Russia - Ukraine | War imminent?

[mk4]

As more market uncertainty arises due to the possibility of a war, probably expect more draw-downs across the board(stocks, crypto). It doesn't help that Putin is apparently going bollocks. I mean, those statements just gives me chills.  Imo it's the season to be defensive, rather than to make as much gains as possible, with altcoins being a really really bad pick.

With that said, prayers and best wishes to our Ukranian friends. Stay safe.


 

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[adaseb]

Yes the stuff he says is hard to believe. You almost think who ever wrote it is making it up. Feel bad for all those people out there. Didn’t really think it would come to this but looking at what’s going on in the airport it all became a reality.

Hopefully he will come to his senses sooner than later so people don’t have to die due to this conflict, we will know more tomorrow when Biden steps in and hopefully calls an end to this. Going to be a long night.

[dothebeats]

That announcement from Putin really says something about his decision on this whole affair. It's as if he knew from the get-go that nations will not be wary in meddling with the Russian-Ukraine conflict, and that he can easily go his own way to invade Ukraine without any oppositions. The markets will surely plunge more drastically in the coming days, and it has already been started by oil prices plunging. How the rest of the world reacts to this will be a deciding factor on where the markets will go, that's for sure.

[TravelMug]

Yes the stuff he says is hard to believe. You almost think who ever wrote it is making it up. Feel bad for all those people out there. Didn’t really think it would come to this but looking at what’s going on in the airport it all became a reality.

Hopefully he will come to his senses sooner than later so people don’t have to die due to this conflict, we will know more tomorrow when Biden steps in and hopefully calls an end to this. Going to be a long night.

Yeah, I thought that the war can still be averted by dialogues. But we all know how hardline Putin is, so it's really scary that he has started to move troops and mobilised them.

The market is down obviously because of this news and there are a lot of uncertainties for our Ukrainian brothers down in there.

[cabron]

CNN is the worst news channel to believe in. Russia had never tried attacking, Putin was even trying to keep the diplomatic talks while the news channels just aren't stopping. But all this warmongering is just about the GAS pipeline from Russia to Germany for it to stop and that Europe will still be siding US. There is no imminent war.

The date that was cited by the US intelligence was Feb 16. No war but now more Sanctions to Russia.

If the US stops this Nordstream pipeline, Putin will just turn their gas to Bitcoin by using the gas for electricity and mine BTC and there will be no stopping them. What the US government should just do is make business deals with Russia as they did with China. It's all the world needs and not create Russia as the bogeyman because that Build Back Broke project has to run.

Prices of stock and Crypto was going down before this war drums are pounded. We know inflation goes because of the printing and debts rising long before this UKraine-Russia.

[stompix]

CNN is the worst news channel to believe in. Russia had never tried attacking, Putin was even trying to keep the diplomatic talks while the news channels just aren't stopping. But all this warmongering is just about the GAS pipeline from Russia to Germany for it to stop and that Europe will still be siding US. There is no imminent war.

Yeha right!
Aren't you ashamed at licking that piece of shit propaganda directly from Putin's source?
So a country decided they don't want to deal with you, then what do you do, invade them?
If I want to go drinking with you and you don't want to then I'm totally in my right to beat the crap out of you, rape your wife, and loot all your belongings cause we had a deal of going to drink?

Aren't you even ashamed coming here with this sickening disgusting and full of lies kgb propaganda while Russia kills poeple in a war you're saying is not happening? Find a ditch, please!

As more market uncertainty arises due to the possibility of a war, probably expect more draw-downs across the board(stocks, crypto). It doesn't help that Putin is apparently going bollocks. I mean, those statements just gives me chills.

Well, let's hope he will stop with just the annexation of the two regions and leaving Ukraine under some puppet leader.
Unfortunately, this madman might have some others plans, and probably if nothing major that could deter him happens Moldova is done for too.
They already have a  separatist region there, Transnistria, they have Russian-speaking citizens so he will invest some genocide or fascists to get that territory too and we're back to URSS borders.

The markets will surely plunge more drastically in the coming days, and it has already been started by oil prices plunging.

You meant jumping through the roof! 
Let's see where the equilibrium is, when fuel becomes way too expensive and demands go down.
Higher fuel prices will piss off a lot of countries that would have liked to stay neutral on this whole issue

[mk4]

*snip*

I really really despise mainstream media platforms such as CNBC and CNN; heck — probably magnitudes more than you do, but you probably need to take off your tinfoil hat if you think that today's events are just manufactured by CNN.

