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May 08, 2022, 10:09:23 AM
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This is a perfect day for me. Huge stoppage victories from Oliveira and Chandler in the UFC and of course Bivol taking Canelo once again to school. I think it was disrespectful when Canelo as a challenger was introduced last when it could've been Bivol. But Bivol was always focus and even mentioned after the fight that the loud Canelo fans further motivated him. Bivol was executing his team's game plan very well, even at times when Canelo was already cornered, Bivol showed discipline not to over commit. And to the hardcore boxing fans, you guys knew the judges attempted to change the outcome of the fight when all of them gave Canelo 5 rounds. But it was just too much, Bivol was clearly dominating Canelo all over the ring that the judges cannot find more close rounds and loopholes.  Grin

     

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May 08, 2022, 10:25:14 AM
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This is a perfect day for me. Huge stoppage victories from Oliveira and Chandler in the UFC and of course Bivol taking Canelo once again to school. I think it was disrespectful when Canelo as a challenger was introduced last when it could've been Bivol. But Bivol was always focus and even mentioned after the fight that the loud Canelo fans further motivated him. Bivol was executing his team's game plan very well, even at times when Canelo was already cornered, Bivol showed discipline not to over commit. And to the hardcore boxing fans, you guys knew the judges attempted to change the outcome of the fight when all of them gave Canelo 5 rounds. But it was just too much, Bivol was clearly dominating Canelo all over the ring that the judges cannot find more close rounds and loopholes.  Grin   

Congrats to you, I know you are a solid Bivol and good that you put your money on him a win big.

As for those who bet on Canelo including myself, yeah, upset happens, we just to accept that.  Smiley

It was a simple but yet effective strategy for Bivol, don't let Canelo get inside, used his jab more to prevent him from entering. And then uses his best combo, one-two punch to throw Canelo off balance and to score points in the judges scorecard. But I guess the judges gives Canelo more rounds though.

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May 08, 2022, 10:44:38 AM
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This is a perfect day for me. Huge stoppage victories from Oliveira and Chandler in the UFC and of course Bivol taking Canelo once again to school. I think it was disrespectful when Canelo as a challenger was introduced last when it could've been Bivol. But Bivol was always focus and even mentioned after the fight that the loud Canelo fans further motivated him. Bivol was executing his team's game plan very well, even at times when Canelo was already cornered, Bivol showed discipline not to over commit. And to the hardcore boxing fans, you guys knew the judges attempted to change the outcome of the fight when all of them gave Canelo 5 rounds. But it was just too much, Bivol was clearly dominating Canelo all over the ring that the judges cannot find more close rounds and loopholes.  Grin   

Congrats to you, I know you are a solid Bivol and good that you put your money on him a win big.

As for those who bet on Canelo including myself, yeah, upset happens, we just to accept that.  Smiley

It was a simple but yet effective strategy for Bivol, don't let Canelo get inside, used his jab more to prevent him from entering. And then uses his best combo, one-two punch to throw Canelo off balance and to score points in the judges scorecard. But I guess the judges gives Canelo more rounds though.

Everyone here is thinking that Canelo would easily beat the champ, including me of course, so I'm guilty but I'm glad I didn't put my bet on that game. LOL.. congrats to the bettors who trusted Bivol, it was an easy win by the defending champ and the odds is very sweet.

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May 08, 2022, 12:28:00 PM
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This is a perfect day for me. Huge stoppage victories from Oliveira and Chandler in the UFC and of course Bivol taking Canelo once again to school. I think it was disrespectful when Canelo as a challenger was introduced last when it could've been Bivol. But Bivol was always focus and even mentioned after the fight that the loud Canelo fans further motivated him. Bivol was executing his team's game plan very well, even at times when Canelo was already cornered, Bivol showed discipline not to over commit. And to the hardcore boxing fans, you guys knew the judges attempted to change the outcome of the fight when all of them gave Canelo 5 rounds. But it was just too much, Bivol was clearly dominating Canelo all over the ring that the judges cannot find more close rounds and loopholes.  Grin   

Congrats to you, I know you are a solid Bivol and good that you put your money on him a win big.

