Imersion cooling project

[menoiazei]

  Hello,

 recently ordered a complete immersion cooling system from DCX https://cryptocooling.eu and waiting for delivery.

my plan is to fit 8 T17+ in there and upgrade their firmware to the max,
guys from DCX explained to me how to prep the ASICs for the immersion
 and the firmware upgrades I am thinking are mskminer.com or Asic.to

as this is a first for me

would like to learn from people with experience on the subject
tips on prepping the machines to be immersed
and of course best or better firmware upgrades for immersed T17s

many thanks in advance

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[menoiazei]

Just received the kit and will start putting it together with 8 T17+ inside.

[willi9974]

Cool topic, can you share some photos and a DIY story if you are finish.
How much cost your setup if you are finish and your Asic Miner are Running?

Best regards
Willi

[mikeywith]

Op, i would chose vnish (awesome miner) as that lets you use the monitoring software without extra cost, since you will be overclocking the miners, you need something like that.

Also, be careful with the PSU rating, some profiles on those custom firmware require a custom PSU, the solder on those gears is bad so make sure the fluid you use is of a very high quality.

Like willi i am also interested.

[menoiazei]

At the moment received and unboxed the kit and working on removing fans and covers from the machines
dont really know how to properly post pictures here

[menoiazei]

Cool topic, can you share some photos and a DIY story if you are finish.
How much cost your setup if you are finish and your Asic Miner are Running?

Best regards
Willi

Cost me around 7k Euro from DCX https://dcx.eu ,
would love to share some pictures, thing is tried but don't know how to this here
my plan is to use some beaten T17 that I have to experiment, trial and error and if everything works out ok switch to S19s

[menoiazei]

Op, i would chose vnish (awesome miner) as that lets you use the monitoring software without extra cost, since you will be overclocking the miners, you need something like that.

Also, be careful with the PSU rating, some profiles on those custom firmware require a custom PSU, the solder on those gears is bad so make sure the fluid you use is of a very high quality.

Like willi i am also interested.

Mikey Would like to know more about vnish, was thinking to overclock using asic.to
my plan is to take them all apart and wash everything really good with iso propylic alcohol before put them in the liquid

[mikeywith]

Mikey Would like to know more about vnish, was thinking to overclock using asic.to
my plan is to take them all apart and wash everything really good with iso propylic alcohol before put them in the liquid

Asic.to is vnish too, see vnish has many distributions, they all are the same, the difference is what you get from using one of the different versions, asic.to has a great own support for the firmware, AwesomeMiner lets you pay the monitoring fees using those built-in firmware fees so you don't have to spend more on monitoring license.

So all in all, it all depends on what would you need the most out of these "extra features", but Vnish as a whole is a lot better than mskminer IMO.

as for uploading images, use something like https://imgur.com/ and post the link here.

[menoiazei]

Mikey Would like to know more about vnish, was thinking to overclock using asic.to
my plan is to take them all apart and wash everything really good with iso propylic alcohol before put them in the liquid

Asic.to is vnish too, see vnish has many distributions, they all are the same, the difference is what you get from using one of the different versions, asic.to has a great own support for the firmware, AwesomeMiner lets you pay the monitoring fees using those built-in firmware fees so you don't have to spend more on monitoring license.

So all in all, it all depends on what would you need the most out of these "extra features", but Vnish as a whole is a lot better than mskminer IMO.

as for uploading images, use something like https://imgur.com/ and post the link here.

awesome!  will look more into vnish thanks for the advice


https://imgur.com/a/w9H702q


this is a link of one of my current farms set-up and trial for image upload, this is the typical set-up i use at the moment and works really good

some s19pro lt5 and t17+ there, will take some of the t17+s from there to put in immersion and upgrade to s19,
 if i am happy with imersion system will expand and use better asics for the job

thanks for the info!!

[philipma1957]

Mikey Would like to know more about vnish, was thinking to overclock using asic.to
my plan is to take them all apart and wash everything really good with iso propylic alcohol before put them in the liquid

Asic.to is vnish too, see vnish has many distributions, they all are the same, the difference is what you get from using one of the different versions, asic.to has a great own support for the firmware, AwesomeMiner lets you pay the monitoring fees using those built-in firmware fees so you don't have to spend more on monitoring license.

