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3 and 4 is plagiarism no matter how they insert the source url in the content. Those are not how you cite and credit someone or something as the source of the copied paraphrase or sentence. Not unless he wants to credit or give source is the image itself in #4. As a poster here or any social media website, why complicate things if your purpose is to credit the author or website?
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1 design option:Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele made yet another bullish Bitcoin (BTC) prediction soon after the International Monetary Fund had urged his government to remove Bitcoin’s status as legal tender.
Bukele took to Twitter on Monday to predict that Bitcoin will ultimately see a “gigantic price increase” due to its limited supply of only 21 million digital coins.
The president cited Bitcoin’s scarcity case, emphasizing there are “more than 50 million millionaires” in the world, and there is not enough Bitcoin if each one of them wanted to own at least 1 BTC. So far it is a quote from Cointelegraph, it is not bad to quote it. This is the most appropriate as the link is included, you can continue with your own opinions or writings. Just like Mr A said and I quote. It is the most appropriate because it was copied words for words from another source. Or just put it in your own way off hand without copying/pasting it from external source, then quote is not necessary but only include the link for authenticity of your post. These above are the two I preferred. The 2 is not bad either but 1 is the best. I can never use 2, it is a way some people might later modify how they include link in a way that is irritating. 3 needs to be writing in you own way if the link is like that. The 4th is not plagiarism but looking unattractive.
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I think you shouldn't play around like that and tempt the moderators. If someone finds plagiarism with such a link, you just need to report it, with a visible link to the source. You should not create inconvenience for verification, and the one who decides to "joke" like this and hide links should be punished, and after that think whether it was worth appropriating and hiding other people's texts. I can see how the moderators handle reports in the ban thread. If there is solid evidence, for which you do not need to climb into a separate topic, accounts are blocked instantly. The same is true with plagiarism. If you don't want to be banned, provide a visible link. On the other hand, mk4 recently complained about a post that had a hidden link (for safety I will not show the link) And the account was banned.
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I spoke with the moderators and they have a different opinion on this matter. This is just your subjective assessment. There are even those on the forum who believe that plagiarism is when a link is at the end of the text, and not at the beginning. In any case, if you find posts like option 3 and try to report plagiarism, you will be ignored.
Not plagiarism, but not making sense and not professional, so far you included the link like that in the 3rd one, you should write it in your own way, not copy/paste the external source content. This is done like when bringing up a thread that you want people to comment to what you think or something. Example, like gossips on YouTube that someone can bring up what happened in an event and asking what did people think about it. It is not about what moderators think about it only, it also has to be done professionally.
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It's annoying enough to copy an entire post verbatim and just add a link to the source, so at least if you're going to do that, then a user should try as much as possible to make the link very visible for all to see, 1 and 2 is obviously good and a great way to clearly distance yourself from the authorship of a copied work. But as for option 3, it can only be suitable when you're not copying the entire text verbatim, prolly you read a text and you want to put it in your own words, you can sew the link to the original source you got your ideas from in that way and it wouldn't be so obnoxious or even considered as plagiarism. As for 4, I wouldn't just use it.
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I spoke with the moderators and they have a different opinion on this matter.
So what we should call this, an opinionated rule? Plagiarism is a hot topic in this forum or even the most reasons why mods have huge work load banning and unbanning users, if I'm not wrong theymos even have special number of days to ban a user that plagiarised depends on their contribution in the past, yet it all depends on the mod who handle the report. Why mods don't make specific rule about plagiarism, how source is cited, the dos and donts.
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February 01, 2022, 08:32:16 AM |
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Best option for the newbies is to go with options 2 and most preferably it should be at the beginning of your thread if you'll be copying majority of the article. I'm sure people will appreciate you letting them know the post they're about reading isn't yours. Putting it at the very end after a long post of copied article would send the wrong signal as that's what majority of the activity/merit hunters do and you'll be looking like one.
The first option isn't that easy to execute especially for newbies who aren't used to how the feature of the forum work, I know it took me something before I could perfect it, it got some to point I have to quote reply a post then edit before I could get the right format to used. Just as others have said, the third and last option shoudn't be considered unless you're writing an original post and what to link some articles outside the forum to stress your point or for more insight on what you're writing.
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Best option for the newbies is to go with options 2
It is also important to consider that a simply copied post with a provided link, but without their own comments, many moderators agree to accept it as a low-quality post. I have reported a few, and if the discussion does not continue, then such posts are simply deleted.
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February 01, 2022, 09:22:01 AM |
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Best option for the newbies is to go with options 2
It is also important to consider that a simply copied post with a provided link, but without their own comments, many moderators agree to accept it as a low-quality post. I have reported a few, and if the discussion does not continue, then such posts are simply deleted. That's understandable and acceptable but from the topic at hand we're looking at the best way to present a discussion that isn't of your original thoughts without been guilty of plagiarized. Irrespective of how the thought is presented from the four options above, I would delete any that doesn't have a continuous discussions as they all can be considered low quality posts. What give them some content is when they're other valuable discussion developing as users pick interest in the topic.
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3 is plagiarism....
