Ledger Nano X - Black box 2022

[tehrancrypto]

Guys, I was reading this observation on Reddit

As you might have heard Ledger released a new or Re-brand ledger nano x  - with black box! Well, reading this post on reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/sclh51/ledger_nano_x_black_box_2022_vs_ledger_nano_x/
does not seem to be much difference.
Now I have got few questions....

Is this black box, same shit, in different wrap?
Has anyone got same battery problem with this?
Has go this one a different hardware on?
Let me know your thoughts / info on it.

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[Lucius]

Ledger just changed the color of the box, as far as I can see from the comments there are no changes as far as the device is concerned - except that the price is higher than before. As for the battery on the Nano X, some still report the same problems...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/src94p/ledger_nano_x_dead_on_arrival_have_been_unable_to/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/sq017s/super_frustrated_doa_nano_x/

[dkbit98]

Is this black box, same shit, in different wrap?

Yes, it's exactly the same shit, without any real changes on device.
Black boxes are starting to ship along with new ledger logo that is also following new redesigned website.

Has anyone got same battery problem with this?

Yes there are still issues with batteries on nono X devices even with new black boxes.
If you don't trust me, you can check out their reddit page and find all complains from customers.
Along with battery we have new problems with devices acting crazy, making it impossible to enter PIN code for your accounts.
Here is fresh example from today - Ledger Nano X Battery not working:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/syv0ki/ledger_nano_x_battery_not_working/

Has go this one a different hardware on?

No it's the same crap inside, with closed source code and new L logo on metal.
They had to justify recent price increase somehow :/

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Is this black box, same shit, in different wrap?

Yes, it's exactly the same shit, without any real changes on device.

Well one real change on the device is a change in the intensity or brightness of the display--and I swear, each time Ledger has messed around with that, it ends up being harder to see what I'm entering for my PIN.  I've said this before in other threads: I don't like it when companies change their user interface for no reason, because the end result is that customers are invariably dissatisfied. 

Why?  Because all those people in the middle of the bell curve prefer a consistent user interface, not one that makes you learn how to perform the same menial functions all over again every time the company fucks with it.  Ebay is a great example of a website that just keeps getting worse for no rational reason.

Some folks might complain that bitcointalk's look is like a disco revival, but I bet if Theymos was constantly tweaking little things here and there, we'd be hearing about five times as many bitches howling.

Anyone have any idea why Ledger needs to have so many updates?

[candoopronl]

I have investigated both models from 2021 and 2022. And I see that they have modified the design of battery / chipset.
I will right a post on it soon.

[zasad@]

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NANO X COINBASE EDITION
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@CoinbaseWallet now supports @Ledger hardware wallets.
https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/1496231873949102080?

[PrivacyG]

@CoinbaseWallet now supports @Ledger hardware wallets.

Wait.  How is this supposed to work?  Hardware wallet with KYC enabled Coinbase does not seem like a working combination.  Am I missing something?

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Regards,
PrivacyG

[Lucius]

Anyone have any idea why Ledger needs to have so many updates?

So that jerry0 could ask even more questions and feed his paranoia

I don't keep track of how often Ledger has a firmware update for S&X, but I know that in the past people have complained that there are too few of them (1-2 per year). As for the S model, the last firmware was released on November 30, 2021, and for model X the latest was released on January 25, 2022, before that on October 21, 2021.

I don't think it's necessarily bad, which means they're working on fixing bugs and adding new features - but no one is forcing you to upgrade your firmware if you don't want to.

[tehrancrypto]

Is there a possibility soon the new firmware does not work anymore with older hardware (i.e. lder wallet)? Then it is a risk! Like Apple that at some point you have no choice than buying a new phone.....

[Lucius]

This is always possible, although unlikely in the near future - because the S model was if I'm not mistaken, created in 2016 and still has support, while the X is more recent and should have support for at least another 5+ years. You have to accept that these devices will become obsolete at some point, but that is the fate of all electronic devices, whether they are smartphones, TVs, or hardware wallets.

[Pmalek]

I don't think they made significant improvements or hardware changes, otherwise they would be marketing and shilling it as crazy. I just went through some of their most recent social media posts and there is no mention of any improvements to the Nano X. 

Whether it now sells in a white or black box, the device costs €149 if shipped within the EU. It's still the same old thing.

[Lucius]

Whether it now sells in a white or black box, the device costs €149 if shipped within the EU. It's still the same old thing.

When I remember that I bought my X for about $90 at the end of 2019 (35% discount for Black Friday), I wonder how the price is even higher than then - but obviously, we pay extra prices for this pandemic. I was recently quite surprised by the price of a device I bought about a year ago, and its price is even 10% higher than then - although a new model has appeared on the market.

[Pmalek]

When I remember that I bought my X for about $90 at the end of 2019 (35% discount for Black Friday), I wonder how the price is even higher than then -

A combination of several factors probably. You mentioned the pandemic. That's certainly one element. The global chip shortage is another one. Inflation and its effect on prices is felt almost everywhere. And Ledger has spent plenty of money on promotions, marketing, and shills recently. Someone has to pay for all that and that would be their customers.     

[candoopronl]

Here is finally a full review on Ledger Nano X (rebranded - made in 2022) vs. Classical one made of 2021.

You might be aware of the disaster had happened to Ledger during 2021 in the production of Ledger Nano X. I refer particularly to the huge problem around the defective battery of the Ledger Nano X product. This left Ledger with no solution other than changing the brand, logo, color of the packaging – to help them go out of this big issue. Everybody wonders what else has been done through this transition, if any, in addition to the new appearance of Ledger Nano X to solve the issue with the damaged batteries. Here we are going to discover those changes. To our knowledge, this is the first review being published to compare the Ledger Nano X model of 2022 with the Ledger Nano X model of 2021.

