Jannn's case discussion thread, continuation from the Address staking thread.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Just to stop the off topic form the Address staking thread, I'm opening this one here so we can continue our civilized conversation.

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is Hero User Jannn from Bitcointalk, today is 01/02/2022
and this is my BTC address ownership proof, for staking and account security purposes.
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
Version: Bitcoin-qt (1.0)
Address: 1CvZ7y9qNRbcMRC3vFsBhWhUUkSmLLpcZA

IGS0/sYwSl5FnvDqmLFtu48T/Y9QuAmbGErE+MyMiZx1cluX183Dj4uC0hiAkFnRp+GwR5V9/fctmtOFzbStNHo=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----

Please someone can quote it + verify for me  ?
Will appreciate.

Thanks.

Quoted, I cannot very you, getting an error.
BTW please sign a message from this address below.

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is Jannn from bitcointalk.org and today is 30 March 2016.
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1GrMF4YU8mahMKHVaWwL2Lwf5quwDwpt8A
IIukWMmsFZ1yLcfQk7C+kbFFZSi1KsbOU6YYfGVyPmQCKnbh54duZrgHCI2ihqC/Z/v1+KFApSQz0MFg+vCoZkI=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Nope.
Sorry mate, impossible...
this is/was my old address from my multi-bit Classic Wallet
i have moved all funds as well as switched into more modern / better wallets after 2016
and burned the wallet as well for security reasons...

so this is my NEW address (since around 2018-2019) now...

For security reasons, feel free to send me a PM for extra confirmations / verifications if wanted...

Leaving negative feedback back to those who tag you won't do any good for your situation.
Let's find a better solution.

Mostly scammers wake up and ask for loans and staking new address without signature from an old one, so tagging old account without activity in the past few year who woke up and the first thing was to ask for loan is a common practice until the owner of the account provide proof that he is the creator of the account. You have a chance to get the tags removed.

I suggest Jannn to remove his negative feedback he left to DS_ and icopress and focus on providing proof that he is the original owner.

Addresses you previously owned :

Can you provide a sign message from this address > 1HALVEAuiBkHhdJy4CZUDxg7H4cVFbrSrY used here
It's a vanity address and you should have access to the private keys yourself.

[NeuroticFish]

The problem is that he is asking for non-collateral loans, probably hoping that "his" address can fool anybody.
That's why he got negative trust feedback, not because of that address staking.

[TheBeardedBaby]

The problem is that he is asking for non-collateral loans, probably hoping that "his" address can fool anybody.
That's why he got negative trust feedback, not because of that address staking.

Yeah that's why I made this thread to not derail the Addy staking one.

I did check his previous tradings and he has done this before and paid back the loan. I would give the guy a chance at least to explain what's going on.

At least he can provide proof of ownership of the account, like sign a message from the vanity address above.

[LoyceV]

I noticed this yesterday but didn't want to go off-topic:

Sorry mate, impossible...
this is/was my old address from my multi-bit Classic Wallet
i have moved all funds as well as switched into more modern / better wallets after 2016
and burned the wallet as well for security reasons...

Burning a wallet is the opposite of securing it.

Listen to this guy:

Sigh... why delete a wallet instead of moving it aside and keeping the old copy just in case?  You should never delete a wallet.

Unless, of course, it wasn't his wallet to begin with.

[Bitcoin SV]

His signature is not valid. I think that Jannn takes everyone for fools slipping us a bullshit

~

https://tools.bitcoin.com/verify-message

[JeromeTash]

Am very sure Jannn's account isn't under the original owner

1. If some of you recall, May, June, July 2018 was a time when there were massive account hacks by someone who would change emails using a temporarily service known as yopmail.

I know this because I was a victim too

and?
https://bpip.org/Profile?id=814754



2. Posting style changes immediately after the password change after a 4-month posting gap - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=814754;sa=showPosts;start=160

3. They also tried to ask for a loan before the hack. This is the post the current owner doesn't want us to see because it contain an address of probably the first owner

Good day for all of us especially for those reading this
Im looking for someone that can take a risk to filled my loan amount (0.1 BTC) with no collateral.
I will repay it once the EON became tradeable that will happen on May 14 , 2018 ,

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/14/blob724f1d2d615a226d.jpeg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

I expected some delay on it but im sure it will available the end of this quarter (Quarter 2 )
Im holding a total of 2965 EON in my account in EON ICO dashboard

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/14/blob9ff9c68fcd7314ad.jpeg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Loan Amount : 0.1 BTC
Address to fund : 1JannnedH1REESqWVxv8dUgkubv7DRFoj5
Collateral : None
Total repayment : 0.11BTC
Reason : Renovating my house
Repayment date : When EON tradeable

That Bitcoin address (1GrMF4YU8mahMKHVaWwL2Lwf5quwDwpt8A) posted here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.msg14366115#msg14366115

Code:

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I'm Jannn , Im looking for someone that can take a risk , I'm want to borrow a total of 0.1 BTC and I will repay it once the EON became tradeable that happen in May 14 , 2018
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
Version: Bitcoin-qt (1.0)
Address: 1GrMF4YU8mahMKHVaWwL2Lwf5quwDwpt8A

ILGrmVJUwhDRxW3ZatS6PgJmloBLzUMfJ3sheKLLbt0/Ud+dDe3aMEnQNr+sSyQDgoJjPlxEZky0owgozdqzG7w=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----

Other loan that i paid : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1909696.0

-snip-

Can he sign the message from 1JannnedH1REESqWVxv8dUgkubv7DRFoj5 or 1GrMF4YU8mahMKHVaWwL2Lwf5quwDwpt8A? I completely doubt if he can.

