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January 25, 2022, 07:57:29 PM |
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I dont see anyone around me invest in bitcoin anymore, everyone are all in DEFI; staking, lending, farming, dex pools all of them are creating highly satisfying apy. why should I invest in btc and hope price rise, while defi coins create satisfying revenue for me? I'm all in coins and I dont care about last dumps because after few months I will recover the losses, even if the price does not recover. total defi index also looks much better than bitcoin graphs I think last bull season was all about defi, not bitcoin , bitcoin made only 3x from 2017 ATH and you call it bull season? but defi coins like avax, solona made more than 100x, all people thought it was about bitcoin and now they are understand they are wrong. only whales are in bitcoin who has bought 10 years ago, to be honest I dont want to make them richer so I will never invest in bitcoin, it also wasting of energy and creates chip crisis too.
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January 25, 2022, 08:26:36 PM |
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Cant really be denied that when it comes to revenue then low caps or low value could really give out those kind of chances for you to make money but speaking with recognition and adoption then it cant really be denied that bitcoin is far more superior and come to think into those people who had made out profits on those DEfi,Nft's etc. are converting always their profits into BTC? That surely proves out on how much trust they are really putting into.
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January 25, 2022, 09:09:32 PM |
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I guess if you're going to ride the wave down and you don't want to mess with selling high and buying low, you could take the DeFi route and stack some altcoins. I think that's probably a better alternative to continuing to buy them, because gross...
Bitcoin is still the market leader, so obviously the tiny projects built to pump are going to have times of outperformance. While this may be enticing to some, it's also good to look at how far shitcoins have fallen from their peaks... Bitcoin being larger and more stable isn't necessarily a bad thing. Especially at this point in the cycle. Sure, when you could buy MATIC for a penny, it was a much better opportunity than Bitcoin, but the people paying $3 for it probably wished they'd just held their corns.
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January 25, 2022, 09:14:16 PM |
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For every shitcoiner who made 100x there are thousands who lost their shirts. With hindsight it's very easy to say that some token or another had a better return over a short term but if you look at CMC top 10 or some other "top" list, it's different every year except Bitcoin is always #1. There were the original altcoins, then premined scams, then ICO scams, then random Ethereum token scams, then more sophisticated DeFi totally-not-scam rug pulls, then NFT bullshit. Every time some excited kids proclaim the death of Bitcoin and every time they're wrong.
Next year there will be a new best thing trying to solve non-existent problems, unless you consider greedy morons having too much money a problem that needs solving, in which case it's fair game.
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January 25, 2022, 09:30:27 PM |
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DeFi is the greatest scam of 2021, it is also not decentralized which has been one of the reasons many scams are possible. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/19/over-10-billion-lost-to-defi-scams-and-thefts-in-2021.htmlOverall losses caused by DeFi exploits have totaled $12 billion so far in 2021, according to a report from Elliptic.
Fraud and theft accounted for $10.5 billion of that sum — a sevenfold increase from last year.
DeFi, or decentralized finance, products aim to replicate traditional financial services using blockchain. Bitcoin is still the leader of all. I am wondering how DeFi has caused disaster into some people's life in 2021 it is very risky just like ICOs are risky.
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January 25, 2022, 10:22:15 PM |
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Defi, a bit like NFT’s, a bit like ICO’s in 2017 bull cycle. Basically a desperate hope for people who missed bitcoin early to make money. Sadly most of these attempts end up futile and people end up broke. Bitcoin is the King, whilst a small position in some alts is OK, I wouldn’t advise too much.
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January 25, 2022, 11:16:39 PM |
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If that kind of strategy is effective to you and it seems you are getting good profit out of it, then just continue.
Still, I won't buy the idea that Bitcoin is over. Without Bitcoin dominance, your Defi stuff won't hype.
What matters is, we always consider doing some diversification, and investments are not limited to only Bitcoin. Just don't live with your moon expectations or else you will end up disappointed.