[Argoo]

I live in Ukraine. According to the news, at 4:30 am today, Putin gave the order to attack Ukraine. The attack took place on the side of the Russian border, as well as on the side of the Belarusian border. Explosions are shown in different cities of Ukraine, as well as Kiev. They hit airports, ammunition depots and other critical infrastructure. The armed forces of Ukraine entered the battle. Let's see what happens next.
We have just heard that a Russian fighter jet has been shot down over Ukraine.

[Gyfts]

I was rather surprised at people saying that BTC would not tumble in price with a war breaking out between Russia and Ukraine. The markets all move together, especially during uncertain times. The banking systems of Ukraine have apparently been attacked, so even if there had been motive for Ukrainians to adopt BTC, their economy was never big enough for it to matter.

[mk4]

I live in Ukraine. According to the news, at 4:30 am today, Putin gave the order to attack Ukraine. The attack took place on the side of the Russian border, as well as on the side of the Belarusian border. Explosions are shown in different cities of Ukraine, as well as Kiev. They hit airports, ammunition depots and other critical infrastructure. The armed forces of Ukraine entered the battle. Let's see what happens next.
We have just heard that a Russian fighter jet has been shot down over Ukraine.

Do you mind creating a separate topic so we know what's going on in Ukraine in a civilian's point of view? Would appreciate it.

I was rather surprised at people saying that BTC would not tumble in price with a war breaking out between Russia and Ukraine. The markets all move together, especially during uncertain times. The banking systems of Ukraine have apparently been attacked, so even if there had been motive for Ukrainians to adopt BTC, their economy was never big enough for it to matter.

My response to a different thread like 30 minutes ago:

Bitcoin — despite it being built for situations like this, in the end is still classified as a sort of "risk on" asset. So if markets in general continue to go down, bitcoin and the cryptocurrency markets will go down with them. Tried and tested safe haven assets such as gold are likely to outperform.

[Kakmakr]

I live in Ukraine. According to the news, at 4:30 am today, Putin gave the order to attack Ukraine. The attack took place on the side of the Russian border, as well as on the side of the Belarusian border. Explosions are shown in different cities of Ukraine, as well as Kiev. They hit airports, ammunition depots and other critical infrastructure. The armed forces of Ukraine entered the battle. Let's see what happens next.
We have just heard that a Russian fighter jet has been shot down over Ukraine.

Thank you for busting the FUD that are being spread around the world.    Can you give us constant updates on the things happening there and how your government are dealing with this? Do you see any foreign troops entering your country... or are this just your own army fighting by themselves?

I hope the rest of the world will do anything in their power to prevent a full scale war, because there are no winners in a war. Also, please give us a bit of background on why Russia is so focused on invading the Ukraine?

May God be with you in these terrible times.   

[_act_]

We have just heard that a Russian fighter jet has been shot down over Ukraine.

I am getting the news live on BBC and I believe this is correct than anything Russia will be saying. Ukrainian armed forces say they have shot down five Russian planes but Russia defense minister says it's aircraft were were not shot down. The whole thing is confusing but I think the defense minister can be denying this.

Said the streets of Kyiv is now quiet this morning, more military personnel are seen more than it has been.


https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60454795

On the streets of Kyiv this morning it is quiet and more military personnel are noticeable than would usually be seen here.
One tourist told us his hostel had thrown him out after air raid sirens and warnings were sounded by the government here.
He's not the only one with suitcases on the streets - some people told us that they didn't know what to do. Many didn't want to stop and talk as they hurried onwards.
Others told us they had lost connectivity on their mobile phones.
There are reports of queues in supermarkets and we have seen people withdrawing money at ATMs "just in case"..

[Jating]

Russia adoption if Bitcoin was to fund for the war since the world is in a state bof recession.
Prior to this invasion, I think Ukraine had this foresight and adopted bitcoin since most banks will be shut down during this invasion.
Bitcoin has a role to play in all of this happening.

Well there are news that Russia might circumvent US and West sanctions by going to bitcoin.

But I think this is just all speculation at this point, it seems that Putin has a hard line stance on crypto so he might be contracting himself if he suddenly goes to bitcoin to fight the sanctions.

As for the war, we already felt the effect, I was surprised to see the price when I woke up. But the news of the imminent war is all over so I told my self that the drop has something to do with this geo-political news.

[Frengki_cisco]

Today i got news from ukraine, i have family living in ukraine, bad news from ukraine government all citizens close to the border must be evacuated.
I suggest my family to go back to india, they also have some crypto assets that have not been sold, this is bad news russia wants to attack ukraine, basically they are brothers, I also see today crypto is going down very fast, I hope this war doesn't get worse for the crypto world.

