside people who doesn't know anything about the bitcointalk forum will talk absolute shit about it but in the end if you have not yourself used to it then listening to the talks from them is preety useless.This is how things can be changed from one end to other like government says btc is used for criminal activities and other nonsense stuff but those who understands it and have faith in it truly believe in reality of decentralisation with security.

The bitcointalk is best bitcoin related forum from over past 13 years after Satoshi established it and the legacy is being carried on by the existing members and you would find out that how many active community is at the moment on forum discussing about any bitcoin related updates like taproot or any information you want to ask.But could you find it on Wikipedia or coinmarketcap? Suppose you want some technical details about mining rigs and cooling procedures then a miner on bitcointalk will explain it you better or pre-estimated stuff on Wikipedia and other sites? There are many things that makes forum a far much better place to have discussions and meanwhile other benefits which you can't on other platforms.

There was a thread also discussing about wrong information about bitcointalk on Wikipedia and you can check it here :

Wrong information on Wikipedia

So you see finding lot of negative stuff about forum and btc both but it's yours responsibility to check them all and find out the reality.Ask the forum members what's the best and you have here for some time so don't need to ask them at all about what's their perceptions about forum as you know in the end.

[uchegod-21]

You don't ask bankers about bitcoin usage right? The outside people who doesn't know anything about the bitcointalk forum will talk absolute shit about it but in the end if you have not yourself used to it then listening to the talks from them is preety useless..

Many of the people outside the forum does not know much about the forum. They write anything they like as long as they have litte knowledge.
But I have seen some that know very much about the forum. I suspect that it is people that are in the forum or have being in the forum that wrote those ones.

[OgNasty]

You don't ask bankers about bitcoin usage right? The outside people who doesn't know anything about the bitcointalk forum will talk absolute shit about it but in the end if you have not yourself used to it then listening to the talks from them is preety useless..

Many of the people outside the forum does not know much about the forum. They write anything they like as long as they have litte knowledge.
But I have seen some that know very much about the forum. I suspect that it is people that are in the forum or have being in the forum that wrote those ones.

Indeed. There are plenty of scammers who have had to ditch their accounts and come back as a newbie to start over. That’s why users with old accounts that haven’t been destroyed by attacks and controversy are viewed as pretty amazingly trustworthy people by this point. I know after the 2013 bubble deflated in 2014, suddenly a lot of users did questionable things and came back as newbies with 2015-now registration dates. I have so much respect for the guys that came in from 2010-2013 and are still here doing positive things because I know how difficult that is.

[Findingnemo]

How can we expect an another news site will say bitcointalk is the biggest bitcointalk forum? News are also centralized so they publish what they want the people to see now what is the reality.

Bitcointalk created by Satoshi who is the creator of bitcoin as well which is enough. Even when I entered I didn't realize how important this forum is but now everything changed.

[dataispower]

You don't ask bankers about bitcoin usage right? The outside people who doesn't know anything about the bitcointalk forum will talk absolute shit about it but in the end if you have not yourself used to it then listening to the talks from them is preety useless..

Many of the people outside the forum does not know much about the forum. They write anything they like as long as they have litte knowledge.
But I have seen some that know very much about the forum. I suspect that it is people that are in the forum or have being in the forum that wrote those ones.

Indeed. There are plenty of scammers who have had to ditch their accounts and come back as a newbie to start over. That’s why users with old accounts that haven’t been destroyed by attacks and controversy are viewed as pretty amazingly trustworthy people by this point. I know after the 2013 bubble deflated in 2014, suddenly a lot of users did questionable things and came back as newbies with 2015-now registration dates. I have so much respect for the guys that came in from 2010-2013 and are still here doing positive things because I know how difficult that is.

I believe you, because you will some experience that newbie will share that is meaningful and current, that knowledge is not some thing some got from outside before coming to the forum is either the newbie have being chest out before and it come back with new account, some suggestions newbies answer is surprise to me, is research that makes them good enough or they are here already

[_BlackStar]

I believe you, because you will some experience that newbie will share that is meaningful and current, that knowledge is not some thing some got from outside before coming to the forum is either the newbie have being chest out before and it come back with new account, some suggestions newbies answer is surprise to me, is research that makes them good enough or they are here already

Some newbies are old users who create new accounts because they want to do something better regardless of whether they were previous scammers or indeed users who left the forum for some other reason. You'll probably know how they got things started here with a fair amount of knowledge that might differ from other newbies who don't even know what a merit system is if they don't have friends or better reading interests.

But as long as they don't post things like spam, attempted scam, and other things that harm other people then their existence in my opinion doesn't matter. They have the same rights to use this free forum as any other user.

[lovesmayfamilis]

But as long as they don't post things like spam, attempted scam, and other things that harm other people then their existence in my opinion doesn't matter. They have the same rights to use this free forum as any other user.

At the first meeting with the forum, some newcomers do not always understand its value and come to it with only one purpose of earning. And to increase the benefits, they also create several alternative accounts. I have often encountered this situation. People sometimes change their minds after earning negative tags. And then we see a person who seems to be not a beginner but begins to appreciate his account and begins to take a deeper interest in bitcoin. I don't see anything wrong with people making a mistake and wanting to change. I also know many examples. It is better to stumble and realize that to constantly resurrect under other names, having only the goal of deception behind your soul.