As for those who bet on Canelo including myself, yeah, upset happens, we just to accept that.  Smiley

It was a simple but yet effective strategy for Bivol, don't let Canelo get inside, used his jab more to prevent him from entering. And then uses his best combo, one-two punch to throw Canelo off balance and to score points in the judges scorecard. But I guess the judges gives Canelo more rounds though.

Everyone here is thinking that Canelo would easily beat the champ, including me of course, so I'm guilty but I'm glad I didn't put my bet on that game. LOL.. congrats to the bettors who trusted Bivol, it was an easy win by the defending champ and the odds is very sweet.

Well, Canelo has finally found the fighter that could defeat him and we cannot blame the fans because Canelo is very popular. There's a rematch, so we now have the time to choose which fighter we think will win, and I'm sure the betting odds that Bivol will not anymore a heavy underdog if he will still be listed as the underdog.

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May 08, 2022, 12:42:21 PM
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Well, Canelo has finally found the fighter that could defeat him and we cannot blame the fans because Canelo is very popular. There's a rematch, so we now have the time to choose which fighter we think will win, and I'm sure the betting odds that Bivol will not anymore a heavy underdog if he will still be listed as the underdog.

I think it's time for his team to rethink his campaign for greatness he is taking more than what he can chew, he is fighting a real light heavyweight, I notice Canelo is easily tired he is still fast but those punches coming from a heavier fighter is just too much, he will still be great in the middleweight he should concentrate there, maybe unite all belts and fight the best in the middleweight, and go to defend until he breaks Hopkin's record.
There's a debate on who is the greatest in the middleweight and he has a claim for it, set a record that future champions will be hard to match.


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May 08, 2022, 01:12:05 PM
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I never expect the outcome of the fight. It seems to me that Canelo has an off-night. Not to make excuses though, Bivol is really good and not overrated. But something is missing on Canelo, timing is off, didn't see the punch out put and was never in the fight from the first round.

Never expected Bivol to win the fight, it looks like Canelo is easily getting tired of every punch he releases and is not able to avoid those quick jabs. Also, not avoiding those punches from round 5 which I think Bivol gain more points.

But in fairness, Bivol really dominates the fight and takes advantage of punch reach which always connects.

The good thing is, I didn't bet much for Canelo only a small portion has been lost.
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May 08, 2022, 01:19:17 PM
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I never expect the outcome of the fight. It seems to me that Canelo has an off-night. Not to make excuses though, Bivol is really good and not overrated. But something is missing on Canelo, timing is off, didn't see the punch out put and was never in the fight from the first round.

Never expected Bivol to win the fight, it looks like Canelo is easily getting tired of every punch he releases and is not able to avoid those quick jabs. Also, not avoiding those punches from round 5 which I think Bivol gain more points.

But in fairness, Bivol really dominates the fight and takes advantage of punch reach which always connects.

The good thing is, I didn't bet much for Canelo only a small portion has been lost.

Bivol has the power to match Canelo, I like what he showed, he is not afraid to go toe to toe against Canelo, and with his great strategy, he prevented Canelo from getting inside. Bivol use his advantage in this fight, well fought and IMO, I believe that Bivol would still win the rematch.

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May 08, 2022, 01:21:27 PM
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I never expect the outcome of the fight. It seems to me that Canelo has an off-night. Not to make excuses though, Bivol is really good and not overrated. But something is missing on Canelo, timing is off, didn't see the punch out put and was never in the fight from the first round.

Never expected Bivol to win the fight, it looks like Canelo is easily getting tired of every punch he releases and is not able to avoid those quick jabs. Also, not avoiding those punches from round 5 which I think Bivol gain more points.

But in fairness, Bivol really dominates the fight and takes advantage of punch reach which always connects.

The good thing is, I didn't bet much for Canelo only a small portion has been lost.

You can see Canelo's frustration in round 5, while Bivol is still composed and didn't fall on Canelo's trap.