[ivankoh]

But the news of the imminent war is all over so I told my self that the drop has something to do with this geo-political news.

Obviously that happened.  Right at the moment the news that Putin authorized the special military wave, the entire market quickly reacted to that panic, the 1 and 4 o'clock candles showed mostly liquidation.  Bitcoin has fallen below $35k to its lowest price since the big correction in January but I think bitcoin will be the next key in the economic downturn associated with this absurd war plot.  Some air strikes are probably going on and pray for the innocent people, the trauma, the misery

[NeuroticFish]

Well there are news that Russia might circumvent US and West sanctions by going to bitcoin.

Most big international companies won't accept Bitcoin for their goods.
The financial institutions who have lent money to Russia may not accept Bitcoin.
All this should make the Ruble fall greatly, hence each and every Russian will suffer.
Russia still needs money and goods from international markets and that money will become expensive.

What I don't know is whether Europe will still buy Russian resources (especially gas), especially at the current prices, or will afford to hit Russia where it hurts them the most, especially as European industries also won't be happy without the Russian gas.

The politics will be strange on the energy side, and I guess that this is also what Putin is counting on.
I fear that the European green deal was the best help/ammo Putin has gotten for this war...

[bakasabo]

What I don't know is whether Europe will still buy Russian resources (especially gas), especially at the current prices, or will afford to hit Russia where it hurts them the most, especially as European industries also won't be happy without the Russian gas.

About the gas - does Europe has an alternative source? If I am right, then main gas providers in the world are US, Russia and Qatar. Are there other gas connections for Europe except Russian?

Without Russian gas, Europe will be hit by another crisis. And without export and gas surplus, Russian people will simply get a cheaper gas for themselves, or be in more winning situation.

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War imminent? As a European, I have already received a booklet "what to do in the case of crisis during first 72h". Military actions on Ukraine territory started today and the booklets were instantly issues. That was quick.

[NeuroticFish]

About the gas - does Europe has an alternative source? If I am right, then main gas providers in the world are US, Russia and Qatar. Are there other gas connections for Europe except Russian?

Without Russian gas, Europe will be hit by another crisis. And without export and gas surplus, Russian people will simply get a cheaper gas for themselves, or be in more winning situation.

They claim they have some reserves and also alternative sources - LNG from US, new deals with Qatar (I don't know how it'll be transported), and I also have this rather complicated map: https://mondediplo.com/maps/gas-pipelines
Some European countries do produce gas too.

But is that enough? I also don't think so, hence my point about the future strange politics on the energy side.

What I don't agree with is that if gas from Russia is no longer accepted, then the Russians would win. Win what? Will they be eating that cheaper gas? Clearly no. So I don't think so.

[bakasabo]

What I don't agree with is that if gas from Russia is no longer accepted, then the Russians would win. Win what? Will they be eating that cheaper gas? Clearly no. So I don't think so.

I am not an expert and far from politics and this might sound controversial. But what resources and goods other countries have, that Russia dont have or feel the need? Except money. Russia got luck with their territory. From school program, I remember that Russian territory has all the resources from periodic table. They have resources to produce everything. If we start to dream about alternative future, then Russia can isolate themselves from other world and survive or live for a very long period.

P.S. I meant that they dont eat cheap gas, but will make it cheap for their people. If no one buys, they will be forced to sell it for a low price for themselves.

[NeuroticFish]

But what resources and goods other countries have, that Russia dont have or feel the need?

Well, take a quick look: https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/imports
From machinery, equipment, trucks and cars to clothing, medicines, raw materials (metals) and food.

The only thing is that they can probably still import most of those from China...

From school program, I remember that Russian territory has all the resources from periodic table.

I can't tell, the periodic table seems to have widened since I've been learning about it.
Rare metals - do Russia has those? Lithium for batteries - do they have those? I see that even ferous metals are imported big.

They have resources to produce everything. If we start to dream about alternative future, then Russia can isolate themselves from other world and survive or live for a very long period.

They don't have the factories nor the technology to produce absolutely everything they need. And even if they build that up, it may end up worse quality (or look) then the western similar products and also much more expensive.

P.S. I meant that they dont eat cheap gas, but will make it cheap for their people. If no one buys, they will be forced to sell it for a low price for themselves.

It's not feasible. The population's consumption cannot match all they can sell abroad for the industries. They would have to build factories producing stuff off that gas. The fact that they didn't do that in the past many years, it means that it's probably not a good business for them.
Probably it will be more feasible to reduce the production and sell as expensive as they can.