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February 26, 2022, 10:43:25 PM |
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For now, there’s still an option for a no KYC gambling experience, and we can’t do anything about this one since its beyond our control, but if you know someone better to lecture him not to gamble at all because its too risky for him and he’s still underaged which can cost to a more risky gambling experience.
Now, there are still many choices of gambling sites that do not apply KYC, because playing online gambling is inconvenient if we have to provide real identity. It is because of these privacy concerns that many gambling sites end up not implementing KYC procedures, but this has negative effects that arise. One of them is that many children who are not yet 18 years old can access the gambling site easily and can play there. This cannot be fully blamed on the gambling site, because the gambling site has given a warning to users before registering on the site must be over 18 years old. In the end, it is the responsibility of parents to their respective children, by conducting strict supervision if their child accesses the internet. Or it could be that parents start educating their children from an early age that the dangers of playing gambling, at least it can make children think twice when accessing gambling sites.
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February 26, 2022, 10:51:30 PM |
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I read every Internet gambling had requirements that must be over 18 years. if a child is under that age, how did the website owner know that child was enough to age?. Because I was explored every Internet gambling here that almost didn't require uploading an ID card. A child could be lying by clicking correct sign under the register box.
Sooner or later, online bookies will require you to fill up KYC especially if you win big and withdraw that money so if you are lying from the beginning that would be a big problem because you will need someone else to do it for you. Many might argue but in our place i have not seen/known minors who gamble online so this is not a problem here.
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February 26, 2022, 11:00:22 PM |
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I believe that the gambling site need not to verify whether you are up to the age of 18 or not but they expected you not to lie about your age and do the right thing by clicking yes are 18 and above or no you are under age. Once you click yes that you are 18 and above while you are actually under age then whatever happen to you in the process they are not responsible but yourself.
Yes, because gambling is an adult thing to do. That's what the majority of them expect but there are also those circumstances that a teenager would sign up to a casino since it's on the internet and all of the casinos are accessible as long as you're not from the country that they've blocked their domain. It's really hard to figure out if a minor has already signed up. IIRC, there's the case of this teen that has used his parent's information to be kept in that casino since there's no need for any face-to-face KYC interview. It's just all about sending an ID and filling up the form.
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February 26, 2022, 11:20:55 PM |
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Most casinos only put those after you've registered, or rather ask for after. They don't usually ask it at immediate registration, since they want users to explore the site, understand the games, check out some stuff, and well, a lot of things. Nothing new really, it's also how some sites that in the end require you to do KYC end up doing. Plus, you still need a method to deposit money to them, if it were crypto casinos then it may be possible, but it'd be hard in normal online casinos if the user didn't know someone who'd allow him/her to use their card or bank account to deposit money.
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February 26, 2022, 11:27:56 PM |
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... A child could be lying by clicking correct sign under the register box.
In the same time the child could complete any KYC using documents from a friend o relative that has at least 18 years old. The website could not be aware of any lies ! I believe that it is not easy to have really effective deterrent systems in this field because easily surmountable...
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February 26, 2022, 11:36:47 PM |
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Most casinos only put those after you've registered, or rather ask for after. They don't usually ask it at immediate registration,
Websites that wasn't out to scam users always provide there warning sign for you to see before you get involved in signing up. So underlying factor is to confirm scam or no scam if you are signing up with such sites you know you have to be more careful of disclosing information. A genuine casino should make it clear with restrictions and countries not eligible.
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February 27, 2022, 02:29:28 AM |
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Many might argue but in our place i have not seen/known minors who gamble online so this is not a problem here.
It could still become a problem as there's so many ways to do so and I think one of the main sources is the gambling sites that accept in-game items as it used to be very popular and the topic became controversial at one point. I remember valve even tried to create a solution for it by putting trade cooldowns but it wasn't enough to stop people from gambling their items. Most casinos only put those after you've registered, or rather ask for after. They don't usually ask it at immediate registration, since they want users to explore the site, understand the games, check out some stuff, and well, a lot of things. Nothing new really, it's also how some sites that in the end require you to do KYC end up doing. Plus, you still need a method to deposit money to them, if it were crypto casinos then it may be possible, but it'd be hard in normal online casinos if the user didn't know someone who'd allow him/her to use their card or bank account to deposit money.
It depends though, when it comes to crypto casinos it's usually just under their terms and conditions but there are some that require your birthdate like Sportsbet. Someone did mention above that it's usually a requirement for fiat casinos as they ask for it during registration.
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February 27, 2022, 02:36:13 AM |
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This is internet space where someone can easily access any sites whatever they want, do you think there's no child accessing porn even there's a warning you must be over 18 years old? I'm sure there are many and they check 18 years old to make them can access the sites. This similar like access casino, it's depends on you and no one can stopping you expect you click self exclusions.
Another thing is one can easily using his parents identity, photoshopped, or someone identity.
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February 27, 2022, 03:37:19 AM |
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With the easiness offered by the internet, a child under 18 can easily register on a gambling site, especially on crypto gambling sites that do not require verification to start playing. The kids simply signed up with an email and password, deposited some money into the site, played a lot of gambling games, and maybe some of them already won some money. Gambling site owners will never know if a small part of the members are minors or maybe even the gambling site owner himself will not know if his child is playing gambling on his own site ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) It may be a problem and dilemma for children under 18 because they may become addicted to gambling in their youth.