And yes, it really seems to be very simple, used his jab, and then combination, and quick on his feet as to not get trap in the corner wherein Canelo can throw a lot of punches. Canelo's punches doesn't affect Bivol which led me to think that he can't carry his power to his division.

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May 08, 2022, 01:28:24 PM
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You can see Canelo's frustration in round 5, while Bivol is still composed and didn't fall on Canelo's trap.

And yes, it really seems to be very simple, used his jab, and then combination, and quick on his feet as to not get trap in the corner wherein Canelo can throw a lot of punches. Canelo's punches doesn't affect Bivol which led me to think that he can't carry his power to his division.

Canelo was pissed and frustrated the whole fight because he cannot see an opening, and that round 5 we can really tell, even the announcers said it was Canelo's frustration when he provoked Bivol as if he wants more of it and as if he wasn't hurt.

Bivol was just the better fighter in this match, he was calm and uses his size and reach all the time. His footwork and combos were great.
I am going to expect a rematch with this fight.

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May 08, 2022, 01:50:14 PM
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I've watched the whole fight and I've seen 3 factors that cause Canelo to lose on this fight.

1. Impenetrable defense of Bivol - You will see that his punches aren't landing so much and if so, its only a small damage and most of Canelo's punches are landing mostly on his arms which is we know doesn't affect the fighter at all. The arms of Bivol is so huge and long that he can defend most of his body and his face.
2. Discipline and his reach as well as his footwork - Kudos to Bivol for having a good discipline all throughout the fight. From the start, you will see that he is mostly doing and he is using his longer reach efficiently that Canelo can't land punches on him. His footwork is very good as well because you will see that Bivol will make combination and then will fall back then attack again and Canelo can't cope up with it.
3. The Division itself - I think we can conclude that Canelo can't fight in the light heavyweight because of how he fought on this match. Some will say that he won against Kovalev yes but he isn't as strong as he was at that time. Bivol is just too much for Canelo I think so maybe it would be a better decision to go lower but if still wants to fight in light heavyweight then he must do better trainings.

Overall, I think Bivol deserved the win. Its just that how can the 3 judges scored 115-113 in favor of Bivol. I thought that the differences of their scores will be higher seeing how Bivol dominated the whole fight but.. a win is a win still. Congrats to Bivol. Well deserved and he is in the history books already Smiley.

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I didn't watch the whole card, I only tuned in for the main event. I don't always watch Canelo, as I don't really particularly like his personality, and I find him to have a bit of a ego, without actually being that entertaining in person. Obviously, a good boxer, and likes to test the waters. However, I honestly thought he was outclassed last night, and the score cards were embarrassing, as it definitely wasn't that close. They had it 115 - 113, right? Impossible, I had Bivol with at the very least eight rounds.

I think the step up for Canelo was a bit too much, and he probably goes back down after this. I do admire his ambition to unify multiple divisions though. I'll always respect when a fighter doesn't just fight anyone that pays the wages, and instead challenges themselves. However, I thought he was thoroughly outclassed on the night, and was left frustrated, and without too many ideas. 
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You can see Canelo's frustration in round 5, while Bivol is still composed and didn't fall on Canelo's trap.

And yes, it really seems to be very simple, used his jab, and then combination, and quick on his feet as to not get trap in the corner wherein Canelo can throw a lot of punches. Canelo's punches doesn't affect Bivol which led me to think that he can't carry his power to his division.

Canelo was pissed and frustrated the whole fight because he cannot see an opening, and that round 5 we can really tell, even the announcers said it was Canelo's frustration when he provoked Bivol as if he wants more of it and as if he wasn't hurt.

Bivol was just the better fighter in this match, he was calm and uses his size and reach all the time. His footwork and combos were great.
I am going to expect a rematch with this fight.

There will be a rematch because Canelo want one.

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He has to figure out how to destroy the defense of Bivol as that is his only chance of hurting the champ.
In that fight, Canelo look like the same person who lose on Mayweather on a unanimous decision, and actually Mayweather beat on Bivol to win the fight, he showed his bet slip.


