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February 25, 2022, 01:23:13 PM |
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Yesterday the American president made speech and announcing sanctions against Russia for starting a war on Ukraine. He made a statement of sending troops to guide and protect NATO nations around those boundaries incase of attacks by Russia. By the way I researched and see NATO are 30 members and Ukraine is not part of the group.
Now my question is is there the possibility of US to go into this war? Because they have been vocal and showing much solidarity for Ukraine, sending troops around Europe to protect the neighbouring region without deliberation with the NATO member states can be a sign of support. What do you think ?
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February 25, 2022, 07:03:43 PM |
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I think US made it clear that they won't be directly involved in the war between Russia and Ukraine. At least that what I saw in the news. They will try to support Ukraine via arms, funds, Aid and slapping sanction to Russia.
The only way they may get involved in the direct war is when big-headed Putin tries to attack on of the neighboring NATO countries. In fact, they have already ordered deployment of 7,000 troops to Germany
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February 25, 2022, 07:37:47 PM |
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I think US made it clear that they won't be directly involved in the war between Russia and Ukraine.
They won't get involved until some US troops start dying. Then they'll have to make a decision to either withdraw completely, or move more troops into Europe. IMO Biden doesn't want to get involved because he wants Russia to do the same in case of a US-China conflict. I hope you remember when there were US carriers going towards China last year and we all know that China wants to take over Taiwan and they showed it once again by saying that Russian move into Ukraine was not an attack. They want to do the same with Taiwan in the near future and this could trigger a move from the US. Biden talked with Putin before the attack on Ukraine and Putin begun to be even more aggressive towards Zelensky after talking with Biden, which suggests they struck some kind of deal.
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February 25, 2022, 08:12:49 PM |
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They won't get involved until some US troops start dying. Well, no US troops can die if they aren't deployed in Ukraine ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) The attack on any NATO member nation is what I think will trigger US to get involved directly, and Putin knows that. IMO Biden doesn't want to get involved because he wants Russia to do the same in case of a US-China conflict. I hope you remember when there were US carriers going towards China last year and we all know that China wants to take over Taiwan and they showed it once again by saying that Russian move into Ukraine was not an attack. They want to do the same with Taiwan in the near future and this could trigger a move from the US. Biden talked with Putin before the attack on Ukraine and Putin begun to be even more aggressive towards Zelensky after talking with Biden, which suggests they struck some kind of deal.
It's also more to do with their recent change in policies in the Biden administration, like withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. Now, sending troops back to fight in a Ukraine war in less than a year would be ironic.
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February 25, 2022, 08:44:12 PM |
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They won't get involved until some US troops start dying. Well, no US troops can die if they aren't deployed in Ukraine ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) The attack on any NATO member nation is what I think will trigger US to get involved directly, and Putin knows that. That's what I meant. US jets are flying along the Polish border. It's enough if one Russian missile loses coordinates and goes for them, pretty much like when they shot down that Malaysian flight. Such attacks are already taking place. I've read that Russian missiles hit 3 transport ships on the Black Sea (One yesterday and 2 today). https://splash247.com/two-more-ships-hit-in-the-black-sea/
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February 26, 2022, 06:09:39 AM |
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I think US made it clear that they won't be directly involved in the war between Russia and Ukraine. At least that what I saw in the news. They will try to support Ukraine via arms, funds, Aid and slapping sanction to Russia.
The only way they may get involved in the direct war is when big-headed Putin tries to attack on of the neighboring NATO countries. In fact, they have already ordered deployment of 7,000 troops to Germany
You are correct. America would only give them subsidiary support. The only war they can join in fighting is when a NATO member is attacked. But Europe knows that Russia is a big player in the European economic settings, hence they are careful. Attacking Russia would greatly impact on the economy of Europe.