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January 25, 2022, 11:59:11 PM |
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I dont see anyone around me invest in bitcoin anymore, everyone are all in DEFI; staking, lending, farming, dex pools all of them are creating highly satisfying apy.
Don't be a fool if you don't want to regret it in the future. They seem hyped like NFT's projects that currently make some noise. You can't lean on them for long-term purposes, they are still considered as risky investments than Bitcoin. Everything depended on the Bitcoin price and IF Bitcoin is over your Defi coin is also over. I don't know how you will come up with this statement it seems nonsense to me.
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January 26, 2022, 12:58:48 AM |
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I mean if you're talking about the hype and whatnot, then Bitcoin definitely isn't on the list most of the time, and definitely not now due to how the market is down the dumps, but you can't deny how much safer it is as an investment compared to, well, yours. Or any other altcoin investment. Yes, multipliers between the two are rather different since you can make 100x in one sitting, but it doesn't guarantee that it's YOU who's going to make it, you could be part of the majority, the ones that lose their money instead.
Honestly if you really want to, just diversify your investments. No need to go all-in on a risky project that is built on hype.
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January 26, 2022, 01:35:00 AM |
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I got in early to one of the Defi projects to earn a substantial amount in the first few months but after the project encounters thier first correction, it didn't retrace back to its ath, and then now it's just downwards over and over. The price when it was first traded on the exchange was $4 but today it's just $0.06. I'm glad I still back away while the price was $2. Defi is not worth investing in.
What could be worth it is the project starts with a price of less than a cent and then climb up. I saw one of them but not really a good time to experiment with it today. Trading with BTC still is the best option even when the market is becoming a bear.
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January 26, 2022, 02:41:58 AM |
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All these things you are talking about mainly revolve around Bitcoin, Bitcoin is the main driver of the market, DefI or NFT projects or shitcoin can't make any progress unless Bitcoin moves forward, I agree with you that investing in these things is more profitable than investing in Bitcoin but when you look For a reliable investment, a store of value and a guarantee for the future, Bitcoin must be your first choice. Investing in these projects can only make quick profits, but they can never be trusted in the long run.
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January 26, 2022, 04:41:07 AM |
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I guess you forgot that everything in crypto hinges on bitcoin right?
So it bitcoin is on a massive downfall, almost all crypto is down, just like what we are seeing right now. So there will be no Defi time, besides it's just a hype, Defi, NFT's, for sure they will see better days.
And just like I said in the past, it's a cycle, so yeah Defi might be they hype, but it will surely come to an end so the best thing to do is take advantage of it.
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January 26, 2022, 06:05:39 AM |
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while defi coins create satisfying revenue for me?
It's your right, everyone has a choice and also speculation on their respective coins, can't force to do A and B, everyone has speculation in terms of investment and trading. I read very often about DeFI dropping Bitcoin, but until now there is no way for it, DeFI is just talking nonsense, the proof is, Bitcoin price is dropping, DeFI is also following, and vice versa, Example: Uniswap, CAKE, LINK etc, it means that it does not have a good ecosystem for DeFI. What you need to know is that Bitcoin was created as a cryptocurrency, while DeFI was not, it was just designed in the Bitcoin ecosystem to be able to use cryptocurrencies, it means DeFI can't do anything if crypto doesn't exist, don't get me wrong in judgment and you do something to DeFI, you can end up disappointed, maybe right now you still have good luck in DeFI, don't fantasize about DeFI.
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January 26, 2022, 07:39:41 AM |
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Bitcoin will always be the king. Noobs may be throwing money at Defi but smart money is moving into Bitcoin to store and grow wealth. Notice how most of the popular Defi tokens from last Spring never got close to their prices from the Spring, even as the market expanded a bit higher in the Fall. And most of them have crashed drastically further now.
Fact is 99% of cryptos will go toward zero against Bitcoin long term. Some will succeed, but most won't. Which, to the OP, is why you want to keep plenty of money in Bitcoin. Earning 10% or something on some Defi token ain't gonna matter when it keeps dropping in price over the long term. And if you're getting signifcantly more than that those earnings won't last anyway.