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I didn't watch the whole card, I only tuned in for the main event. I don't always watch Canelo, as I don't really particularly like his personality, and I find him to have a bit of a ego, without actually being that entertaining in person. Obviously, a good boxer, and likes to test the waters. However, I honestly thought he was outclassed last night, and the score cards were embarrassing, as it definitely wasn't that close. They had it 115 - 113, right? Impossible, I had Bivol with at the very least eight rounds.

I think the step up for Canelo was a bit too much, and he probably goes back down after this. I do admire his ambition to unify multiple divisions though. I'll always respect when a fighter doesn't just fight anyone that pays the wages, and instead challenges themselves. However, I thought he was thoroughly outclassed on the night, and was left frustrated, and without too many ideas. 

He might step back down again because of this. Its not his weight class and Bivol obviously has the quicker hands in every exchange. Many lost money I guess because the  bookmarkers favored Canelo. He always is the top dog so this upset is a wakeup call for him. He may be defeated the next fight as he is exposed now.

GGG will have a 3rd rematch. Or is there a chance for Beterbiev vs Alvarez? If it Beterbiev has the speed of Bivol, Canelo will be knocked out.


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I didn't watch the whole card, I only tuned in for the main event. I don't always watch Canelo, as I don't really particularly like his personality, and I find him to have a bit of a ego, without actually being that entertaining in person. Obviously, a good boxer, and likes to test the waters. However, I honestly thought he was outclassed last night, and the score cards were embarrassing, as it definitely wasn't that close. They had it 115 - 113, right? Impossible, I had Bivol with at the very least eight rounds.

I think the step up for Canelo was a bit too much, and he probably goes back down after this. I do admire his ambition to unify multiple divisions though. I'll always respect when a fighter doesn't just fight anyone that pays the wages, and instead challenges themselves. However, I thought he was thoroughly outclassed on the night, and was left frustrated, and without too many ideas. 

He might step back down again because of this. Its not his weight class and Bivol obviously has the quicker hands in every exchange. Many lost money I guess because the  bookmarkers favored Canelo. He always is the top dog so this upset is a wakeup call for him. He may be defeated the next fight as he is exposed now.

GGG will have a 3rd rematch. Or is there a chance for Beterbiev vs Alvarez? If it Beterbiev has the speed of Bivol, Canelo will be knocked out.

that's the spirit of a true boxer, he will accept new challenge even if it is out of his comfort zone. now, that he experienced this weight division, he learned his lessons well. but yes, we are still awaiting the trilogy with GGG. some analysts are looking at this event to possibly happen this september. now that canelo has been exposed, he should work out on his weaknesses as this may be GGG's advantage next time.

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May 08, 2022, 06:32:42 PM
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Well, Canelo has finally found the fighter that could defeat him and we cannot blame the fans because Canelo is very popular. There's a rematch, so we now have the time to choose which fighter we think will win, and I'm sure the betting odds that Bivol will not anymore a heavy underdog if he will still be listed as the underdog.

I think it's time for his team to rethink his campaign for greatness he is taking more than what he can chew, he is fighting a real light heavyweight, I notice Canelo is easily tired he is still fast but those punches coming from a heavier fighter is just too much, he will still be great in the middleweight he should concentrate there, maybe unite all belts and fight the best in the middleweight, and go to defend until he breaks Hopkin's record.
There's a debate on who is the greatest in the middleweight and he has a claim for it, set a record that future champions will be hard to match.
I already suspected that this might happen as Bivol is really far from Kovalev in terms of power and advantages, Canelo had an easy time dominating the latter but I didn't really expected that he would be defeated today as I'm only thinking that his would be a close and tough fight but Canelo will still be the winner.

When I watched their fight, Canelo is the one who have been dominated by the underdog and eventually he cannot hide his frustrations after he almost wrestled Bivol in the 11th round. Bivol can really withstand the gravity of punches thrown by Canelo, I admire him for that and he truly deserves the victory.

