What economic sanctions will US impose on Russia

[gantez]

Kamala Harris (US Vice President) making some statement on the Russia and Ukraine problem said US and her aligns will impose unprecedented economic sanction on Russia if they continue to evade or attack Ukraine. So I'm wondering what kind of unprecedented economic sanction can be given to Russia if they continue to evade Ukraine.

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[dothebeats]

There isn't much to impose, and this is just the US flexing its muscles to Russia in an event of an invasion. They are not going to do anything, and if they did, it might send us ever closer to WW3. The US may restrict some imports to Russia, but the latter can just easily buy from someone else and the sanction is useless. Whatever type of sanction that is, Russia wouldn't flinch that's for sure. If there's a country Russia fears, it's certainly not the US because they know that the US will not do anything rash or serious.

[mobilestrike]

They will impose economic sanctions on them and will ask their allies to end their trade and business with Russia but what will European and the whole world do without the Russian petroleum products? If the Russian petroleum products will stop to enter the remaining world then all of the businesses and vehicles will stop on roads because only Arabic petroleum cannot fulfill the needs of the world and the prices will multiple a dozen or more. There will be a shortage.

[stompix]

So I'm wondering what kind of unprecedented economic sanction can be given to Russia if they continue to evade Ukraine.

There is a huge difference in what can and what is going to be done.
Most likely they will stick with technology access and investment and financial sanctions as well as probably a ban on some categories of goods for good.

Not much on paper but I will have to remind everyone, especially the guys that we're cheering how Huawei will piss on US sanctions that the king of 5G is selling his flagship smartphones without 5G as they are cut from that technology, and these are sanctions on a company, not a country.

I already know what people are going to say, but Russia will seek other trade partners, bla bla bla, they will replace the western trades with somebody else.
Yeah, they might try but the success will be limited, and it's simply because of the sizes of the economy, Russia if it will cut completely western trades they must import from other places, it's a 120 billion market which might sound tempting till you realize that just 3 countries like Thailand, Malezis and Brazil export that much to the US alone, not counting the EU. Will these risk throwing away 112 billion in exports in order to battle for a piece of a pie that is just 120 billion (for now as the ruble will most likely lose more value) in total? No.

So, with who are you going to trade, a block of countries with 28 trillion in GDP or a country with the economy size of the Netherlands alone?
The answer is pretty clear.

If the Russian petroleum products will stop to enter the remaining world then all of the businesses and vehicles will stop on roads because only Arabic petroleum cannot fulfill the needs of the world and the prices will multiple a dozen or more. There will be a shortage.

Use logic.
Russia needs to sell that oil or it will starve, they will try to sell it cheaper to partners that now buy Arabic oil like Asian countries, Europe will simply pay a bit more and Arabic countries will export the oil that was meant for Asia oil here. Oil is easy to transport, gas was and is the problem.

[PrivacyG]

Let's be honest.  If Russia invades Ukraine and all the punishment they get for it is economic sanctions, it is like a warm welcome for Russia on Ukraine's territory.  Almost like I tell you that if you beat me up, I will go tell my mommy about it.  Who cares.

I think I have heard of sanctions multiple times every year in the past decades so it almost never seemed to be a success.  I also agree Ukraine versus Russia beef being the spark of World War III is a very slim, almost zero chance.  Expect Russia to get what they want and United States to be OK with the sanctions they impose.

stompix, I do get your idea and it is an interesting outlook.  But does it not mean that limiting Russia's economical abilities and movements this much will only make them more threatening and hungry for territories and power?  Because at the end of the day, when the wolves get hungry, they go hunt their prey.

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PrivacyG

[mobilestrike]

So I'm wondering what kind of unprecedented economic sanction can be given to Russia if they continue to evade Ukraine.

There is a huge difference in what can and what is going to be done.
Most likely they will stick with technology access and investment and financial sanctions as well as probably a ban on some categories of goods for good.

Not much on paper but I will have to remind everyone, especially the guys that we're cheering how Huawei will piss on US sanctions that the king of 5G is selling his flagship smartphones without 5G as they are cut from that technology, and these are sanctions on a company, not a country.

I already know what people are going to say, but Russia will seek other trade partners, bla bla bla, they will replace the western trades with somebody else.
Yeah, they might try but the success will be limited, and it's simply because of the sizes of the economy, Russia if it will cut completely western trades they must import from other places, it's a 120 billion market which might sound tempting till you realize that just 3 countries like Thailand, Malezis and Brazil export that much to the US alone, not counting the EU. Will these risk throwing away 112 billion in exports in order to battle for a piece of a pie that is just 120 billion (for now as the ruble will most likely lose more value) in total? No.