[TheBeardedBaby]

I tired to verify the second message he signed from the same address when asking for a loan and got the negative feedback, but the same thing happened.

Loan Amount: 0.06494761 BTC
Loan Purpose: Emergencies / Medical Costs
Proposed Loan Interest Rate: 8% Interest P/Month
Loan Repay Amount: $2700 if paid in 1 month or $2900 if paid exactly at deadline (If paid exactly in 2 months)
Loan Repay Date: Max within 2 months from today, but with possibility of covering the whole loan '' earlier '' with a lump sum payment as this is just a temporary emergency loan
Type of Collateral: none
Escrow profile Link: none
Bitcoin Address: 1CvZ7y9qNRbcMRC3vFsBhWhUUkSmLLpcZA 

Staked Address + Proof Of Address / Account Ownership

Required BTC Amount: 0.06494761 BTC
Estimated Loan Duration: 2 Months Max From Today
BTC Address: 1CvZ7y9qNRbcMRC3vFsBhWhUUkSmLLpcZA
Signed Message:

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

This is User Jannn from Bitcointalk, today is 02/02/2022
and i'm requesting for a loan of 0.06494761 BTC
from shasan to be paid back completely in 2 months if approved.

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----

Version: Bitcoin-qt (1.0)
Address: 1CvZ7y9qNRbcMRC3vFsBhWhUUkSmLLpcZA
H3NTulYkEMVBtFst5yxaJwPFFNfG/yQoYz6D24Hw2h3HJ5K3E0WoPeAln4PY+8YDBTsn+/KXIAGsUyNFPXSnyj8=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----

I assume you guys were right, he is maybe trying to pretend that he has control over the address so he can fool someone to lend him money.
I will wait an input from him to see what he will say.

[LoyceV]

I assume you guys were right, he is maybe trying to pretend that he has control over the address so he can fool someone to lend him money.

That doesn't make sense: why would anyone ask for money on an address they don't own?

[TheBeardedBaby]

I assume you guys were right, he is maybe trying to pretend that he has control over the address so he can fool someone to lend him money.

That doesn't make sense: why would anyone ask for money on an address they don't own?

I agree it's not an logical explanation. As I said I'll wait to see if he shows up again and shed a bit more light on that. I don't think the negative feedback is so big issue to be fixed. Just ranting in the trust feedback is not the right thing to do.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Burning a wallet is the opposite of securing it.

Well, just playing devil's advocate here, he may have meant security in another context and not necessarily security of the wallet/address itself.  By that I mean it might be an address he no longer wants to have anything to do with for whatever reason, i.e., he wouldn't want to be caught with the keys to it...again, for whatever reason.

I think the negative trust Jannn got is valid, even if it's harsh.  Those kinds of tags are exactly what Vod would leave to warn the community of a potential scammer.  It's absolutely true that an account waking up after a long period of time and immediately asking for an unsecured loan is sketchy, and if you can't sign a message from an address you staked on the forum?  Double sketchy IMO.

[Bitcoin SV]

this is/was my old address from my multi-bit Classic Wallet
i have moved all funds as well as switched into more modern / better wallets after 2016
and burned the wallet as well for security reasons...

He knows how to burn the wallet, but he doesn't know how to sign messages properly. Is this some new breed of geeks?

Nope.
Sorry mate, impossible...

Okay

For security reasons, feel free to send me a PM for extra confirmations / verifications if wanted...

Sorry mate, impossible... The discussion will now be held publicly. For security reasons

[JeromeTash]

I agree it's not an logical explanation. As I said I'll wait to see if he shows up again and shed a bit more light on that. I don't think the negative feedback is so big issue to be fixed. Just ranting in the trust feedback is not the right thing to do.

With the evidence and requests for him to sign messages from his other addresses presented in this thread, I doubt if he will show up to prove his "innocence"
This was his last rant in Shasan's Lending service thread. Nothing in it clears his negative reputation in any way except attacking people who left him negative feedback.

[LoyceV]

This was his last rant in Shasan's Lending service thread.

It got deleted, but it's in my archives. It's kinda amazing, I don't know what this guy is using, but it's good stuff!

[shasan]

This was his last rant in Shasan's Lending service thread.

It got deleted, but it's in my archives. It's kinda amazing, I don't know what this guy is using, but it's good stuff!

I think the guy has bought/stolen the account that's why the guy doing this behavior. The guy posted a long story on my thread which has been deleted by the guy as you have already mentioned. And it is obvious that the guy is lying.

[Bitcoin SV]

Need to check Jannn and Soldiernumberone for connection (they have one mutual friend)

Jannn


Soldiernumberone

[WhyFhy]

This was his last rant in Shasan's Lending service thread.

It got deleted, but it's in my archives. It's kinda amazing, I don't know what this guy is using, but it's good stuff!

I think the guy has bought/stolen the account that's why the guy doing this behavior. The guy posted a long story on my thread which has been deleted by the guy as you have already mentioned. And it is obvious that the guy is lying.

I agree , the emphasis on "This is Hero User" is another sign of deceit imo. I don't ever see people mentioning forum rank. The terminology sounds like someone who bought the "Hero" account and has that mindset while posting.