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February 16, 2022, 10:29:11 AM |
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So some of you might be aware about the ongoing truckers protest in Canada or so called Freedom Convoy against the fully vaccinated measures by Justin Trudeau.The truckers are protesting against this and beleive it to be monopoly and have put restrictions to their trade between the busy American-Canadian border Ambassadors Bridge.They need to be Fully vaccinated or they have to go through 14 days quarantine period which is what the protest are going for. Importance of Ambassador Bridge Spanning the Detroit River between Detroit and Windsor, Ontario, the suspension bridge accounts for a whopping 25% of all trade between the two countries, with $328 million (417 million Canadian dollars) in goods crossing each day.
The bridge is critical to the food sector in both countries as well as the auto industry; with crossings all but shut down, shortages have forced plants on both sides of the border to go offline or operate at reduced capacity. The Truckers were also supported with the bitcoin donations which emerged as significant move and appreciated by many and they collected total of 21 bitcoins through this.The GofundMe blocked the donations worth $10 million for the drivers and inspect to block those accounts so crypto donations were inspired and they collected 21 bitcoins out of it Crypto fans of the Canadian truckers' anti-vax protest have raised more than $900,000 in bitcoin after donations via GoFundMe were blocked. Source : Bitcoin donation to drivers After this state the government declared emergency situation in the country and said it will not reverse the decision and now the second part has started into motion which is blocking the bank accounts of those who are involved in freedom convoy protest or who are supporting them through funds. The Canadian government has warned that it will freeze the bank accounts and suspend the vehicle insurance of truckers who continue to form blockades in protest of vaccine mandates, as the country declares a national emergency to quell the resulting gridlock.
"This is about following the money. This is about stopping the financing of these illegal blockades," said Canadian Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland at a press conference on Monday. Source : Canada government to freeze freedom convoy protestors bank accounts This is what happens with your central chain of authority that can anytime put restrictions to your funds and deprived you of your money because in reality it's their money and their control over it. This is why we need bitcoin which embrace freedom and your funds are yours.
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February 16, 2022, 11:40:42 AM |
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It's very hard to believe that a progressive country like Canada has taken such a drastic step like an authoritarian country. Peaceful protests comes under human rights. I didn't hear any news of violence during the trucker's protest. So it's surprising that Canadian government has decided to freeze the bank account of the protesters.
But that's where we can clearly see the benefits of bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency. Your money stays with you and no third party has control over it. That should be the norm.
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February 16, 2022, 11:45:44 AM |
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So some of you might be aware about the ongoing truckers protest in Canada or so called Freedom Convoy against the fully vaccinated measures by Justin Trudeau.The truckers are protesting against this and beleive it to be monopoly and have put restrictions to their trade between the busy American-Canadian border Ambassadors Bridge.They need to be Fully vaccinated or they have to go through 14 days quarantine period which is what the protest are going for. Importance of Ambassador Bridge Spanning the Detroit River between Detroit and Windsor, Ontario, the suspension bridge accounts for a whopping 25% of all trade between the two countries, with $328 million (417 million Canadian dollars) in goods crossing each day.
The bridge is critical to the food sector in both countries as well as the auto industry; with crossings all but shut down, shortages have forced plants on both sides of the border to go offline or operate at reduced capacity. The Truckers were also supported with the bitcoin donations which emerged as significant move and appreciated by many and they collected total of 21 bitcoins through this.The GofundMe blocked the donations worth $10 million for the drivers and inspect to block those accounts so crypto donations were inspired and they collected 21 bitcoins out of it Crypto fans of the Canadian truckers' anti-vax protest have raised more than $900,000 in bitcoin after donations via GoFundMe were blocked. Source : Bitcoin donation to drivers After this state the government declared emergency situation in the country and said it will not reverse the decision and now the second part has started into motion which is blocking the bank accounts of those who are involved in freedom convoy protest or who are supporting them through funds. The Canadian government has warned that it will freeze the bank accounts and suspend the vehicle insurance of truckers who continue to form blockades in protest of vaccine mandates, as the country declares a national emergency to quell the resulting gridlock.