So, with who are you going to trade, a block of countries with 28 trillion in GDP or a country with the economy size of the Netherlands alone?
The answer is pretty clear.

If the Russian petroleum products will stop to enter the remaining world then all of the businesses and vehicles will stop on roads because only Arabic petroleum cannot fulfill the needs of the world and the prices will multiple a dozen or more. There will be a shortage.

Use logic.
Russia needs to sell that oil or it will starve, they will try to sell it cheaper to partners that now buy Arabic oil like Asian countries, Europe will simply pay a bit more and Arabic countries will export the oil that was meant for Asia oil here. Oil is easy to transport, gas was and is the problem.

After sanctions there will be very less countries remain with Russia because other countries will not want to get the anger of USA and the Arabic countries are unable alone to fill the needs of the whole world. There is a full pipeline spread to the whole Europe for natural gas what will they do if that line is cut off. Russia do not rely alone on petroleum but they have more source of income.

Just remember a few years ago when Russia denied to supply the aluminum to the remaining world then there was a huge shortage created. The car manufacturers were very disturbed and the price of cars spiked.

That is another product which the world need.

I am in the favor of peace and want that Russia do not attack on Ukraine but that is just a reality of the fact about this discussion which I want to clear.

[Jastetad]

Kamala Harris (US Vice President) making some statement on the Russia and Ukraine problem said US and her aligns will impose unprecedented economic sanction on Russia if they continue to evade or attack Ukraine. So I'm wondering what kind of unprecedented economic sanction can be given to Russia if they continue to evade Ukraine.

It is hard to impose sanctions on major powers. Just like America imposed tax on Huawei and that sanction made them independent. First they were dependent on android and this sanction taught them to make their own software. That was a company from a major power now it show us what a major power will do after sanctions.

So I'm wondering what kind of unprecedented economic sanction can be given to Russia if they continue to evade Ukraine.

There is a huge difference in what can and what is going to be done.
Most likely they will stick with technology access and investment and financial sanctions as well as probably a ban on some categories of goods for good.

Not much on paper but I will have to remind everyone, especially the guys that we're cheering how Huawei will piss on US sanctions that the king of 5G is selling his flagship smartphones without 5G as they are cut from that technology, and these are sanctions on a company, not a country.

I already know what people are going to say, but Russia will seek other trade partners, bla bla bla, they will replace the western trades with somebody else.
Yeah, they might try but the success will be limited, and it's simply because of the sizes of the economy, Russia if it will cut completely western trades they must import from other places, it's a 120 billion market which might sound tempting till you realize that just 3 countries like Thailand, Malezis and Brazil export that much to the US alone, not counting the EU. Will these risk throwing away 112 billion in exports in order to battle for a piece of a pie that is just 120 billion (for now as the ruble will most likely lose more value) in total? No.

So, with who are you going to trade, a block of countries with 28 trillion in GDP or a country with the economy size of the Netherlands alone?
The answer is pretty clear.

If the Russian petroleum products will stop to enter the remaining world then all of the businesses and vehicles will stop on roads because only Arabic petroleum cannot fulfill the needs of the world and the prices will multiple a dozen or more. There will be a shortage.

Use logic.
Russia needs to sell that oil or it will starve, they will try to sell it cheaper to partners that now buy Arabic oil like Asian countries, Europe will simply pay a bit more and Arabic countries will export the oil that was meant for Asia oil here. Oil is easy to transport, gas was and is the problem.

+1 for your research.

After reading this post I also agree that there will be a exchange in the trade agreements and and from your post I can imagine that yes Russia may face some difficulties.
At least America can stop them from any attack on Ukraine.

[stompix]

After sanctions there will be very less countries remain with Russia because other countries will not want to get the anger of USA and the Arabic countries are unable alone to fill the needs of the whole world. There is a full pipeline spread to the whole Europe for natural gas what will they do if that line is cut off. Russia do not rely alone on petroleum but they have more source of income.

Oh, just 60% of their exports and 30% of the GDP, if that is not relying then I don't know what it is.
Also, you're mistaken on one thing, that oil needs to somehow keep being dispatched to all countries, no it doesn't, there is demand and offer, once the price of oil hits 150$ who do you think will afford to pay 2 euros for one liter of gas, Europe or India? 
If oil becomes that expensive simply some will shut down, thus driving demand down and...majik!

stompix, I do get your idea and it is an interesting outlook.  But does it not mean that limiting Russia's economical abilities and movements this much will only make them more threatening and hungry for territories and power?  Because at the end of the day, when the wolves get hungry, they go hunt their prey.

