Argument against vaccines quite flawed

[Maidak]

I don't really understand why so many people are against the vaccine.   Moreover, the ridiculous arguments they make against the vaccine are not acceptable.
When thousands of lives were being lost every day due to covid-19 and after living in captivity for almost two years, everyone was mentally broken, nothing but this antidote became a beacon of hope.

If it had not been for the vaccine, we would have been in lockdown for several more years.
The world would be destroyed!!

[LTU_btc]

I wouldn't agree agree that arguments against covid vaccines is quite flawed. Yeah, some arguments is just stopid and not worth to pay attention, but some things makes sense. Like @ibminer said, we don't know  about long term effect of vaccine. Probably you won' die 15 minutes or week after taking vaccine, but you don't know what long term effects it will have for you. I'm not saying that vaccines is dangerous or something, but we just don't know it.
Boosters every 4-6 months. It looks like story without end. Tell me other vaccine which is effctive for so short.
Mandatory vaccination - sorry, but no way. I took two jabs, but I wouldn't want to live in country where vaccination is mandatory. Espeially when current vaccines isn't that effective against new covid variants like omicron (which isn't that dangerous itself). I don't like covid passports, but if it's in use, people should have choice. Like making tests in order to enter places where covid passport is required. Bt mandatory vaccination shouldn't even be considered IMHO
It's also ridiculous and sad that countries with big vaccination rates (80% and similar) made lockdowns, despite that they promised freedom for people. I have Netherlands or Belgium in my mind for example. At least it seems that most cuntries in EU ending most of restrictions, but I don't know how people can trust in their governments after it.

[merchantofzeny]

Fully vaxxed myself, decided to take that risk but it seems it's not really that dire anymore. Hopefully at this point we've all gotten some sort of resistance from it. In my community everyone that has ever tested positive were asymptomatic and the infection was only caught because these people have routine testing for work.

However many people are already convinced, and have been since the start, that the vaccines are unsafe and full of nanobots or miniaturised 5G masts or a tiny robot Bill Gates who will rewrite their DNA, or other such nonsense. These people will disregard all data as their decision has already been reached.

I think the nanobots and gene editing claims were pretty ridiculous. I do worry about possible longterm side-effects. Worried when saw some articles about increasing rate of heart attacks in some places.

[tvbcof]

Fully vaxxed myself, decided to take that risk but it seems it's not really that dire anymore. Hopefully at this point we've all gotten some sort of resistance from it. In my community everyone that has ever tested positive were asymptomatic and the infection was only caught because these people have routine testing for work.

The background infection rate is probably the most critical piece of info in deciding on a rational policy, and it is never published even two years later.

The best data I have is that from not long after the 'two weeks to flatten the curve' in early 2020, the number of people who'd been exposed and developed antibodies in S. Cal was about 25%.  Most of them had no idea.  That is the basis for my statement that SARS-cov-2 is pretty much on par with any common cold.

However many people are already convinced, and have been since the start, that the vaccines are unsafe and full of nanobots or miniaturised 5G masts or a tiny robot Bill Gates who will rewrite their DNA, or other such nonsense. These people will disregard all data as their decision has already been reached.

I think the nanobots and gene editing claims were pretty ridiculous. I do worry about possible longterm side-effects. Worried when saw some articles about increasing rate of heart attacks in some places.

I think there are probably a lot of people in my category who are familiar with the rather amazing technology that has been talked about, patented, etc and are wondering if perhaps some experiments with some of it were a part of the plandemic.  It's clear by definition that trying the mRNA cell re-programming technology out on the masses was exactly what happened, and it's a fair suspicion that various groups were granted permission to try out other things too.  Note that it is about as close as it's possible to get to a 'fact' that the different 'batches' from, say, Pfizer had vastly different outcomes for people who got one batch vs. another which is a pretty good indication that there were experiments of one sort or another going on.

That's quite a long way from 'knowing' that there are '5G masts' in the so-called vaccine.  It's simply a fairly rational question to ask...though it's not likely that and answer would be given without a fair bit of 'working over'.  Obviously the current FDA, CDC, etc are not going to ask, and not going to tell what they know.

[SmokerFace]

If anything is above zero (in respect of medicines and vaccines), it is essential if they effectively fight against the disease. So please do not pay any attention to what others are saying. Just get vaccinated.