So all in all, it all depends on what would you need the most out of these "extra features", but Vnish as a whole is a lot better than mskminer IMO.

as for uploading images, use something like https://imgur.com/ and post the link here.

awesome!  will look more into vnish thanks for the advice


https://imgur.com/a/w9H702q


this is a link of one of my current farms set-up and trial for image upload, this is the typical set-up i use at the moment and works really good

some s19pro lt5 and t17+ there, will take some of the t17+s from there to put in immersion and upgrade to s19,
 if i am happy with imersion system will expand and use better asics for the job

thanks for the info!!

Nice video. How many units on each pipe?

Those pieces of gear push around 500 cfm each.

the feed to the main pipe looks to be big enough.

I am trying to figure if  the main pipe is big enough.
I am also looking to see if the main pipe has a pull fan on it.

https://learnmetrics.com/cfm-calculator/

...
Flex Duct Diameter:   CFM (Airflow)
4-inch   20 CFM
5-inch   50 CFM
6-inch   80 CFM
7-inch   120 CFM
8-inch   170 CFM
9-inch   230 CFM
10-inch   300 CFM
12-inch   500 CFM
14-inch   740 CFM
16-inch   1050 CFM
18-inch   1400 CFM
20-inch   1875 CFM
...

I would think the big pipe can handle 4 to 6 units of gear max.

more charts

https://hvacdirect.com/hvac/pdf/Field_duct-sizing-chart.pdf

[menoiazei]

Mikey Would like to know more about vnish, was thinking to overclock using asic.to
my plan is to take them all apart and wash everything really good with iso propylic alcohol before put them in the liquid

Asic.to is vnish too, see vnish has many distributions, they all are the same, the difference is what you get from using one of the different versions, asic.to has a great own support for the firmware, AwesomeMiner lets you pay the monitoring fees using those built-in firmware fees so you don't have to spend more on monitoring license.

So all in all, it all depends on what would you need the most out of these "extra features", but Vnish as a whole is a lot better than mskminer IMO.

as for uploading images, use something like https://imgur.com/ and post the link here.

awesome!  will look more into vnish thanks for the advice


https://imgur.com/a/w9H702q


this is a link of one of my current farms set-up and trial for image upload, this is the typical set-up i use at the moment and works really good

some s19pro lt5 and t17+ there, will take some of the t17+s from there to put in immersion and upgrade to s19,
 if i am happy with imersion system will expand and use better asics for the job

thanks for the info!!

Nice video. How many units on each pipe?

Those pieces of gear push around 500 cfm each.

the feed to the main pipe looks to be big enough.

I am trying to figure if  the main pipe is big enough.
I am also looking to see if the main pipe has a pull fan on it.

https://learnmetrics.com/cfm-calculator/

...
Flex Duct Diameter:   CFM (Airflow)
4-inch   20 CFM
5-inch   50 CFM
6-inch   80 CFM
7-inch   120 CFM
8-inch   170 CFM
9-inch   230 CFM
10-inch   300 CFM
12-inch   500 CFM
14-inch   740 CFM
16-inch   1050 CFM
18-inch   1400 CFM
20-inch   1875 CFM
...

I would think the big pipe can handle 4 to 6 units of gear max.

more charts

https://hvacdirect.com/hvac/pdf/Field_duct-sizing-chart.pdf

 is 6 units each pipe with 250mm pipes and each line with separate exhausts not connected to each other
farm at basement and exhausts at ground level and current set-up moves nicely all the air needed as hot air moves up
when I first build this was thinking maybe use some type of extraction fan at the end of each pipe but was not needed as it works just fine as it is
 also machines run cool all year round (and I live in a climate with hot summers)

[OgNasty]

Very cool (pun intended).  I looked into immersion cooling a few years back but the solutions that were available were in the 6 figure price range.  Seeing these units at what I consider to be an affordable price point makes me happy.  I'm looking forward to hearing your experience as I would consider using something like this in my garage if it were possible, which it sounds like it is.  Having some GPUs in there with some ASICs would be a pretty awesome at home setup.  I've been hesitant to go this route as I worry it is what I don't know that will cause me problems, so I'm looking forward to learning more from you about the entire process from ordering, to setup, to maintaining everything.  Good luck!

