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February 02, 2022, 04:09:21 PM
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BUENOS AIRES — Taking out small loans. Renegotiating salaries. Buying groceries in bulk.

Inflation transforms the way people spend, save and think. That’s true now for some in the United States, where prices rose last year by 7 percent, the fastest rate in nearly 40 years.

But it’s been the reality in Argentina for decades, where inflation last year topped 50 percent — and is expected to be similarly high in 2022.



The long, stubborn march of rising prices in this South American nation has inspired a range of strategies to limit the damage.

Buy enough toothpaste for the entire year? Store as many cans as the cupboard will allow? Keep the freezer crammed with meat? Buying staples in bulk here can feel like saving money. Or better than saving money, because saving money means it just sits there while its value falls.

Agustina Caparulo says filling her gas tank “almost feels like investing,” because the next time she visits the pump the price will almost certainly be higher.

Beyond the monetary cost of rising prices, analysts here say, there’s also a psychological toll: a sense of becoming uncertain about what goods and services are worth — and a fear of overspending as a result.

“There is an inflationary process brewing in the United States, albeit from low levels,” economist Marina Dal Poggetto said. “In Argentina, we come from numerous years of high inflation, which winds up twisting your mind-set.”

Guillermo Oliveto, who runs the consumption consultancy W, speaks of an “inflationary culture.”

“It provokes a permanent free-for-all feeling,” he said. “Almost everyone loses to inflation, and people are on guard all the time.”

One major tactic here is stockpiling. “To the extent that I can, I try to stash as many goods as possible,” said Ana Vienny, a 63-year-old retiree. At one point, she says, she owned 48 cans of tuna and enough vinegar bottles to cook for months. “Eventually, I had to stop buying because there was simply no more space.”

Nonperishable goods are a popular target. “Whenever I see a discount, I buy,” says Nicolás Mónaco, a 32-year-old manager. “I might have eight toothpaste pots right now,” he says. “And enough shampoo for a year and a half. As long as there is no expiration date, I just pile up.”

Taking out loans can also be helpful, provided the interest rate is lower than expected inflation.

Then there’s paying in installments. Americans are familiar with making monthly payments on homes, cars and appliances. In Argentina, installments are applied to just about everything. Sergio González, a financial analyst, bought a single jar of peanut butter last month for 300 pesos — less than $3. He arranged to pay in installments, interest-free, over the next 12 months. It will work out to a quarter a month.

“Just about anything that you get interest-free, you grab it without hesitation,” he said. “The idea is that you take advantage of inflation as it will dilute future fixed payments.”

With inflation at 1 percent per week — typically more than deposit interest rates — money that sits in the bank loses value by the day. That’s strong incentive to spend what you’ve got as soon as you get it. “It stimulates a culture of consumption because the feeling is that today’s pesos will be worth less tomorrow,” Oliveto says.

Paychecks are typically spent swiftly, or pesos exchanged to foreign currency as quickly as possible. There’s a long tradition here of purchasing U.S. dollars as a hedge.

But in a high-inflation economy, the greatest challenge might be matching income to rising prices. Some workers here renegotiate salaries quarterly — and any increase below the inflation rate is effectively a pay cut.

It’s a struggle for many in a country with a large informal economy.

“A feeling of chaos and unpredictability are at the core of what inflation creates in the mind,” said Enrique de Rosa Alabaster, a psychiatrist who studies behavioral science. “It is a phenomenon that goes far beyond economics … and inevitably turns into something emotional.”

It was not always so here.

The idea behind Todo x 2 Pesos will be familiar to Americans. Everything in the chain store sold for two pesos. It was the Argentine equivalent of Five Below.

In the late 1990s, with inflation under control, the stores proliferated. And not only on the streets of the capital but in popular culture, inspiring jokes, song lyrics, even a television show.

Then consumer prices rose, fewer products could be profitably sold for 2 pesos, and the business model collapsed. Todo x 2 Pesos stores are long extinct.