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February 26, 2022, 07:03:47 AM |
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Where's the solidarity the U.S. is showing for Ukraine? I don't consider well wishes on Twitter to be anything substantive - those tweets do not protect from rockets or tank shells. The U.S. said they would not get involved and the troops they have in Eastern Europe are only there to deter Russia from pushing forward to NATO countries. I don't see why Russia would be compelled to invade those countries, Putin isn't that sadistic to take Ukraine and then move to a NATO country, but it's also true many were doubtful of a full scale invasion. I've seen crazier things that've happened.
US will settle for sanctions instead, much more convenient than warfare.
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February 27, 2022, 07:19:30 AM |
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United States can join into fight for Ukraine, the least they can do is to provide them with arms and ammunition to fight for their rights. United States joins directly and this will lead to world war, if this happens china might support Russia and United States allies will support them this will be deadly. So I don't see them joining, it's a good thing they have placed heavy sanctions on them already. Gradually this will lead to a downing of their economy
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February 27, 2022, 07:28:54 AM |
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The US won't get involved directly but they will sell guns, tanks, jets whatever and supply the Europe with arms to the teeth. NATO fighting Russia is a death recipe for everybody. For this exact reason, Russia will also avoid fighting a NATO member. They will invade Ukraine, remove Zelensky from power and bring another muppet instead and then everything will go back to "normal".
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February 27, 2022, 11:46:36 AM |
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I think US made it clear that they won't be directly involved in the war between Russia and Ukraine. At least that what I saw in the news. They will try to support Ukraine via arms, funds, Aid and slapping sanction to Russia.
The only way they may get involved in the direct war is when big-headed Putin tries to attack on of the neighboring NATO countries. In fact, they have already ordered deployment of 7,000 troops to Germany
Don't trust them. NATO is already involved unofficially. They sent black troops to Kyiv. I do not think Putin will stop only by occupying Ukraine. His goal is something bigger than we can expect. Annexation of Ukraine only is far more costly for Russian so it doesn't make any sense. A former KGB operator must be a cunning foe and pre-planned for everything. Attacking Ukraine could be a diversion and if that's true then Poland could be the ultimate target. All these are expectations right now but we can not deny this possibility.
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February 27, 2022, 02:46:34 PM |
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Very little chance America would formally go to war for this. It is not a vital security concern whereas for Russia, this is a win or die war because they can't afford a NATO Ukraine.
Most America can do to support the Ukrainian government is sending them supplies and equipment covertly.
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February 27, 2022, 06:26:25 PM |
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USA (or NATO) has already provided Ukraine with a financial aid of 350 million dollars. They can't interfere militarily, it could potentially cause a wider outrage and even risking WW3. In general, I have mixed feelings about this situation (of not interfering), on the one hand, Ukraine has been left alone to deal with one of the most powerful nations, on the other hand, any interference could lead to a third World War and who knows what else, it's certainly a double edged sword.
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February 27, 2022, 06:59:30 PM |
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As much as the Ukrainians would like this, I'm afraid this will be the beginning of WW3.
But of course, financial support is also important, and thanks to the United States for this.
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February 27, 2022, 07:44:52 PM |
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Yesterday the American president made speech and announcing sanctions against Russia for starting a war on Ukraine. He made a statement of sending troops to guide and protect NATO nations around those boundaries incase of attacks by Russia. By the way I researched and see NATO are 30 members and Ukraine is not part of the group.
Now my question is is there the possibility of US to go into this war? Because they have been vocal and showing much solidarity for Ukraine, sending troops around Europe to protect the neighbouring region without deliberation with the NATO member states can be a sign of support. What do you think ?
Direct involvement of USA or any EU country could escalate a world war. I do not think this will happens as long as Russia do not attack any NATO member. But Putin announce that every country that are providing arms to Ukraine military will be their target too. So inside Ukraine territory every other nation is enemy for Russia. USA is funding the war heavily.
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February 27, 2022, 07:54:21 PM |
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Yesterday the American president made speech and announcing sanctions against Russia for starting a war on Ukraine. He made a statement of sending troops to guide and protect NATO nations around those boundaries incase of attacks by Russia. By the way I researched and see NATO are 30 members and Ukraine is not part of the group.