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I already suspected that this might happen as Bivol is really far from Kovalev in terms of power and advantages, Canelo had an easy time dominating the latter but I didn't really expected that he would be defeated today as I'm only thinking that his would be a close and tough fight but Canelo will still be the winner.

When I watched their fight, Canelo is the one who have been dominated by the underdog and eventually he cannot hide his frustrations after he almost wrestled Bivol in the 11th round. Bivol can really withstand the gravity of punches thrown by Canelo, I admire him for that and he truly deserves the victory.
this was something unexpected but indeed he deserved the title given the fight he had a while ago.
A pretty absolute number from the three judges and with this a lot of people might lose money in the bet including me because indeed I was standing by Canelo's side but indeed Bivol was very outstanding and it's no wonder he was able to win by a landslide in this fight

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I never expect the outcome of the fight. It seems to me that Canelo has an off-night. Not to make excuses though, Bivol is really good and not overrated. But something is missing on Canelo, timing is off, didn't see the punch out put and was never in the fight from the first round.

Never expected Bivol to win the fight, it looks like Canelo is easily getting tired of every punch he releases and is not able to avoid those quick jabs. Also, not avoiding those punches from round 5 which I think Bivol gain more points.

It looks like there is a problem with Canelo's conditioning either his camp thinks that it is a walk-in-the-park fight or Canelo belittles Bivol and did not take his conditioning seriously.

But in fairness, Bivol really dominates the fight and takes advantage of punch reach which always connects.

Yeah, Bivol gives Canelo a hard time by throwing jabs and effective countering.  I think Canelo relies on his hard punch too much and did not give a variety of punches to make Bivol busy with the defense.  It is one grave mistake since throwing only hard punches and relaxing in between give an opponent an opportunity to implement his own strategy effectively.


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I like what the commentator said during the few seconds before the bell rang and already knows what will be the result of the match was:

"DID WE UNDERESTIMATE DMITRY BIVOL?"

Those commentators already have a sneak peek of what will be the result as Canelo is struggling throughout the match. They even pointed out that it was the first time they saw Canelo in fatigue which is not in his vocabulary.

Bivol is patient, doing jabs carefully while having a good defense. He is not aggressive but just patiently waiting for the right timing to land a punch. That made Canelo disappointed and become upset and as a result, he began to lose focus and Bivol takes advantage of it.

This match proves that never depends on how big the name is to determine the winner like what others do here.

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May 09, 2022, 01:16:12 AM
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This match proves that never depends on how big the name is to determine the winner like what others do here.

The underdog is not always behind because they can come up with a smooth strategy such as this one and dominate the fight throughout the rounds. I think the same vibes as to how Pacquiao lost to Ugas last year and this time Bivol use the perfect strategy to exhaust Canelo and patiently threw some punches to secure his win yesterday. The commentator was right, they did underestimate Bivol just before the start of the fight and they were amazed at how he executed his strategy to upsets everyone who thinks that it was just another one-sided fight against him.

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May 09, 2022, 01:19:24 AM
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I have just learned right now that Dmitry Bivol is not allowed to carry the Russian flag in this match. I will now conclude that even singing their national anthem won't be allowed and everything that a boxer does in the ring represents their respective country.

Is this a form of unsportsmanship? I thought that was already settled since no sanctions were put on this match and the original title match remained.
Bivol has no choice then. Feel sorry for him but he should consider that as his fuel to fight aggressively with Canelo.

reasonable or not, it's discouraging for Bivol. no matter where the discussion will go, it always lead to Putin being bad and he is thier president.

that's how we become very discriminating that even in sports events, the organizers are preventing the athlete to be proud of thier nationality. because Bivol agrees to it, he must have understood how it will outburst emotions if he wins this fight. it's best that way or he'd not get a chance to make money in his career.


That is a real discrimination. Why is US and Israel not condemned for attacking Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Syeria.
This is tough and hard for Bivol - can put his moral down. But let's see if he can win the match. Looking fwd for an interesting fight.

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