One of the longest-lasting effects of chronic high inflation is the loss of a sense of value.

“In Argentina, prices do not exist anymore,” Vienny said. That means Argentines frequently pay more for less. When customers find a product at a price they perceive as cheap, they hoard it.

Businesses also adapt to survive. Price disorder can lead to profitable commercial tactics: permanent discounts, in which stores hike prices regularly only to offer markdowns afterward.

A supermarket might offer a 40 percent discount on wine on weekends; a credit card might grant 20 percent off on clothing on Wednesdays. That leaves Argentines marking the days in the calendar by the discounts that will be available.

“Everybody hikes prices a bit because they know they can offer a discount later if they’ve gone too far,” Oliveto said. “What is the actual price today for goods in Argentina? One could argue that no one knows for sure.”

Jorge Centeno is a U.S. citizen who has lived in Argentina for almost four decades. He has learned the tactics. Whatever money he saves, he exchanges for U.S. dollars. He stockpiles as much food as the freezer allows. He exerts his energy searching for the lowest prices.

“I literally live looking for deals and discounts all the time,” he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/27/argentina-inflation-strategy-tactics/


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More survival tips to help prepare in case of inflation.

I have tried some of these tips in the past and know them to not work perfectly. Rice is considered a good form of long term food storage for hoarding purposes by some. When I tried hoarding multiple 20 pound bags of rice, I found some bags inexplicably had bugs crawling in them after around 6 months. There is definitely an entire sub genre of content relating to topics like these, which has not been widely explored by bloggers or posters of internet content.

Is it possible that stablecoins are slightly overrated and the micro installment payment market is the one to pursue if inflation is the future:

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Then there’s paying in installments. Americans are familiar with making monthly payments on homes, cars and appliances. In Argentina, installments are applied to just about everything. Sergio González, a financial analyst, bought a single jar of peanut butter last month for 300 pesos — less than $3. He arranged to pay in installments, interest-free, over the next 12 months. It will work out to a quarter a month.
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February 02, 2022, 04:38:05 PM
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Inflation seems to be rampant in many countries in South America (if not all), but it also doesn't seem like a recent trend, it has been going on for a while now. So this is completely armchair Economics from me, but if inflation goes rampant in the rest of the world, maybe things won't get worst over there? Maybe that's the worst that it gets? So basically they never got out of the recession. Well, if the pandemic has tough us anything it's that stockpiling is not a bad idea Smiley

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February 02, 2022, 04:49:47 PM
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Very often in places like India, we prepare something called aachars and my grandma prepared like 50kgs of them and sold them when the price was high, I guess these were their tips for making the things better during rising prices. At the same time I do think inflation is not going to go away, not for a while tho. Especially in big countries like America, the situation is so much worse since during the pandemic even the situation with covid is impacting people. Hoarding stable coins might be a good idea for the rich but for the middle class I do think the only thing that will work with inflation would be a better education. You would be able to find a job everywhere as long as your education is on point and you know where to look for.

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February 02, 2022, 05:29:00 PM
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Have you tried the Mung Beans? They are good for long term storage, in history class I learned about them, they were used by revolutionary armies in our country way back 1800s. It is better alternative to rice as it cheap and you can store them longer. If ever inflation kicks in due to certain phenomenon, wars , economic crash, people would hoard rice and I would go for my secondary option of Mung Beans as few from the common people knew about this, so you would probably be able to afford it by the time of turmoil comes, just sharing the knowledge.
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February 02, 2022, 06:56:28 PM
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I can't imagine myself stocking a few goods for a year. Well, we're not in a crisis and hopefully will not come to that point that we have to hoard. But when we do grocery, we're stacking just only for a week or two.

I've experienced what you've experienced OP about the bugs. But it's different with me, those snacks that I've stocked and even they seem to be good, they were bombarded by ants and they didn't last long.

It is still going to depend on how you deal with inflation.