[Tash]

Keep your toxic death shot
 

[Ultegra134]

What's outstanding with Covid-19 vaccines is that thousands of people signed up for the clinical trials (of each company individually). Such participation has never occurred before, which is one of the main reasons these vaccines were developed so quickly. With other studies, researchers struggled for years to find enough participants, but that wasn't the case with Covid, people got united, together, trusting science in order to develop a safe and efficient vaccine.

While we're now possibly headed towards the end of the pandemic, let's not forget how serious the first strains of the virus were and how many deaths we suffered in the first wave.

[SmokerFace]

Most publishing sites are solely interested in information that would help them rank their site; they don't care what they're writing. Even if they lie in their content, they nevertheless rank well on Google. I believe we should report such websites to cybercrime to take action against the perpetrators of such falsehoods. I think that these falsehoods have a significant negative influence on bitcoin's image and community and that we may lose a large number of new investors as a result. This must be put to an end as quickly as feasible.

[Ultegra134]

Most publishing sites are solely interested in information that would help them rank their site; they don't care what they're writing. Even if they lie in their content, they nevertheless rank well on Google. I believe we should report such websites to cybercrime to take action against the perpetrators of such falsehoods. I think that these falsehoods have a significant negative influence on bitcoin's image and community and that we may lose a large number of new investors as a result. This must be put to an end as quickly as feasible.

That's quite common with anything that's trending honestly, and the pandemic has been on the spotlight for the past 2 years now. You'll see it with pretty much anything, from Bitcoin when it's crashing, to vaccines, or anything which is a controversial subject.

For this specific reason, there are a few fact checkers that provide decent information and debunk such theories. However, it's still not that hard nor time consuming to conduct your own research.

[merchantofzeny]

Fully vaxxed myself, decided to take that risk but it seems it's not really that dire anymore. Hopefully at this point we've all gotten some sort of resistance from it. In my community everyone that has ever tested positive were asymptomatic and the infection was only caught because these people have routine testing for work.

The background infection rate is probably the most critical piece of info in deciding on a rational policy, and it is never published even two years later.

The best data I have is that from not long after the 'two weeks to flatten the curve' in early 2020, the number of people who'd been exposed and developed antibodies in S. Cal was about 25%.  Most of them had no idea.  That is the basis for my statement that SARS-cov-2 is pretty much on par with any common cold.

However many people are already convinced, and have been since the start, that the vaccines are unsafe and full of nanobots or miniaturised 5G masts or a tiny robot Bill Gates who will rewrite their DNA, or other such nonsense. These people will disregard all data as their decision has already been reached.

I think the nanobots and gene editing claims were pretty ridiculous. I do worry about possible longterm side-effects. Worried when saw some articles about increasing rate of heart attacks in some places.

I think there are probably a lot of people in my category who are familiar with the rather amazing technology that has been talked about, patented, etc and are wondering if perhaps some experiments with some of it were a part of the plandemic.  It's clear by definition that trying the mRNA cell re-programming technology out on the masses was exactly what happened, and it's a fair suspicion that various groups were granted permission to try out other things too.  Note that it is about as close as it's possible to get to a 'fact' that the different 'batches' from, say, Pfizer had vastly different outcomes for people who got one batch vs. another which is a pretty good indication that there were experiments of one sort or another going on.

That's quite a long way from 'knowing' that there are '5G masts' in the so-called vaccine.  It's simply a fairly rational question to ask...though it's not likely that and answer would be given without a fair bit of 'working over'.  Obviously the current FDA, CDC, etc are not going to ask, and not going to tell what they know.

Now let's just say that this is just a large experiment of sorts. Wouldn't it be even harder to check the progress with this many of a test subject?

[tvbcof]

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Now let's just say that this is just a large experiment of sorts. Wouldn't it be even harder to check the progress with this many of a test subject?

I wouldn't really call it a 'large experiment'.  More a re-set of how research and development is done.  Now we'll 'do it live' so to speak. _{Won't we Rick?}

As for the tracking, that's really not a problem because random sampling from a sufficiently large pool will give a very precise result.  Lord knows we now have a sufficiently large pool for a bunch of stuff including gene therapy subjects using a variety of techniques.