The wolves will first eat each other, just like in the 80's after Brezhnev died of illness his two successors Andropov and Chernenko died also off illness in less than two years each, not mentioning two of his proposed successors Kulakov and Suslov also died of illness just as Tsvigun of cancer.
Those were other times when windows in Russia were better built and people couldn't fall from the 8th story of a 4 levels high building.
Sanctions won't bite that much the poor poeple, they just need a house and basic food, that can be achieved, but it will destroy the elites that make millions from oil and gas deals, all those on the payroll of huge Russian companies.

It is hard to impose sanctions on major powers. Just like America imposed tax on Huawei and that sanction made them independent. First they were dependent on android and this sanction taught them to make their own software. That was a company from a major power now it show us what a major power will do after sanctions.

Yeah..but no! 

[eaLiTy]

Kamala Harris (US Vice President) making some statement on the Russia and Ukraine problem said US and her aligns will impose unprecedented economic sanction on Russia if they continue to evade or attack Ukraine. So I'm wondering what kind of unprecedented economic sanction can be given to Russia if they continue to evade Ukraine.

US is building this narrative for a long time and they even set a timeline on when the war would begin as if they are like forecasting a war  . The same narrative they used when US was planning to invade Iraq that they have deadly weapons and the media spread those propaganda for weeks and then all of a sudden they pack their bags and set foot on Iraq and destroyed that country basically and could not find any weapon.

US had imposed sanctions in Russia for decades and the narrative continues, in the past two decade how many countries Russia invaded and destroyed and US invaded and destroyed will give you the real picture what is going on, even the Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelenskyy asked US to stop escalating issues which are not present in his country and still the US media is running around claiming that a war is inevitable  .

[davis196]

The US sanctions will be pointed towards the oligarchs,who are close to Putin.
They will most likely repeat and supplement the sanctions,that were imposed back in 2014,when Russia invaded Crimea.
The Russian companies will be banned from doing business in the USA and holding any funds in US bank accounts.The EU might impose the same sanctions as well.Perhaps some rich Russians will be kicked out of the western world and they won't be allowed to visit western countries anymore.
I don't think that any western country would stop Russia from exporting oil,natural gas,metals and raw materials.This would be an economic suicide.

[gantez]

I think I have heard of sanctions multiple times every year in the past decades so it almost never seemed to be a success.  I also agree Ukraine versus Russia beef being the spark of World War III is a very slim, almost zero chance.  Expect Russia to get what they want and United States to be OK with the sanctions they impose.

Yes can this just be what is coming to our faces at this present time. Is this what is coming? , if this issue not resolved? I see that US is not relaxing on the threat of sanction and we Russia dare them by going ahead, can that be it? US talking about aligns and certain it is that Russia will have her aligns too and both aligns may see this opportunity to sell weapons. And within the aligns,they may disagree.

[stompix]

US is building this narrative for a long time and they even set a timeline on when the war would begin as if they are like forecasting a war  .

Russia can destroy that narrative pretty easy, they've said they are sending their troops home after the exercise, they've said their troops are withdrawing, they've said they will not invade so all that is left is for them to actually not invade and they will prove the US wrong.
But what would be a topic about Russia without common style whataboutism propaganda, a lot of it?

I don't think that any western country would stop Russia from exporting oil,natural gas,metals and raw materials.This would be an economic suicide.

Hmm, my history book tells me that when the two blocks didn't trade even 10% of what they do now Europe was doing pretty well while the URSS went bankrupt, just like Russia did once more in 1998. So it's either that my book is wrong or something miraculous happened from 1945 to 1990 and made Europe not just survive but prosper without Russian resources.
Do you have a theory why it wouldn't be the case again?   

[YOSHIE]

So I'm wondering what kind of unprecedented economic sanction can be given to Russia if they continue to evade Ukraine.

Sanctions: United States strategies to make sanctions against a country are economic, political, bank or stock market sanctions that can cause severe inflation to the country, it's US method and Strategy, however, it applies to other weak countries, as we know US officials will take action against Russia for invading Ukraine, US will plan to burden Russia's economy.

Wait a minute, Russia is not a weak country, Russia is a superpower, they are not afraid of sanctions and threats from US officials, history has proven until now that Russia is not easy to give up in this matter, if the US does as I said above Russia can hit back and hit the US economy, as I know gas for Europe is supplied from Russia, they can cut shipping and increase cyber attacks on European and US infrastructure too, they are not the type to submit to other countries, they have the weapons to counterattack their opponents.