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February 03, 2022, 04:09:45 PM
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The chart you dropped here shows us some interesting points when you compare the USA to Argentina as you can see there are many people in world complaining about us inflation and worried about the future of the dollar while the raise of inflation rate during the last months in Argentina was much worst than the USA this shows us how terrible is the situation in Argentina I'm not living on Argentina and don't have much information about this country but I guess the food price in Argentina is increasing very much and if you consider the real inflation, not what announced officially by the government the situation can be even worst, here the Argentinan people should choose you to start investing the markets to deal with the inflation rate the face.

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February 03, 2022, 05:15:33 PM
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The pandemic probably exacerbated these problems severely - I know it has in other places, though I don't know much about Argentinian economy, but it makes sense. Things will probably get worse before they get better, if they get better. Sad
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February 03, 2022, 05:32:01 PM
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No one please don't be offended with my statement but I have to mention it, Does people really have the knowledge to understand about inflation to worry about it whether its US or Argentina?

I am talking about the majority who don't understand even people with master degree graduation because they think that finance is not their thing so they never really care about it, they are assuming that they are getting more salary every year but the reality is they are just getting compensated or even lesser salary than previous year depending on the money's purchasing power loss.

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February 03, 2022, 05:38:04 PM
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Have you tried the Mung Beans? They are good for long term storage, in history class I learned about them, they were used by revolutionary armies in our country way back 1800s. It is better alternative to rice as it cheap and you can store them longer. If ever inflation kicks in due to certain phenomenon, wars , economic crash, people would hoard rice and I would go for my secondary option of Mung Beans as few from the common people knew about this, so you would probably be able to afford it by the time of turmoil comes, just sharing the knowledge.
People should learn how to plant edible foods in case inflation kicks in it's always best than to hoard on every week. Just like what you said, mung beans is an alternative of rice so if you have a large backyard then start making a garden and plant more veggies but of course you have to really take care of it if you really want it to survive plus fruits that will grow fast in less than half a year or less is suitable for everyday meals. The idea here is to spend wisely while taking more to hoard than usual.

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February 03, 2022, 05:50:14 PM
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No one please don't be offended with my statement but I have to mention it, Does people really have the knowledge to understand about inflation to worry about it whether its US or Argentina?

I am talking about the majority who don't understand even people with master degree graduation because they think that finance is not their thing so they never really care about it, they are assuming that they are getting more salary every year but the reality is they are just getting compensated or even lesser salary than previous year depending on the money's purchasing power loss.
I'd say no. Honestly I was the same a few years back, I just had that period where I was into finance and stuff (mostly due to crypto) which made me look stuff up. I was in college by then already (Still am), and there's really nothing being taught about stuff like that. I don't think finance courses even teach it themselves, maybe touch upon the past inflation crisis issues but not the current one that is happening right now. Though it is quite obvious with what my parents told me about the purchasing power on their time and the current time.

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February 03, 2022, 06:37:44 PM
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I can't even imagine having to deal with that. Obviously this put low-income earners at an even more disadvantage since they don't always have enough money to buy things in bulk.

Also they might need to start buying other currencies as well since the dollar isn't looking hot these days.

People should learn how to plant edible foods in case inflation kicks in it's always best than to hoard on every week. Just like what you said, mung beans is an alternative of rice so if you have a large backyard then start making a garden and plant more veggies but of course you have to really take care of it if you really want it to survive plus fruits that will grow fast in less than half a year or less is suitable for everyday meals. The idea here is to spend wisely while taking more to hoard than usual.

This is not always an option for city-dwellers where the most they can plant are small herbs in a pot. Suddenly living in the countryside seem more attractive but that also have its own challenges, mainly how to earn money there.