Now my question is is there the possibility of US to go into this war? Because they have been vocal and showing much solidarity for Ukraine, sending troops around Europe to protect the neighbouring region without deliberation with the NATO member states can be a sign of support. What do you think ?
Direct involvement of USA or any EU country could escalate a world war. I do not think this will happens as long as Russia do not attack any NATO member. But Putin announce that every country that are providing arms to Ukraine military will be their target too. So inside Ukraine territory every other nation is enemy for Russia. USA is funding the war heavily. They are forming an international legion https://visitukraine.today/blog/104/the-international-legion-for-the-territorial-defense-of-ukraine-was-createdso I would expect NATO special forces to take some time off from their stressful jobs and go on vacation to Ukraine. LOL.
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US is supporting in other kinds but not with troops because they do not share the same border with Ukraine, No US military in the country, they also not trade partner or have oil reserve in Ukraine, no common interest for long period. However, there are some humanitarian support in the past toward war in some countries that make people think USA might come in at a point
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Nato is like a paid membership. to benefit from its services(soldiers) members need to pay. and those that pay into the membership benefit from its services
ukraine is not part of nato and so is not paying for nato services. if nato started doing things out of the kindness of their heart and helped countries not in its membership, it will quickly escalate that the members that do pay realise that they too can get help without paying.
so nato will not help directly by going into ukraine to help ukraine, otherwise they wont be able to afford to keep it running in the future
ofcourse nato will help at the borders, but this is more so to defend the nato member countries that border ukraine. ofcourse if any russian plane or tank tries using/accessing those nato bordered countries, nato will stop them. but nato wont directly stop anything happening inside ukraine
even in war, its still business minds not moral minds at work. unions would rather protect the business contracts, rather than protect anyone at harm not part of the contract.
but with that said. if the UN were to step in, using human rights act as their reason to protect ukraine directly. this too can diminish the need of nato. because if countries can be protected by the UN, why pay for NATO. this is why there needs to be a fine business contract balance of who/when/how outsider countries help other countries.
the only way this will change is if all nato nations got together and said something like: "in this one exception we will aid a country not part of our membership, because they are a prospective future member" but, that is not happening yet.(and maybe it will never)
this however does not stop individual countries from getting involved personally. EG US jumping into middle eastern countries to defend the western property at risk by the middle east(well that was their excuse for the last few wars in the world)
this though could escalate(at world scale) a small skirmish, to become a full blown world war if too many countries get involved
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I think US made it clear that they won't be directly involved in the war between Russia and Ukraine.
They won't get involved until some US troops start dying. Then they'll have to make a decision to either withdraw completely, or move more troops into Europe. IMO Biden doesn't want to get involved because he wants Russia to do the same in case of a US-China conflict. I hope you remember when there were US carriers going towards China last year and we all know that China wants to take over Taiwan and they showed it once again by saying that Russian move into Ukraine was not an attack. They want to do the same with Taiwan in the near future and this could trigger a move from the US. Biden talked with Putin before the attack on Ukraine and Putin begun to be even more aggressive towards Zelensky after talking with Biden, which suggests they struck some kind of deal. Good answer, but I assume the U.S. would tolerate some troop deaths if it meant they could avoid a direct conflict with Russia.
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February 27, 2022, 11:04:15 PM |
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The only way they may get involved in the direct war is when big-headed Putin tries to attack on of the neighboring NATO countries. In fact, they have already ordered deployment of 7,000 troops to Germany
With Russian forces in Ukraine, it will likely make NATO nervous. If NATO believes Russia will not stop at Ukraine, it may decide to intervene before Russia makes it way into a NATO country. Also, if there is evidence that Russia is committing war crimes, the US may impose a no fly zone over Ukraine, which would probably be described as being involved.
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February 27, 2022, 11:08:24 PM |
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For now, America has not dared to interfere in the war between Ukraine and Russia because Russia has firmly said that no outside party should interfere, besides that America does not have the authority to interfere. But in the future it is possible that other countries will intervene, for example America is helping Ukraine and China is helping Russia.
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