Detail of the changes are reported here: https://ledgernano.net/ledger-nano-x-2022-new-logo-vs-ledger-nano-x-2021-old-logo/

Here is the list of changes:
 
Appearance: Packaging

Appearance: New ledger logo on the product - You can see it here: https://ledgernano.net/ledger-nano-x-2022-new-logo-vs-ledger-nano-x-2021-old-logo/

Retail price (gone up from 119 euros to 149 euros - for model 2021, and 2022, respectively)
 
Firmware (2.0 for model 2022 - vs. 1. for model 2021)

Screen brightness: Better screen in version 2022 (black box)
https://preview.redd.it/nhujdlbgg8k81.png?width=1320&format=png&auto=webp&s=7612d8b7b40d2242cb24937f4f21e798e73687d8


Chipset board or motherboard: See the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9QNULKVz_0

Battery connection design has completely changed:  https://preview.redd.it/iwupe4lfg8k81.png?width=1244&format=png&auto=webp&s=c4e4fb7c766f161192a319b6d8db9a163d203b4f

[dkbit98]

Everybody wonders what else has been done through this transition, if any, in addition to the new appearance of Ledger Nano X to solve the issue with the damaged batteries. Here we are going to discover those changes.

With all due respect but battery issue is not fixed with new black boxes and new internal design.
I keep seeing people make post everyday complaining how their ledge model X device is not working, not charging or going crazy making it unusable until restart.

Here is one guy posting today that he can't start his new New Ledger Nano X device:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/t215tk/new_ledger_nano_x_does_not_start/

One more post from today about new nono X device not working, it's frozen showing battery reading:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/t20f8l/new_bought_ladger_nano_x/

Another one posted today.... device won't even connect to pc:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/t22a2m/ledger_x_wont_connect_to_pc/

There are much more similar posts every day, but I can't post them all the time.
My conclusion is that nothing is fixed with ledger X no matter the color of their box or maybe we should wait on orange box now  

[PX-Z]

@CoinbaseWallet now supports @Ledger hardware wallets.

Wait.  How is this supposed to work?  Hardware wallet with KYC enabled Coinbase does not seem like a working combination.  Am I missing something?

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Regards,
PrivacyG

Coinbase wallet is non custodial wallet, unlike its exchange that needs an account where you can buy crypto which needss kyc.
Although there is feature to link your coinbase account to your coinbase wallet but they are completely different. So using HW to your coinbase wallet is somewhat reasonable.

[zasad@]

@CoinbaseWallet now supports @Ledger hardware wallets.

Wait.  How is this supposed to work?  Hardware wallet with KYC enabled Coinbase does not seem like a working combination.  Am I missing something?

-
Regards,
PrivacyG

Unfortunately, today it is impossible to trade on American exchanges without the KYC procedure. A hardware wallet will give you extra security, but at any time you can reset and use your hardware wallet to trade on decentralized exchanges.

[Pmalek]

This left Ledger with no solution other than changing the brand, logo, color of the packaging – to help them go out of this big issue.

What a weird way to fix problems. Is this what they are saying or are you saying that? Changing the color, logo, and looks of the device won't make the hardware problems go away. That's a wrong approach to problem solving.
 

Screen brightness: Better screen in version 2022 (black box)

The characters on the new model do look better and sharper. But that was never the biggest problem and shouldn't have been a primary concern. 

Battery connection design has completely changed:

Only time will tell if these modifications will get rid of the battery problems. dkbit98 already found a few users reporting various problems. Although we can't be sure they got the new 2022 versions. It doesn't say that in their posts, unless they explained it further down in the reddit discussion.

Not a bad little review you made there. I would have preferred you turned the devices on and worked with them a little. 

[candoopronl]

This left Ledger with no solution other than changing the brand, logo, color of the packaging – to help them go out of this big issue.

What a weird way to fix problems. Is this what they are saying or are you saying that? Changing the color, logo, and looks of the device won't make the hardware problems go away. That's a wrong approach to problem solving.
 

Screen brightness: Better screen in version 2022 (black box)

The characters on the new model do look better and sharper. But that was never the biggest problem and shouldn't have been a primary concern. 

Battery connection design has completely changed:

Only time will tell if these modifications will get rid of the battery problems. dkbit98 already found a few users reporting various problems. Although we can't be sure they got the new 2022 versions. It doesn't say that in their posts, unless they explained it further down in the reddit discussion.

Not a bad little review you made there. I would have preferred you turned the devices on and worked with them a little. 

I did not say rebranding solve the problem. However I say:
This is known that companies do rebrand after such a big failure... if ledger did it due to different reason, it was only a bad timing.
I guess, new firmware solved pretty much a lot when it comes to battery problem.

[dkbit98]

I guess, new firmware solved pretty much a lot when it comes to battery problem.

I will repeat again - new firmware solved NOTHING, and to make things worse it is now breaking devices and making them unusable!
This is probably one of the worst devices I ever saw in my life, in regards with updating firmware and issue this creates.
This is just a big and messy lottery and I am glad I don't own one of this nono X devices...
Posted in last 24 hours:

Ledger Bricked after Firmware Update
https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/t2tdib/ledger_bricked_after_firmware_update/

Trying to solve this battery charging issue, I just updated the firm ware
https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/t31npk/trying_to_solve_this_battery_charging_issue_i/

installed new firmware now ledger x nano wont charge?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/t30z99/installed_new_firmware_now_ledger_x_nano_wont/

Nano X help needed
https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/t2y2lv/nano_x_help_needed/