Regarding beans, not just mung but beans in general keep well in storage. Just do that thing where you keep rice in pet bottles and tightly seal it, maybe toss in an old silica gel pack in it, and they can keep for years. Also rice, when mixed with beans, apparently contain all the amino acids we need, which is handy if meat prices are also high (I doubt that's the case in Argentina though with all their cows).
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February 03, 2022, 06:44:56 PM
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The pandemic probably exacerbated these problems severely - I know it has in other places, though I don't know much about Argentinian economy, but it makes sense. Things will probably get worse before they get better, if they get better. Sad

We talk and expect that things can get better but they are keeping going worse by the day. The Argentine situation is not different from many of the country today. Inflation is now a global problem , no country is free from that because things get hard and the effect is multiple inflation. We don't expect things to get better let us digest that into our mind and start a way of investment.
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February 03, 2022, 08:00:52 PM
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No one please don't be offended with my statement but I have to mention it, Does people really have the knowledge to understand about inflation to worry about it whether its US or Argentina?

I am talking about the majority who don't understand even people with master degree graduation because they think that finance is not their thing so they never really care about it, they are assuming that they are getting more salary every year but the reality is they are just getting compensated or even lesser salary than previous year depending on the money's purchasing power loss.
I'd say no. Honestly I was the same a few years back, I just had that period where I was into finance and stuff (mostly due to crypto) which made me look stuff up. I was in college by then already (Still am), and there's really nothing being taught about stuff like that. I don't think finance courses even teach it themselves, maybe touch upon the past inflation crisis issues but not the current one that is happening right now. Though it is quite obvious with what my parents told me about the purchasing power on their time and the current time.
They don't need to explain or teach anything about how to avoid or something but atleast our education system has to teach about money because that is why everyone is running throughout their life but they don't have any knowledge so their life end up with making money all the years still stuck into loan and middle class trap.

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February 04, 2022, 02:51:10 PM
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Have you tried the Mung Beans? They are good for long term storage, in history class I learned about them, they were used by revolutionary armies in our country way back 1800s. It is better alternative to rice as it cheap and you can store them longer. If ever inflation kicks in due to certain phenomenon, wars , economic crash, people would hoard rice and I would go for my secondary option of Mung Beans as few from the common people knew about this, so you would probably be able to afford it by the time of turmoil comes, just sharing the knowledge.
People should learn how to plant edible foods in case inflation kicks in it's always best than to hoard on every week. Just like what you said, mung beans is an alternative of rice so if you have a large backyard then start making a garden and plant more veggies but of course you have to really take care of it if you really want it to survive plus fruits that will grow fast in less than half a year or less is suitable for everyday meals. The idea here is to spend wisely while taking more to hoard than usual.

Yeah you are right, last year of October my wife and I have started to follow our plans in life, we are a growing family and we have manage to get 120 square meters of land and build our humble home, good thing we only build a small house and leave enough space for our car's garage and leave the rest to building a small garden to plant the veggies. We are now seeing results as we've already started to plant sweet potatoes two months ago, thinking of buying more seeds like tomatoes and some spices. In the second phase of our plan, we are trying to buy another 120 sqm beside our lot and it will be a nice thing to do as more lands more food to grow. The view is great and it isn't too far from downtown, with peaceful neighborhood and also refreshing air.
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February 04, 2022, 09:14:35 PM
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No one please don't be offended with my statement but I have to mention it, Does people really have the knowledge to understand about inflation to worry about it whether its US or Argentina?

I am talking about the majority who don't understand even people with master degree graduation because they think that finance is not their thing so they never really care about it, they are assuming that they are getting more salary every year but the reality is they are just getting compensated or even lesser salary than previous year depending on the money's purchasing power loss.
I'd say no. Honestly I was the same a few years back, I just had that period where I was into finance and stuff (mostly due to crypto) which made me look stuff up. I was in college by then already (Still am), and there's really nothing being taught about stuff like that. I don't think finance courses even teach it themselves, maybe touch upon the past inflation crisis issues but not the current one that is happening right now. Though it is quite obvious with what my parents told me about the purchasing power on their time and the current time.
They don't need to explain or teach anything about how to avoid or something but atleast our education system has to teach about money because that is why everyone is running throughout their life but they don't have any knowledge so their life end up with making money all the years still stuck into loan and middle class trap.