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February 27, 2022, 05:28:37 AM |
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... A child could be lying by clicking correct sign under the register box.
In the same time the child could complete any KYC using documents from a friend o relative that has at least 18 years old. The website could not be aware of any lies ! I believe that it is not easy to have really effective deterrent systems in this field because easily surmountable... Wut?, Why the child cheat with his friend kyc?, I suggest to avoid this, the internet casino must prove his video after upload id card
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February 27, 2022, 06:39:42 AM |
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With the easiness offered by the internet, a child under 18 can easily register on a gambling site, especially on crypto gambling sites that do not require verification to start playing. The kids simply signed up with an email and password, deposited some money into the site, played a lot of gambling games, and maybe some of them already won some money. Gambling site owners will never know if a small part of the members are minors or maybe even the gambling site owner himself will not know if his child is playing gambling on his own site ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) It may be a problem and dilemma for children under 18 because they may become addicted to gambling in their youth. It seems to me that teenagers under the age of 18 and gambling do not use their personal information to register at an online casino. They can easily register an account in the name of their parents or adult friends and if required to pass KYC just upload their documents. In addition, many teenagers have enough knowledge to buy bank statements or documents on the darknet.
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February 27, 2022, 06:54:27 AM |
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I read every Internet gambling had requirements that must be over 18 years. if a child is under that age, how did the website owner know that child was enough to age?. Because I was explored every Internet gambling here that almost didn't require uploading an ID card. A child could be lying by clicking correct sign under the register box.
You are right,this is kinda similar to alcohol&tobacco stores being restricted from selling alcohol and cigars to children and teenagers,but nobody could control those alcohol and tobacco stores 24/7. In my country,there's absolutely no problem for children to buy alcohol and tobacco from almost every store,despite the fact that this is forbidden. Perhaps all crypto casinos should impose mandatory ID verification,but this will piss off all the gamblers,who are above the age of 18. I'm sure that the amount of kids/teenagers,who are gambling on crypto casinos is really small,because kids/teens don't have money to gamble.The problem remains and it will never be solved completely.
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February 27, 2022, 07:30:42 AM |
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I read every Internet gambling had requirements that must be over 18 years. if a child is under that age, how did the website owner know that child was enough to age?. Because I was explored every Internet gambling here that almost didn't require uploading an ID card. A child could be lying by clicking correct sign under the register box.
I personally think it's just for a formality that the casino sites put the condition of being over 18. You would have noticed the same thing on porn sites as well. They also ask you if you are over 18. Teenagers still click on Yes and watch the porn. Probably, that's what most of us here would have done ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) This way the authorities cannot blame the site owners because they did ask you if you were over 18.
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February 27, 2022, 07:43:25 AM |
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You're absolutely right, it's just a formality. Owners of websites containing adult content or providing adult services are required to restrict minors. They have no tools to verify each user or these tools, if used, significantly reduce the flow of users (mandatory KYC at registration).
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February 27, 2022, 07:58:44 AM |
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I have read some Gambling site's Terms of service that warns about under aged players using an elderly person's document to verify account when KYC is asked. If such activity is figured out the account will get banned and the funds associated to the account seized. To track such behaviors they consistently ask for different documents for KYC just to be sure that the person is qualified to Gamble on their site.
now even small children are smart in finding ways to trick gambling sites a year ago in my city there was a case where a child was caught using the identity of his parents to gamble, the parents were confused why so many calls from debt collectors were calling him, it turned out that while playing gambling, the child borrowed money from moneylenders and it was really worrying But, it's just related to some countries that are strict on under aged players to prevent addiction and other silly behaviors like borrowing money from banks to gamble.
Countries that legalize gambling usually have very strict rules against gambling players, what is very unfortunate is that countries that do not legalize gambling feel safe from tricks like this, even though most minors who gamble online come from countries that do not legalize gambling
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~ a year ago in my city there was a case where a child was caught using the identity of his parents to gamble, the parents were confused why so many calls from debt collectors were calling him, it turned out that while playing gambling, the child borrowed money from moneylenders and it was really worrying
This story sounds like a fairy tale. How could a child get a loan in his parents' name if it requires either personal presence or an electronic signature if the loan is taken out online? I don't think the child can access his parents' electronic signature.
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February 27, 2022, 08:38:46 AM |
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I read every Internet gambling had requirements that must be over 18 years. if a child is under that age, how did the website owner know that child was enough to age?. Because I was explored every Internet gambling here that almost didn't require uploading an ID card. A child could be lying by clicking correct sign under the register box.
The same applies to porn sites. If an 11-year-old boy visits a porn site from his cell phone, he is asked: Are you over 18? He clicks yes and that's it. There would be a very easy way to control that but it seems that our rulers even consider healthy that kids have access to porn of all kinds from a very young age. As for the gambling sites, you have already been told, those that do not have KYC requirements something similar happens. At most the only thing they ask you to do is to declare that you are over 18 years old or to have read the T&C (where it is said that you have to be of legal age but almost nobody reads it).
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