Gambling with China and US

[Mometaskers]

Use it as leverage to milk more money from the US or whichever Western power have influence in your area. Thing is, that can only go so far, America for example isn't exactly swimming in money right now (or we can argue they are, having printed all that new money). Sooner or later, your politicians are gonna sign a deal with China and you better hope you don't end up like Sri Lanka.

I just love this!

For years the US is evil, Americans are destroying everything, now when the alternative has been raised suddenly everyone is begging the Americans to come back.
That visit from a US nuclear carrier in a Vietnamese port is clear proof a lot of realized that while the USA has its flaws in its political interventions it's still better than anything else out there.

Besides, in this war of influence, the tables are set against China, China needs the world to buy its products, the world needs China for manufacturing but while the rest of the world can easily find another manufacturing hub to produce those, China can't find a different world to sell those to somebody.
If only leaders from other underdeveloped nations would have taken the same path at aiming to become manufacturing hubs a decade or two ago we wound;t have this trade war by now, but for some stuffing their pockets rather than building something was more convenient.

We have saying about this "Better the devil you know". It also doesn't help that China has been bullying neighbors. All those countries that went into debt with China, got corruption written all over it. Those politicians got money under the table coz no one in their right minds would have agreed to those terms.

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[jrrsparkles]

Recently the US Secretary of State zoomed to Fiji Island to have discussion with Pacific Island Leaders. The last time such visit happened was 37 years ago. His sole aim is to counter China's influence in that region.

America and the "Quad" are scared that China's aggressive business partnership, infrastructural loans and politically interference in the Pacific will make them loose a strategic partner.

The leaders of the Pacific should cease this opportunity and get the best economic deal. Since both China and US wants their partnership, these leader should consider the offers from both parties and secure the best deal. I am sure the Chinese would visit immediately after the American Secretary leaves the Pacific.

AFAIK, China already captured most part of the water Islands spread across the bottom region while some is in the hands of US and other countries like India, Japan, etc so US will try to get it but can they make it? Already US is having financial issue like inflation rate increase in the historical level along with their debt so what will be their priorities???

[Silberman]

Recently the US Secretary of State zoomed to Fiji Island to have discussion with Pacific Island Leaders. The last time such visit happened was 37 years ago. His sole aim is to counter China's influence in that region.

America and the "Quad" are scared that China's aggressive business partnership, infrastructural loans and politically interference in the Pacific will make them loose a strategic partner.

The leaders of the Pacific should cease this opportunity and get the best economic deal. Since both China and US wants their partnership, these leader should consider the offers from both parties and secure the best deal. I am sure the Chinese would visit immediately after the American Secretary leaves the Pacific.

That is one of the most basic tactics in a negotiation, let the other party know that you have other offers and that you are willing to entertain them, that way they have no other option but to offer a better deal, so even if they do not have the intention of accepting the US offer by just accepting meeting with them this puts China in alert and most likely they will improve the offer or at least match the one made by the US, however if it was me being a leader in that region I will probably reject any deal with China.

[TheNineClub]

Recently the US Secretary of State zoomed to Fiji Island to have discussion with Pacific Island Leaders. The last time such visit happened was 37 years ago. His sole aim is to counter China's influence in that region.

America and the "Quad" are scared that China's aggressive business partnership, infrastructural loans and politically interference in the Pacific will make them loose a strategic partner.

The leaders of the Pacific should cease this opportunity and get the best economic deal. Since both China and US wants their partnership, these leader should consider the offers from both parties and secure the best deal. I am sure the Chinese would visit immediately after the American Secretary leaves the Pacific.

Whatever they choose, they will end up the losing side, because you can bet your ass the US or China are not going to lose, everyone else is just a pawn in their games. But it seems to me that the US has less and less to offer, so I wouldn't be surprised if China took this one, as they are doing in African countries.

[Gyfts]

The US created China. 20 years ago these people were eating bugs. (some still do lol) The US built factories there, gave them jobs. In return, the Chinese stole everything and now they are making their own cars, planes, computers and everything else. That was the biggest treason the US ever faced imo.

And on top of that, they choose to go over a trillion dollars in debt to the Chinese while unable to handle their own economy -- gives China the ability to advance themselves, pay nothing in R&D, while the US continues to drown in debt. If the Chinese take over Taiwan, they'll dominate the chip production too, then the world can enjoy paying the CCP for a chip supply that they have no control over.

[fiulpro]

Consider the current problems with the US, UK and Russia it seems like all Russia is trying to do is to make a business argument and to make things stronger on their side with them being heard. This agressive type of confrontation that will end up one party agreeing to the demands of the other party is something that the Chinese might go for soon. China is at a very profitable place right now and I do think that their relationship can benefit both the parties as well. At the end off the day I do think that US have to face China and Russia at the same time both of them being allies therefore it would take just one wrong turn to WW3.

[Silberman]

The US created China. 20 years ago these people were eating bugs. (some still do lol) The US built factories there, gave them jobs. In return, the Chinese stole everything and now they are making their own cars, planes, computers and everything else. That was the biggest treason the US ever faced imo.

True but that is their own fault, it was unneeded to give this technological access to a country that has always been their political and ideological enemy, also they lacked historical perspective, China has always been a superpower however during the US dominance this was not the case because of several internal factors, however by giving them all of their technology for free just to gain a few extra dollars now the US is paying for this crucial strategical mistake.

[gantez]

America and the "Quad" are scared that China's aggressive business partnership, infrastructural loans and politically interference in the Pacific will make them loose a strategic partner.

US and China have been like walls apart and each other trying to have advantage over the other. I remember China has been struggling to be recognised in the league of world powers and they are trying to occupy territories for trading purpose.

India is a driving force of the Quad and an engine for regional growth, said the White House, days after Foreign Ministers of the countries, which are part of the grouping, met in Melbourne.

The Quad or Quadrilateral Security Dialogue comprises India, the US, Japan and Australia.

During the Melbourne summit, Foreign Ministers of the countries had discussed the destabilising role of China in the Indo-Pacific region and Russian aggression in Ukraine.

US Secretary of State Tony Blinken Indian External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar were part of the discussions.

“We recognise that India is a like-minded partner and leader in South Asia and the Indian Ocean, active in and connected to the Southeast Asia, a driving force of the Quad, and an engine for regional growth and development,” White House Principal Deputy Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters here.

“It was an opportunity to discuss Russia's ongoing threat to Ukraine. They discussed the threat that Russia's aggression poses not only to Ukraine but to the entire international rules-based order, which has provided a foundation for decades of shared security and prosperity for the region and around the globe,” she said about the Melbourne meeting.

Quadrilateral Security Dialogue