This I believe is lacking in most educational system around the world. Most degrees are not covering the basic economics or financial course that will aid in the understanding of how to handle your finances in smart way. Not many people know about inflation and how to address the reduction in the purchasing power of their money. So Argentina or any other country, it is all the same. How can we really face this type of problem?

I just did a quick search just to have an idea and this is where I got -

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/basics/10/protect-yourself-from-inflation.asp

(1) Invest in stocks
(2) Invest in a Home
(3) Invest in yourself

From this article, what particular item/s do you think you can do for yourself? One easy way for me if you have funds, is invest in real-estate even if it is not that big because thru time, it will increase its value. Or if I may add, you can also invest in precious metals or gold jewellery.
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February 04, 2022, 10:10:06 PM
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The average Argentinian is probably more knowledgeable in economic concepts that many of the graduates from schools of economics - at least on regards to the practicalities of living the effects of inflation, loss of trust, irresponsibility, bad debt, corruption,... you name it, they have been through it all. High inflation creates all short of stupid situations in everyday life and makes accounting impossible. A lesson on how an extremely rich country has decided to be poor.

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February 04, 2022, 10:27:38 PM
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The average Argentinian is probably more knowledgeable in economic concepts that many of the graduates from schools of economics - at least on regards to the practicalities of living the effects of inflation, loss of trust, irresponsibility, bad debt, corruption,... you name it, they have been through it all. High inflation creates all short of stupid situations in everyday life and makes accounting impossible. A lesson on how an extremely rich country has decided to be poor.

 As someone from Turkey, I can confirm this. Inflation, loss of trust, irresponsibility by politicians, bad debt, corruption.. all of them exist in our nation. We just started to either learn to live with it or we simply just live in it because we have no other choice, what are we supposed to do? Die? This is why basically all nations with high inflation like ours (%49 officially, %114 unofficially IN A YEAR), just goes on. People think that somehow something disrupts and things a chance and we suddenly have weird life, but we just keep on going. Your weekly going on starts to be monthly first then no going out, your computer turns from high end to mid to low old ones, your car goes from Mercedes to Renault to a motorbike than to electric scooters, basically everything downgrades and you start to live a very poor life but you just keep on living because death is not the solution, hell even for some people they do it, but not the general public.

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February 04, 2022, 10:49:00 PM
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As someone who avoids installments as much as possible due to high interest rates, it's amazing and at the same time, shocking to know that the very thing that I usually avoid is the go-to for people in a different country. Due to the absurd amount of inflation happening in Argentina, perhaps paying in installments is the only way to ensure that you are not 'overpaying' for whatever item you bought. Argentinians must be experts in economics by now, as they have to endure rising prices at a much faster rate compared to everyone else and still get by just fine.

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February 05, 2022, 02:28:21 AM
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As someone who avoids installments as much as possible due to high interest rates, it's amazing and at the same time, shocking to know that the very thing that I usually avoid is the go-to for people in a different country. Due to the absurd amount of inflation happening in Argentina, perhaps paying in installments is the only way to ensure that you are not 'overpaying' for whatever item you bought. Argentinians must be experts in economics by now, as they have to endure rising prices at a much faster rate compared to everyone else and still get by just fine.

That could be true, same here in my country, the inflation rate used to be high, so you need to readjust and learn some basic. But the good thing is that the current government has done something good to at least lower it.

As for the Argentina, not that they are experts, but they could have learn the fundamental and rudimentary economics law because they really have no choice right now. Adapt as humans and then survived.

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That's because you store your rice wrong probably, also you should buy a rice cooker if you want to make sure you're rice is always cooked perfectly. Plus, don't just go for 20 pound bags, there's probably a 100 pound sack there that's going to be saving you more money and also buy a trash bin or something that you can put your rice in to prevent bugs. In terms of long-term storage, you might want to go for vacuum seal. Regarding the situation in Argentina, that's pretty f*cked up because I feel like they're tolerating how the government treats them.



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