"This is about following the money. This is about stopping the financing of these illegal blockades," said Canadian Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland at a press conference on Monday. Source : Canada government to freeze freedom convoy protestors bank accounts This is what happens with your central chain of authority that can anytime put restrictions to your funds and deprived you of your money because in reality it's their money and their control over it. This is why we need bitcoin which embrace freedom and your funds are yours. This is where Bitcoin comes in. As you can see, GoFundMe denied them of their public fundraising campaign. They’ve quickly moved into BTC, where the government cannot stop it as the funds are completely owned by the people without any 3rd party involvement. Decentralization is the future of crowdfunding. Even if Canada would enhance their so-called rules against Bitcoin and cryptos, these citizens aren’t stopping to find ways. In China, they would criminalize citizens who are engaged into Bitcoin, crypto trading, etc., but there are still some out there who aren’t stopping and just bypassing the authoritarian rules.
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February 16, 2022, 11:59:52 AM |
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It's very hard to believe that a progressive country like Canada has taken such a drastic step like an authoritarian country. Peaceful protests comes under human rights. I didn't hear any news of violence during the trucker's protest. So it's surprising that Canadian government has decided to freeze the bank account of the protesters.
But that's where we can clearly see the benefits of bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency. Your money stays with you and no third party has control over it. That should be the norm.
I'm not surprised at all. All the "progressive" leftists want a "big government",that can control every aspect of our lives and act like a babysitter.As if all the people above the age of 18 cannot take care of themselves and act rationally. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) The "progressive" leftists and liberals support only the protests made by other leftists and liberals. All the "civil rights" mumbo-jumbo about "every citizen having the right to protest" doesn't apply to the people,who don't share the liberal agenda.This is hypocrisy. The protests must go on and the protesters will be funded by cryptocurrencies.If Bitcoin doesn't do the work(because of regulated crypto exchanges and BTC wallets),then perhaps the protesters can start using privacy coins like Monero.
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February 16, 2022, 12:10:41 PM |
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also remember that exchanges are fail points. bitcoin is 100% traceable to an exchange and to your bank account.
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February 16, 2022, 12:56:45 PM |
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It's very hard to believe that a progressive country like Canada has taken such a drastic step like an authoritarian country. Peaceful protests comes under human rights. I didn't hear any news of violence during the trucker's protest. So it's surprising that Canadian government has decided to freeze the bank account of the protesters.
But that's where we can clearly see the benefits of bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency. Your money stays with you and no third party has control over it. That should be the norm.
It is difficult to believe that, in general, governments that were thought democratic are actually coercing their citizens to take a product that is still on an experimental stage and to which the own governments have signed of a disclaimer of liability towards the pharma. And that has been the case in Europe as well, with many government forcing or imposing draconian restrictions on those that choose not to use vaccines. It is a personal choice, vaccine or frequent testing. Go out there unvaccinated and untested, that I would say is not valid. Anyway, as of today, I would not say that after Omicron it matters a lot.
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February 16, 2022, 01:53:47 PM |
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It’s unfortunate seeing this whole situation play out like we have over the past few weeks. Canada being a progressive country surprises me that they are going to take things that far that they’re willing to actually freeze peoples bank accounts. On the other hand blocking streets like they are is hazardous and as much as I support protesting, I don’t when it comes to potentially hurting others.’
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February 16, 2022, 02:01:24 PM |
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also remember that exchanges are fail points. bitcoin is 100% traceable to an exchange and to your bank account.
Not unless they use a mixer then the problem's solved. There's also coinjoin which they can use to make their bitcoin's untraceable. And as far as the bank account's concerned. It will be simple for them to use someone's name and a bank account that's not yet known by the public and the government. They can use a friend of theirs or relatives up to the many degrees for which they won't be traced that they're connected to them.
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February 16, 2022, 03:12:16 PM |
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I don't get to understand the reason that government will condescend to freezing protestants accounts because they are carrying out a responsibility that is under the law. Canadian government have caged human right voice by this action, when a protest is peaceful then why don't they hear the people's voice. The people have the power and should be respected.