In my opinion, if the US can impose sanctions on Russia, Russia can counterattack, they will destroy global economic stability.
conclusion: the sanctions that the US wants to carry out against Russia could have a bad impact globally including America, America picked the wrong opponent this time.

[cabron]

There isn't much to impose, and this is just the US flexing its muscles to Russia in an event of an invasion. They are not going to do anything, and if they did, it might send us ever closer to WW3. The US may restrict some imports to Russia, but the latter can just easily buy from someone else and the sanction is useless. Whatever type of sanction that is, Russia wouldn't flinch that's for sure. If there's a country Russia fears, it's certainly not the US because they know that the US will not do anything rash or serious.

They tried that already, no sanctions will work for Russia. They can do it as they did to most countries ever to US allies but they didn't sanction Russia GAS that is imported to the US.

There will be many threats to Russia as it always will be and it's surprising now that it comes from an unwanted vice president of the US, is she trying to win the people's vote at the expense of Russia's invasion hype?  The supposed date of invasion on Feb16 was 4 days ago, wake up, Kamala.

[Captain Corporate]

 I am pretty sure that Russia is aware of what could be done, and if they ever attack Ukraine then I am pretty sure that they will do it knowingly. Not like they would just attack Ukraine and when USA put sanctions they would suddenly be shocked about it, we are all aware that the USA will do something about it and if we are then Putin definitely does know it as well. So if they ever do it, then they will do it knowing there will be consequences and they are willing to face those consequences as well. All in all I would be delighted to hear what Russians want out of this and not just their government, because sanctions will hurt the citizens more than the politicians.

[Gyfts]

The sanctions will be minor, won't target major financial institutions of Russia, and then the American politicians can go back to their citizens and tell them they're being tough on Russia as the Russian army slaughters Ukrainians. The Russians control a lot of the oil exported to European countries, the incentive exists to not make them upset.

[mindrust]

Kamala Harris (US Vice President) making some statement on the Russia and Ukraine problem said US and her aligns will impose unprecedented economic sanction on Russia if they continue to evade or attack Ukraine. So I'm wondering what kind of unprecedented economic sanction can be given to Russia if they continue to evade Ukraine.

They will kick them out of SWIFT and stop there probably. The thing is the US can't do more. Biden already said that they are not going to send troops to Ukraine to fight Russia if Russia invades Ukraine.

You can't do much against a nuclear force as long as they don't threaten you directly. Getting kicked out of SWIFT would benefit Russia more in the end ironically because the USD will lose another customer.

[DrBeer]

The sanctions will apply to:
1. Financial markets, in the first place - borrowing, and transactions with government shares of the Russian Federation.
2. Locked in the supply of high-tech solutions - chips, systems, microelectronics, etc. In this direction, Russia is 20 years behind, and without Western electronics, entire segments will stop, including the military-industrial complex and the space program.
3. And be sure to be locked up on the supply of equipment and technologies for the extraction of gas and oil - you will laugh, but Russia does not have its own, integrated technologies for the extraction of oil and gas. Russia owns only the technologies for extracting oil and gas at shallow depths, but these reserves have almost run out, and already "today" it is necessary to start developing new ones, with deeper deposits.
4. And of course, a ban on the supply of dual-use technologies.

An oil and gas embargo is unlikely to be introduced now - it is necessary to prepare the infrastructure to supply the part of the EU that depends on Russian gas. After that, an embargo is possible.

[evilgreed]

               How troublesome this issue about Russia and Ukraine has become. It is causing huge effects in many oarts of the world economically already. I really hope this issue mellows down and doesn't reach a pint where US really does have to make such actions towards Russia. This will only do more harm than good IMHO. One thing that the US might do when things reach to a certain point is something like what google did to Huawei. Restricting some services or goods that the US and some allied countries provide. Man, what the hell is happening to the world. One problem after another, it just never ends.

[Taskford]

Kamala Harris (US Vice President) making some statement on the Russia and Ukraine problem said US and her aligns will impose unprecedented economic sanction on Russia if they continue to evade or attack Ukraine. So I'm wondering what kind of unprecedented economic sanction can be given to Russia if they continue to evade Ukraine.

The possible economic sanction we might see on Russia is US and other allied country will stop dealing with Russian product also with other services. And this is totally huge if US allied country will follow but I don't think Russian government are afraid on this since remember they also have allies and most provably they don't need US since they are already have ways to boost up there economy that's why there government is brave towards decision making on what they think beneficial to them.