Russia Declares it is ready for war with American and European countries

[af_newbie]

Do you think there will be a potential war on the Crimean peninsula which is a seizure zone? and what is the impact on the political stability of countries in Europe, America and Russia that do not want to interfere in this dispute? Your feedback is very valuable.

Yes, this is very likely. Especially with someone who has been wrong on every foreign policy issue over the last 40 years as president in the US. I can all but guarantee that this would not be happening today if Trump was president.

NATO was intended to deter Russian aggression toward Europe, and even though Ukraine is not part of NATO, invading Ukraine is a signal to NATO that eastern NATO nations are next. Unfortunately, the US has effectively been subsidizing European defense since during WW2, and NATO members other than the US are not serious about defending NATO.

As it stands, now Russia would suffer major losses in invading Ukraine, even if NATO and/or the US does not get involved. The people of Ukraine are against being invaded by Russia and the US, under the Trump administration had fairly decently armed Ukraine. So even if Russia does invade Ukraine, it is not a given that Putin survives politically (he is a dictator, but even dictators can only do so much and still stay in power).

Assuming Russia invades Ukraine, what happens next, will largely depend on Germany and the rest of Europe. If the Germans are willing to shut down the Nordstream pipeline and impose strong sanctions on Russia, I don't think Russia will advance past Ukraine. However, if Europe is unwilling to force Russia to pay economic penalities for an invasion, Russia will likely quickly expand Westward.

Thats because current American and German government are lefties that just dream about trading with Russia again.
Especially German, they do want to open Nordstream 2

In Germany, the problem is that the communists did not die.

Case in point, Matthias Warnig, Stasi agent, who worked closely with KGB agent Putin and raised his daughters,
is the CEO of Nord Stream AG.

Communists infiltrated all levels of government and private business.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_Warnig
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Vorontsova

Soviets never died. Socialism and Communism are very popular among young people in the West. 
Thanks to Soviet propaganda, information war.

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[coolcoinz]

Assuming Russia invades Ukraine, what happens next, will largely depend on Germany and the rest of Europe. If the Germans are willing to shut down the Nordstream pipeline and impose strong sanctions on Russia, I don't think Russia will advance past Ukraine. However, if Europe is unwilling to force Russia to pay economic penalities for an invasion, Russia will likely quickly expand Westward.

Germany is a Russian trojan horse in NATO and they showed it by not allowing the British aid through to Ukraine. They don't care what Russia does as long as it does it outside the EU. If Germany attacked Poland it would be a different thing because Poland is in debt with the EU and a useful source of cheap labor for Germany. The EU is like a big farm where poorer countries are first pumped with cash and then, once they're unable to pay it back, farmed for installments, resources and so on.  Tensions with Ukraine make things better for Germany and Poland because Ukrainians are now willing to move West and work for for cheap, but none of these countries would one day want to share a border with Russia.


I feel like Ukrainians will have to make up their minds if they want to be a part of this new Russian union along with Belarus, or join the EU. They didn't join the EU at first because they wanted to stay independent and at the same time keep relations with Russia, but as we can see this can no longer be maintained. You can't have a cake and eat it.

[paxmao]

I can see you are buying most of the Russian arguments. They have no intention to invade, they are just positioning troops in excess of 100k men and plenty of weaponry intended only for offensive use, to protect Russian territory. Protect from what?? There are no troops in Ukraine that could threaten Russia in any manner and the west is not even considering going to war. Second, Crimea was not a territory in contest, it was Ukrainian and Russia invaded and took control of it.

I am happy to discuss reasonable arguments, but, on this case, the insincerity is just absurd.

[af_newbie]

I can see you are buying most of the Russian arguments. They have no intention to invade, they are just positioning troops in excess of 100k men and plenty of weaponry intended only for offensive use, to protect Russian territory. Protect from what?? There are no troops in Ukraine that could threaten Russia in any manner and the west is not even considering going to war. Second, Crimea was not a territory in contest, it was Ukrainian and Russia invaded and took control of it.

I am happy to discuss reasonable arguments, but, on this case, the insincerity is just absurd.

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It is not about the 'protection' of Russia.

Soviets want their territories back.  That is what is all about.

Putin wants to control the former Warsaw Pact countries.

His ultimate goal is to re-establish the Soviet empire, with him as beloved (and feared), the supreme leader.

He has some serious mental problems.

[TheNineClub]

I don't think Russia needed to declare it is ready for war, it kinda had that sentiment all the way from the end of WW2, and it has been in armed conflicts throughout the last 70 or so years. This is not the first time we have been rattled by the notion of a world war in recent years, but it seems that the modern era has, in a way put the brakes on such massive conflicts. More war has been waged behind closed doors through economy and politics than it has been in all-out conflicts. And, without being overly optimistic, could be the case here. That doesn't mean some military scruffles won't happen, but it might not result in total war as we think it would.

[cabron]

I can see you are buying most of the Russian arguments. They have no intention to invade, they are just positioning troops in excess of 100k men and plenty of weaponry intended only for offensive use, to protect Russian territory. Protect from what?? There are no troops in Ukraine that could threaten Russia in any manner and the west is not even considering going to war. Second, Crimea was not a territory in contest, it was Ukrainian and Russia invaded and took control of it.

I am happy to discuss reasonable arguments, but, on this case, the insincerity is just absurd.