This freezing of account is becoming a new trend with government in this modern era, this happened in Nigeria during the #EndSars protest where bitcoin accounts with exchanges to banks were blocked and that was the beginning of bitcoin account ban with the bank, this is unfortunate.
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February 16, 2022, 03:12:50 PM |
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Disgusting how low these "progressive" governments would stoop. But what am I expecting anyway? This is just how cowards like Blackface Justin work. I wonder if this is going to be a good advertisement for crypto to the noncomplacent people worrying that government has become too big. I hope it at least make people look into crypto. also remember that exchanges are fail points. bitcoin is 100% traceable to an exchange and to your bank account.
Not unless they use a mixer then the problem's solved. There's also coinjoin which they can use to make their bitcoin's untraceable. And as far as the bank account's concerned. It will be simple for them to use someone's name and a bank account that's not yet known by the public and the government. They can use a friend of theirs or relatives up to the many degrees for which they won't be traced that they're connected to them. Or they can use the #1 currency preferred by money launderers - physical fiat?
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February 16, 2022, 03:54:43 PM |
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So they are breaking the law by blocking the roads. They are hurting businesses that need to have vehicles pass, and the government should do nothing?
You want to protest fine, you want to line the side of the roads and hang banners & stuff and stand out there also fine. You block the roads so people (oh and wait for it....emergency vehicles too) cannot pass. Personally I think they should all be arrested.
No different then people on strike or union people protesting non union labor or any other things in front of businesses / on the street. You can yell and shout and do whatever you want. You can't stop people from passing through. Hitting them in the wallet will probably get the point across.
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February 16, 2022, 04:29:21 PM |
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So they are breaking the law by blocking the roads. They are hurting businesses that need to have vehicles pass, and the government should do nothing?
On a better arrangement protesters I think make their intention to protest against certain issue known to the government and it is the responsibility of the government to secure and ensure that the protest is not violent and to secure protesters and the environment. Usually though where you see peaceful protest going south means the protest was hijacked by hoodlums and even highered anti to the protest (by the government) just to blackmail the protesters, converners and purpose of protest. These are politics that government use to run down the face of protest. They can pay people to join the protest and distablize the movement.
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February 16, 2022, 04:39:48 PM |
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So some of you might be aware about the ongoing truckers protest in Canada or so called Freedom Convoy against the fully vaccinated measures by Justin Trudeau.The truckers are protesting against this and beleive it to be monopoly and have put restrictions to their trade between the busy American-Canadian border Ambassadors Bridge.They need to be Fully vaccinated or they have to go through 14 days quarantine period which is what the protest are going for.
I am a little confused when I see the case that occurred in Canada, who is wrong and who is right in this case of course we don't know, on the other hand the Canadian government does its duty to protect the public from contracting Covid by vaccinating, but on the other hand it seems that the government is putting too much pressure on the people by requiring the vaccination and throwing away their right to be free, but whatever the government does, of course it has gone through the applicable mechanism and there is no government in the world in my opinion that wants to destroy the lives of its people, it is not wrong to refuse or protesting against vaccination, but carrying out a blockade that disrupts activities and public transportation, is clearly a mistake and the government must regulate it in my opinion.
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February 16, 2022, 04:52:45 PM |
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It’s unfortunate seeing this whole situation play out like we have over the past few weeks. Canada being a progressive country surprises me that they are going to take things that far that they’re willing to actually freeze peoples bank accounts. On the other hand blocking streets like they are is hazardous and as much as I support protesting, I don’t when it comes to potentially hurting others.’
It is clear what the Canadian government is doing will cause hatred against the government later, indeed vaccination is mandatory to prevent the spread of corona but the government should be able to approach the protesters in a dialogue rather than having to do stupid things like they are doing now, I think by freezing The protestors accounts will of course add to the burden of their lives and I think such actions will certainly trigger anarchic actions from the people who support the freedom convoy.
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February 16, 2022, 04:57:41 PM |
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also remember that exchanges are fail points. bitcoin is 100% traceable to an exchange and to your bank account.