[Cnut237]

The best data I have is that from not long after the 'two weeks to flatten the curve' in early 2020, the number of people who'd been exposed and developed antibodies in S. Cal was about 25%.  Most of them had no idea.  That is the basis for my statement that SARS-cov-2 is pretty much on par with any common cold.

Whilst any assessment of the proportion of people with antibodies is always going to be an approximation, I'm skeptical of your 'best data'. I assume the standard of data-gathering and analysis in the US is at least as good as that here in the UK, and as far as I can see, ours is pretty good. Have a look at the links below from our Office for National Statistics, for example, and explain why this is all lies and misdirection.

ONS Methodologies
ONS Insights

And what about the excess death figures? Or are they all lies, too? Weird how the death rate (from any reason) increased so dramatically since early 2020, coinciding exactly with waves of the virus.

[BernyJB]

I'd say the argument against vaccines is not flawed, it's non-existent.

A while ago, I heard a phrase: "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is enough."
People who argue against vaccines choose not to believe in evidence, nor in science, and instead believe blindly in whatever cockamamie "truth" suits their agenda.
You don't need to be a virologist to understand vaccines. You need to have a brain, and you need to use it.
There have been many diseases before covid-19 that have been eradicated (or are well on their way to be so) because of vaccine campaigns. Polio, smallpox, rubella, diphteria, tuberculosis, measles, tetanus, rabies, and a loooong list of others.
It could be understandable (to a point) if people were wary of vaccines in the beginning, when they were unproven, but now, it's just pathetic.

[Tash]

I'd say the argument against vaccines is not flawed, it's non-existent.

A while ago, I heard a phrase: "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is enough."
People who argue against vaccines choose not to believe in evidence, nor in science, and instead believe blindly in whatever cockamamie "truth" suits their agenda.
You don't need to be a virologist to understand vaccines. You need to have a brain, and you need to use it.
There have been many diseases before covid-19 that have been eradicated (or are well on their way to be so) because of vaccine campaigns. Polio, smallpox, rubella, diphteria, tuberculosis, measles, tetanus, rabies, and a loooong list of others.
It could be understandable (to a point) if people were wary of vaccines in the beginning, when they were unproven, but now, it's just pathetic.

Tell-lie-vision is not science, corrupt politician is not science.
Some real scientist to be found in signature.

[sirazimuth]

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Some real scientist to be found in signature.

Still pushing your Covid claptrap eh?
A simple search of those “real scientists” found in your siggy
shows they are all debunked or full of shit.
Just like yourself.

[BernyJB]

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Some real scientist to be found in signature.

Still pushing your Covid claptrap eh?
A simple search of those “real scientists” found in your siggy
shows they are all debunked or full of shit.
Just like yourself.

Sirazimuth: I suggest you just ignore him. My life has become much easier since I don't have to read his drivel.
A few years ago, on another forum, another one of "his kind" started posting similar bullshit about climate change, signed by some "scientist" (who was supposed to be some bonafide expert) from a big university. A quick search showed the guy was indeed a member of said university, but he was an entomologist. Quite an "expert". A bit more reading revealed the guy had given his "expert advice" on things like dioxins, cigarettes, etc. Any time there was money to be had, he was willing to "have an opinion" on the subject.

[merchantofzeny]

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Now let's just say that this is just a large experiment of sorts. Wouldn't it be even harder to check the progress with this many of a test subject?

I wouldn't really call it a 'large experiment'.  More a re-set of how research and development is done.  Now we'll 'do it live' so to speak. _{Won't we Rick?}

As for the tracking, that's really not a problem because random sampling from a sufficiently large pool will give a very precise result.  Lord knows we now have a sufficiently large pool for a bunch of stuff including gene therapy subjects using a variety of techniques.

Frightening if you think about it. Got fooled once but not doing it over again. Just hoping it isn't as bad as we're thinking. A neighbor mentioned one of his coworkers got comatose after taking the booster. Not sure if it was a different brand as his "full dose" since apparently we was doing fine after those 2 shots. It's the booster that did him in.

[BernyJB]

Frightening if you think about it. Got fooled once but not doing it over again. Just hoping it isn't as bad as we're thinking. A neighbor mentioned one of his coworkers got comatose after taking the booster. Not sure if it was a different brand as his "full dose" since apparently we was doing fine after those 2 shots. It's the booster that did him in.