Yes. insincerity is just absurd. Like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuvb3FEHz3U

The media keeps pushing there will be an invasion. Well, there is not so if the media keeps doing it, it makes Putin and Lukashenko think there is something will happen because they have done it before. Especially with the news that the US is sending troops.

Iraq has a weapon of mass destruction and the media keeps pushing the news that Sadam will shoot that weapon and suddenly we see him dead on the street. Just like Gaddafi. It ends up in changing a president of a country which could possibly happen in Ukraine or in Russia itself. This is why even US citizen doesn't believe their own media anymore look at the rage there in the US today.

[Gyfts]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/us/politics/russia-ukraine-invasion-pretext.html

Russia allegedly planning to pretext their invasion using a staged video of an attack by Ukraine on Russian military. This is only according to US intelligence, though British intelligence claim a similar operation was being planned.

Journalists have asked the U.S. for the exact evidence of this intelligence, U.S. officials provided none other than their own words. Sound familiar to WMD's in in '03 with Iraq?

[laredo7mm]

So Putin wants to be responsible for the next world war? If conflict escalated between that two superpowers then it won't be among them only. The whole world will take a side and start killing each other. But I think EU leaders are more realistic about the situation and will not start a proxy war for the USA. Germany said that they will not supply any weapon to the Ukraine military which means they know they need Russia for natural resources. The USA just trying to restore its pride by threatening Russia after being defeated by the Taliban. Otherwise, Ukraine is not that valuable for the USA to start a war.

[PrimeNumber7]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/us/politics/russia-ukraine-invasion-pretext.html

Russia allegedly planning to pretext their invasion using a staged video of an attack by Ukraine on Russian military. This is only according to US intelligence, though British intelligence claim a similar operation was being planned.

Journalists have asked the U.S. for the exact evidence of this intelligence, U.S. officials provided none other than their own words. Sound familiar to WMD's in in '03 with Iraq?

The US state department has provided no evidence to support how they know this. When pressed, the state department has said that the allegation is based on newly "declassified information", and when asked what the declassified information was, the state department said that the declassified information is that Russia is planning on executing a false flag operation. When pressed on how the state department knows this, a spokesmen essentially said that the allegation is true because he said it is true.

This may or may not be an accurate report. However, the state department is not installing confidence. I think it is probably more likely that the US intelligence is speculating that Russia may execute some kind of false flag report, but they do not have any concrete evidence one is in the making.

[af_newbie]

Not only there will be a war in Ukraine, but there will also be war in all former Soviet satellite countries, i.e. WWIII.

The question is not if but when.  Putin already signaled that to the world.

People who think appeasing Putin will work have rocks for brains.

Nobody wants war, but with these Soviet leaders in charge, it is certain.

1938-1939 history is repeating itself.  Different actors, same outcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ7x8odi-OU

PS. I bet Putin has plans not just for Europe, but for Latin/Central America and the rest of the world.
With Russian military bases in Mexico, you will be building that wall sooner rather than later, lol.

PPS. Soviets always maintained that Alaska Purchase was just a lease for 100/150 years, to be returned to Russia in 1966/ 2017.
So watch out for that headline one day.

It did not take them long to make this official. Fuck, I can read these fuckers like an open book, lol:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/russia-alaska-california-fort-reparations-sanctions

NATO, do you still think we are not at war with Russia?

[Markinzo]

Whether both countries are as guilty as charged by the other it's a big question, cause both NATO and Russia is just playing politics with the whole issue in which the ball in play (Ukraine) is receiving the whole heat on all sides.

This war is basically an arms conflict game between the Powers that be, so let Ukraine take up a decisive step either to concede to Russia to end this war or totally join the NATO. Either way Ukraine decision may either escalate or bring an end to this war.

[paxmao]

As an American, it's easy for me to look at the Russia situation and blame them for trying to ignite a war.  It does appear to be a bit of a double standard though.  Russia has been fairly open about the military defense systems surrounding their country making them uncomfortable
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Not trying to defend Russia, but ...

I have seen all over the forum "I am not with Russia but...". Firstly, this is not Russia, this is Putin's version of Russia.  Secondly, "feeling uncomfortable" is not a morally or legal valid excuse to attack another country with the intention to change their government.

Now, I do get there is a point on not throwing rocks at a bear, however you cannot let the bear decide what you can or cannot do in your country or else you will never be free to progress, change and evolve as a nation.

On the NATO argument, there is no argument. Putin knows perfectly well that NATO would not accept Ukraine as a member - it is simply too risky. This is all about Putin trying to get a strategic hold on the Black Sea and trying to incorporate Ukraine, a large food producer, into their crony envelope of oligarchs to steal from Ukrainians as he steals the resources of the Russian people.

[KingScorpio]

Not only there will be a war in Ukraine, but there will also be war in all former Soviet satellite countries, i.e. WWIII.

The question is not if but when.  Putin already signaled that to the world.

People who think appeasing Putin will work have rocks for brains.

Nobody wants war, but with these Soviet leaders in charge, it is certain.

1938-1939 history is repeating itself.  Different actors, same outcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ7x8odi-OU

PS. I bet Putin has plans not just for Europe, but for Latin/Central America and the rest of the world.
With Russian military bases in Mexico, you will be building that wall sooner rather than later, lol.

PPS. Soviets always maintained that Alaska Purchase was just a lease for 100/150 years, to be returned to Russia in 1966/ 2017.
So watch out for that headline one day.

appeasing putin means just recognizing the donbass genocide and leave russian speaking ukranians alone,