[willi9974]

Interesting setup with the pipes.
Are the pipes only for push the heat out or do you use it for heating your house or what ever.
Love that kind of topic…

Best regards from Germany
Willi

[menoiazei]

Interesting setup with the pipes.
Are the pipes only for push the heat out or do you use it for heating your house or what ever.
Love that kind of topic…

Best regards from Germany
Willi

At the moment pipes only move air out but of course could be used for heating house also I guess

[menoiazei]

 today i decided to prepare some of the potential asics to be immersed,
so i took everything apart and cleaned throughout with isopropylic alcohol...

https://imgur.com/uo4RCWx

https://imgur.com/4Xxnqn2

https://imgur.com/qPxgm7q

https://imgur.com/sjsJbNg

https://imgur.com/BtwR2z1

https://imgur.com/qUwMDAi

https://imgur.com/VXd7dkO

https://imgur.com/upA8jyE

https://imgur.com/YWsqzqJ

BUMMER!!!

... after i put all different parts on different piles i discovered from another one of my posts that
"boards have serial numbers and will not mix and match from different cases" that i thought that was the case lol 

 guess i have to trial and error to figure out now how to put everything together and what board goes to what miner...

 learning process all the way!!!

on the bright side lucky i did this with t17+s and not with the s19pros

[willi9974]

Cross my fingers and please keep on posting a lot of photos, I love this kind of story.
Hope all goes well and your Miner will run on high speed and low noise.
Very interestet in your future story

Best regards,
Willi

[mikeywith]

"boards have serial numbers and will not mix and match from different cases" that i thought that was the case lol 

 guess i have to trial and error to figure out now how to put everything together and what board goes to what miner...

 learning process all the way!!!

Hey!!, don't even worry about that, only the stock firmware cares about that, vnish doesn't read the voltage stored in the EEPROM and thus you can mix and match boards all you want, I tend to believe all other custom firmware do the same, I just don't have a good experience with them, but I know vnish works.

Obviously, since you will need to disable the fans and overclock the miner, you won't be using the stock firmware either way.

Also, you have got a loose heatsink shown in this image, you have to solder it back on, I highly doubt you can get away with no-heatsink even with Immersion cooling.

Thanks for keeping this topic updated.

[menoiazei]

"boards have serial numbers and will not mix and match from different cases" that i thought that was the case lol 

 guess i have to trial and error to figure out now how to put everything together and what board goes to what miner...

 learning process all the way!!!

Hey!!, don't even worry about that, only the stock firmware cares about that, vnish doesn't read the voltage stored in the EEPROM and thus you can mix and match boards all you want, I tend to believe all other custom firmware do the same, I just don't have a good experience with them, but I know vnish works.

Obviously, since you will need to disable the fans and overclock the miner, you won't be using the stock firmware either way.

Also, you have got a loose heatsink shown in this image, you have to solder it back on, I highly doubt you can get away with no-heatsink even with Immersion cooling.

Thanks for keeping this topic updated.

thanks for advice, will upgrade firmware and see what happens!

[menoiazei]

project update,

after getting fed-up trying to sort the t17+s with messed up hashboards decided to sell them all and never buy t17 or anything from the 17 series ever again, managed to score some Avalons 1166 from a farm that closed down in China only 3 months used and still under warranty so I decided to immerse them instead

https://imgur.com/GiwPVjW

just received the Avalons, they run sweet with good hash rate and feels good to buy asics under warranty 

would appreciate any recommendations for firmware upgrades for the 1166 for immersion and air-cooled

Meanwhile preparing the space where the pool goes and as soon as I have something that's worth watching will post some pictures.

many thanks

[Coinfarm ventures]

Hah, I'm a newbie to ASIC mining and I thought the Bitmain S17/T17 series was a good idea. I thought the price was good for the efficiency. Then I read some threads on this forum, and I discovered what an idiot I was! Better to go with the T19 or a 2 year old Whatsminer/Avalon machine.

I was also dumb for assuming that ASICs are as reliable as GPUs. Even the most reliable ASIC models seem to have failure rates of 5%+ per year. Compare that to 2-3% on GPUs.

Thanks for sharing your real-world experience.