That you don't know. The fact something happened to him after getting the booster (even if immediately after) doesn't mean it happened because of it. A lot of people are gonna die after getting any number of doses of this or any other vaccine, and a lot of people will die after not taking it. In fact, the one universal truth is that we're all going to die.
That's why one of science's golden rules is "Correlation Does Not Mean Causation".

Here's an example: Somebody died a few years ago from leptospirosis. Of course, an army of armchair scientists soon determined the person had drank a can of Coca-Cola before dying, So Coca-Cola HAD to be the cause, due to leptospira being found on rat urine. Of course, it took some time for somebody to realize leptospirosis has a 1 to 2 week onset time, so the person must have contracted the disease long before drinking the soda can. Even today, when you buy a soda can, there are people that will warn you to wash it before drinking from it, because you might get leptospirosis.

[Ultegra134]

Frightening if you think about it. Got fooled once but not doing it over again. Just hoping it isn't as bad as we're thinking. A neighbor mentioned one of his coworkers got comatose after taking the booster. Not sure if it was a different brand as his "full dose" since apparently we was doing fine after those 2 shots. It's the booster that did him in.

That you don't know. The fact something happened to him after getting the booster (even if immediately after) doesn't mean it happened because of it. A lot of people are gonna die after getting any number of doses of this or any other vaccine, and a lot of people will die after not taking it. In fact, the one universal truth is that we're all going to die.
That's why one of science's golden rules is "Correlation Does Not Mean Causation".

Here's an example: Somebody died a few years ago from leptospirosis. Of course, an army of armchair scientists soon determined the person had drank a can of Coca-Cola before dying, So Coca-Cola HAD to be the cause, due to leptospira being found on rat urine. Of course, it took some time for somebody to realize leptospirosis has a 1 to 2 week onset time, so the person must have contracted the disease long before drinking the soda can. Even today, when you buy a soda can, there are people that will warn you to wash it before drinking from it, because you might get leptospirosis.

I'm not sure on which thread it was, but I've also mentioned how side effects are recorded, not only for vaccines, but also for any conditional medicine. Anyway, statistically, numerous people die on a weekly basis, some of which possibly got vaccinated or received a specific drug recently, statistically, there's a X chance of death, from a variety of causes, which have to be recorded regardless of their relationship with the vaccine/medicine.

[tvbcof]

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Now let's just say that this is just a large experiment of sorts. Wouldn't it be even harder to check the progress with this many of a test subject?

I wouldn't really call it a 'large experiment'.  More a re-set of how research and development is done.  Now we'll 'do it live' so to speak. _{Won't we Rick?}

As for the tracking, that's really not a problem because random sampling from a sufficiently large pool will give a very precise result.  Lord knows we now have a sufficiently large pool for a bunch of stuff including gene therapy subjects using a variety of techniques.

Frightening if you think about it. Got fooled once but not doing it over again. Just hoping it isn't as bad as we're thinking. A neighbor mentioned one of his coworkers got comatose after taking the booster. Not sure if it was a different brand as his "full dose" since apparently we was doing fine after those 2 shots. It's the booster that did him in.

I think there is some hope for that depending on what particular batch one gets, but more importantly, depending on your own body's propensity for cellular transfection rate.  Some people's cells seem to pick up a monster dose and they are severely damaged.  Other people have no noticeable effect, and that is quite possibly because for whatever reason they don't have too many cells infected.

Hopefully also as good scientists ('white hats' so-to-speak) work on reverse engineering what these save-Mother-Gai eugenicists, profiteers, Luciferians, Kabbalahists, etc have done, it may be possible to re-activate the parts of the immune system that pharma needed to shut off in order to allow transfection and spike protein production.  Many good people are certainly working on it, though with limited funding and career difficulties.

Unfortunately, a cell which starts sprouting spike protein looks to the normal well functioning immune system like a cancer and it is dealt with with 'extreme prejudiced'.  Since this make the vaccine gene therapy less effective, the developers just turned off the normal immune system elements which fight cancer.  As could be expected by any thinking person, cancer rates have exploded since the jabs.  Of course they'll bury this by claiming that the cancers came from 'long covid' or some new HIV or some such.  And, of course, most people will believe anything the CDC and mainstream media say.  Oh well <shrug>.