Defi is all experimental and going all in on that is a great way to lose a lot of money if you don't get lucky. Meanwhile, Bitcoin is a great way to build wealth.
Also the reason all these Defi tokens crash, like altcoins always do, is because it's mostly noobs pumping them trying to get rich quick. These are precisely the people who panic sell as soon as they see a dip. In a year there will be a new round of Defi tokens that will pump and dump. Meanwhile Bitcoin will just keep growing.
Stated simply, Bitcoin's time will never be over. Which is why that is where smart money goes while noobs bail out of the latest Defi tokens each crash, or get rug pulled or hacked.
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People will always choose which way they can make massive return after all so its not surprising why mostly are now on it especially on this kind of situation. But remember that bitcoin still the number one and the most trustworthy and reliable when it comes investment especially when it comes long-term. So perhaps even there are some new ways how to make x100, still there's no way they will not jump back to bitcoin again once the price skyrocketed..because indeed it's all about the opportunity reason they're now on Defi so there's no way most investors will ignore bitcoin once it shows a good sign and big opportunity as well.. Always follow what's trends that's what it is to make the story short..
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January 26, 2022, 03:08:45 PM |
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You don't see the clear picture of the market.
Those areas that you've mentioned won't prosper if it's not because of bitcoin. As you can see if bitcoin fells, all of those are falling down. You can say that staking won't fall down but the value or price of the coin staked is dropping but not the reward.
It's okay if that's what you see in the market but nothing will change the reality that bitcoin remains the king.
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January 26, 2022, 06:55:49 PM |
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I dont see anyone around me invest in bitcoin anymore, everyone are all in DEFI; staking, lending, farming, dex pools all of them are creating highly satisfying apy. why should I invest in btc and hope price rise, while defi coins create satisfying revenue for me? I'm all in coins and I dont care about last dumps because after few months I will recover the losses, even if the price does not recover. total defi index also looks much better than bitcoin graphs I think last bull season was all about defi, not bitcoin , bitcoin made only 3x from 2017 ATH and you call it bull season? but defi coins like avax, solona made more than 100x, all people thought it was about bitcoin and now they are understand they are wrong. only whales are in bitcoin who has bought 10 years ago, to be honest I dont want to make them richer so I will never invest in bitcoin, it also wasting of energy and creates chip crisis too. If that is what it is giving you results personally then by all means keep doing it, but I do not see why you have the need to try to put bitcoin down, it is obvious it is more difficult for bitcoin to grow since its market cap is so massive compared to the rest of the coins in the market, but not only that you are trying to make it seem as if the growth was caused by those coins when it can be clearly seen that it was bitcoin the one that caused the bull market and then the rest of the coins benefited out of it.
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January 26, 2022, 07:17:18 PM |
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How many time have you seen defi coins pumping when bitcoin is dumping? I don't think you will find any defi coin in green when bitcoin drops but rather you will see defi coins losing more compared to bitcoin, we cannot compare defi projects with Bitcoin as defi projects are comparatively new where bitcoin is decade old and still surviving and driving the market so it's a baseless comparision and portrayal of bitcoin in negative lights.
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In as much as I want to agree with everything the op has said, (like ognasty said), we still can't rule out the fact that bitcoin is still the market leader with almost half of the entire cryptocurrency market capitalization, I personally can't remember the last time I bought bitcoin with my money, but that does not mean I've put it out of the equation, all bull runs we've experienced so far all started with bitcoin, and from bitcoin, the money spreads to altcoins, so no matter what, bitcoin is still very relevant in this space, atleast until an altcoin takes the number one spot on coinmarketcap.
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senyorito123
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January 26, 2022, 11:48:58 PM |
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Cryptocurrency market won't be running like this promising if Bitcoin presence isn't that good, everything won't be progressive like this now. Don't you hope that it's over as you desire to, DEFI time might become popular in perfect timing, but it won't hamper the sustainability of bitcoin market.
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