I spoke with the moderators and they have a different opinion on this matter. This is just your subjective assessment. There are even those on the forum who believe that plagiarism is when a link is at the end of the text, and not at the beginning. In any case, if you find posts like option 3 and try to report plagiarism, you will be ignored. Imho this 3rd case is pretty close to writing: I've read in a newspaper: Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele made yet another bullish Bitcoin (BTC) prediction soon after the International Monetary Fund had urged his government to remove Bitcoin’s status as legal tender.which will not be considered plagiarism. So it's pretty much debatable and it may pretty much depend on the mod. --- But 4 is pretty much clear, since there's no visible clue at all about the originating source of the quote. That's a problem. That asks for ban.
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I guess number 3 is the hardest to decide but yes this is plagiarism. I saw a couple of such posts on the forum, I guess it's a smart way to avoid the ban. There is no clear citation of sources and this type of writing is used in paid posts to create a backlink. the context in which the quoted text is cited is also important. if it is presented as one's own opinion, then it is definitely for a penalty while if it is clearly indicated as an example or representation of a different opinion, then it could be considered acceptable.
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Examples 1, 2, and 3 are not plagiarism. If you were to report such things to the moderators, the committers would not be banned for it. Plagiarism is not just copy-pasting someone's text. It's also pretending that the work is yours. In the first three examples, it's obvious that you aren't pretending it's yours because there is a quote, source link, or hyperlink to the original source. We might discuss what style is the most appropriate and which one should be used on the forum, but it's not plagiarism.
I have never come across example #4. Maybe because they are difficult to spot and I didn't see them. Technically, it's not plagiarism because there is a source. However, those who do that, deserve whatever is coming to them because why would you go through the trouble of hiding a link like that when you can just show it normally? Example #4 could be considered plagiarism because the person is pretending that the post is his. You wouldn't be able to know there is an image and source there unless you quoted and checked the code of the post. The only reason I see that someone would do that is to acquire merits making people believe he is the original author, but if someone checks, he can always say that a source was provided but hidden inside the post.
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As long as the post contains the source link it is not considered as plagiarism which I observed from my experiences here because lot of people were copying article from cryptocurrency related news site and post it here to get some merits and at the end of their post they add the source. But I always prefer to put the copied article inside quote bb code and express my opinion below of that.
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All these examples have the same error, since the quoted material should be marked with quotation marks. Thus, if you add the quoted text to your message, it will be clearly visible where the quoted text is and where the author's text is. If the link to the source is hidden, then this entails deliberate deception, in which the authorship of the quoted text may mistakenly be attributed to the author of the message.
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I'm sure most discretion would involve applying Occam's razor to the user's intent. Most of the time, pasting a link is easy enough (and the easiest option). If it seems obvious enough that the user intends to credit something to another, then contextual crediting is no different from sourcing something else. Doing something in an obfuscated way means you have little intention to share it: that seems contrary to someone wishing to credit others' work.
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February 01, 2022, 06:53:52 PM |
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If the link to the source is hidden, then this entails deliberate deception, in which the authorship of the quoted text may mistakenly be attributed to the author of the message. That's exactly what I was saying and that's the case with example #4 in Ratimov's OP. This is not required and is not required by anyone. By placing the text in a quote, all questions about authorship are already swept aside. I will say more, even if I quote like this: Putting something in quote is enough to show the public that you are not trying to make it look like the content is yours. Hence the quote tags. I still wouldn't do that without placing a source link. You would most certainly be safe from getting banned, but maybe a mod would consider deleting your post. I personally see if as an unneeded gamble.
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Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele made yet another bullish Bitcoin (BTC) prediction soon after the International Monetary Fund had urged his government to remove Bitcoin’s status as legal tender.
Bukele took to Twitter on Monday to predict that Bitcoin will ultimately see a “gigantic price increase” due to its limited supply of only 21 million digital coins.
The president cited Bitcoin’s scarcity case, emphasizing there are “more than 50 million millionaires” in the world, and there is not enough Bitcoin if each one of them wanted to own at least 1 BTC. this will be quite enough to avoid accusations of plagiarism. After all, the purpose of quoting is not only not to be accused of plagiarism, but also the norm of copyright. Therefore, in addition to quotation marks, the source and author, if any, should be indicated. And for web publications, a hyperlink to the original message should also be indicated.
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February 01, 2022, 07:20:37 PM |
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Examples 1, 2, and 3 are not plagiarism.
Technically true, at least on this forum. 3rd example is very sketchy though. I can't think of any good reason to do this. Since the person doing this is would be most likely already aware of how plagiarism is treated on this forum, they should just put in a proper link/quote and not run the risk of moderators misinterpreting it. For example, what if the link is dead and moderator doesn't realize it was supposed to be a link to the source of the text and not some random link about the underlined word? And for a casual observer who doesn't want to click links it's not really obvious that it's a source link for the entire following paragraph (or multiple paragraphs? where does it end?), therefore the user who posted such a link may be incorrectly assumed to be the author of the text by merit senders etc... not entirely ethical I think. So yeah maybe I can think of a (bad) reason to do this - merit whoring. Put it in quote tags and remove all doubt. The fact that moderators are extremely lenient in such cases doesn't make it a good or even acceptable practice.
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Option 2 is practically the best way to go about putting a source on a post. It's more directory than the other options. At one glance, you could spot out the that, its not some original content of the OP. People reference stuffs all the time, stuffs that might not be from the source of the specific information being relayed but then, it could help for a better understanding or appreciation of the content.
Now, for those who don't really care to look or are scared on tapping links, they really wouldn't know it was some reference better understanding or the source link. So, pointing it out looks the more better to me.
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