Not in 100% of cases. Bitcoin can be also used anonymously if you know how. You just have to choose the right wallet and no KYC decentralized exchange. I know a good example - Crypton exchange from Utopia p2p https://twitter.com/UtopiaP2P/status/1480838807935078402?s=20 Following these steps no one could ever trace you. You can also switch to privacy coins.
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February 16, 2022, 05:04:35 PM |
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This incident clearly shows why we need Bitcoin and decentralization, if such a shameful thing is happening in a developed country that respects human rights like Canada, what can be said about the rest of the less civilized countries of the world? This is an immoral act by the Canadian government to confiscate the money of those people who carried out these peaceful demonstrations to demand their rights!!! Every day the need for Bitcoin appears more and more. Everyone should stand with these protesters and help them with everything we can through moral and material support as well. This can be done through support on social media as well as paying Bitcoin donations.
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February 16, 2022, 06:44:04 PM |
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Be part of the government's disapproval of donations given by not passing through the finance minister or bank in Kanda. So it can not take part in the large percentage of donations. The fact is that the Canadian government was late in responding so when there was a fundraising initiative they were not included.
A large amount of donations certainly feels unreliable when the government does not get a share, especially since the bank really doesn't like money laundering. So do not be surprised when freezing is done. It's ironic to see a government that usually does things like this.
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February 16, 2022, 07:36:18 PM |
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If governments are confident the vaccines are effective, why do they have to demand sanitary passports from workers to maintain their jobs and access to their territories? Theoretically only those who denied the vaccine are going to be prejudiced, so let them live accordingly to what they believe, consequently suffering the results of their personal choices.
On the other hand, trucks' drivers can't stop and sabotage the economy of a country where majority parcel of the population endorses the vaccination (80% are vaccinated). Furthermore, it's not positive for bitcoin the fact it's being used to sponsor these protests. OP mentioned 21 bitcoins were collected. That is a lot of money! Who would be interested in funding these activities with so large amounts of money which will indeed prejudice Canada's economy?
These protests seem to have nothing to do with "freedom", it's just another political agenda being pushed up making using of bitcoin and crypto in general as tool for its shady purposes in pursuit for political power and supremacy.
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February 16, 2022, 10:36:16 PM |
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I feel the nature and history of these protests should be more clearly highlighted and defined. They have a long history dating back to the occupy wallstreet movement. It was not widely publicized but occupy wallstreet had protestors who crazy glued themselves to shop windows. I think the craziest protestor story I saw was about a man who sat in the street and pounded a nail throw his scrotum into the pavement below. Performance artist Pyotr Pavlensky stages protest at 'apathy, political indifference and fatalism of Russian society'Red Square has seen a lot over the centuries, from public executions to giant military parades, but a performance artist broke new ground on Sunday when he nailed his scrotum to cobblestones in a painful act of protest. Pyotr Pavlensky said the protest was his response to Russia's descent into a "police state" and was timed to coincide with Police Day, which Russia's law enforcement officials celebrated on Sunday. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/11/artist-nails-testicles-red-square-pyotr-pavlensky These types of protests from around 2011 would appear to represent the genesis of current day protest movements like canadian truckers. Analyzing the basic history, helps it easier to draw accurate conclusions and understand what is happening here IMO.
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February 16, 2022, 11:28:18 PM |
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I'd have to say Bitcoin is to be thanked for putting an end to this type of restriction. Tallycoin collected the second funding for Canadian trucks, as I posted in my previous thread on Bitcoin a true censorship resistance, Tallycoin raised funds for Canadian trucks. I was following the updates and every goal raised funds that were smashed, but they kept increasing the goal, and at a point, I stopped updating the amount, but I believe they raised about 2,100,000,000 sats the last time I checked, but some small sats donations were still coming in. I just checked the page where the funds were raised, but it was gone, I'm not sure why but Gofundme has lost not just its user base, but also the community's confidence, and it's only a matter of time before they are replaced. The Protesters and donators have a right to sue Gofundme and the banks, similar thing happened in my country during the Endsars protest when some donations were made to support against killings of youth and the court ruled in their favor.
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