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February 26, 2022, 06:08:35 PM
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First, let me state my bias: I hate, oh, wrong word, I LOATHE Windows OS. I have been running Linux as my primary OS since 2001. Like a lot of Linux users, I run Windows because I must, in my case, mandatory imaging software for my Zeiss microscope. I also run the Core on Windows because my linux box doesn’t meet the hardware specs I need for a complete blockchain without pruning.

Cutting to the Chase

When you download the Core from bitcoin.org you can see that the team, the devs, recommend checking the box in settings for running at logon to Windows. I did that.

Windows being Windows, in spite of the fact that I have a newly purchased Dell machine and a virgin Windows 11 OS and 16 GB of RAM, that all programs, in general, are very slow to load—think minutes rather than seconds. On my Linux machine, loading is in seconds. And the Core in Windows is so slow that many a time I did not know if there was an error and it had failed to load.

In fairness to Windows, I do have a hardware bottleneck. Although I have the storage capacity I need for personal use and running the Core, 1 TB, on Windows, on Linux I have a Samsung ssd on a fast M.2. bus whereas on Windows I have a hdd on SATA. This explains some of the problem but not, I think, all.

When it seemed that the Core was having a problem and not loading, I then went to the app directly and initiated it. Then I got a message that said it was already running. Hmm. It’s already running but it’s nowhere to be found. It’s running but it hasn’t yet loaded on the level of the GUI yet. Of course, running a daemon from CLI would bypass all that nonsense but also be more difficult to interact with.

Then, for some weeks, I was playing cat and mouse between "start when login" and going directly to the app. After playing for a while, the app ran until I needed to reboot a few days later, and play another cat and mouse game.

I run the Core 24/7 and if I had my druthers I’d never reboot but, as you know, sometimes it’s necessary.

Suffice it to say that eventually my under the hood start files became corrupted as indicated by an error message. After googling, it became pretty obvious that there was no solution except uninstall and reinstall the Core, a major hassle, second only to doing a fresh install of the OS.

So, as I now count the hours, for the second iteration of the blockchain to download—it’s been about 48 hours—so that progress shows 1.0, I decided to NOT check start at login. With Windows’ wonkiness and one more thing to break, I decided to go without.

When I had network issues during the downloading, I checked out my new protocol. Shutdown via stop command in the Console. The GUI window appears and disappears. I also keep Task Manage open and can confirm that that process is killed.

Then when I reboot, the Core is doing nothing, ah good, just what I want. Then I wait for Windows GUI to stabilize. Generally, when Dropbox gives me a check that it’s up to date, I know that the system is stable. Dropbox takes some time because it must connect, index, etc.

Then I go to the Core app click on it and wait for it to load. It still takes some time and I can see that it loads different things at different times but fine, I can eyeball what is happening whereas in the start on log I can’t see anything, it’s taking forever, and I don’t know if it’s broken.

So, for now, never start at logon!

What’s your experience with start at logon, particularly for Windows, but also for Linux and Mac OS?

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February 26, 2022, 06:31:51 PM
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When I had network issues during the downloading
did you run checksum after this issue? Number one rule in this game is verify, verify and verify once again.
your core may possibly be corrupt if its been unexpectedly shutting down
as far as getting it to autologin try this? 
use winkey+R netplwiz elevated enable auto login (anyone can access at a local level though)
after thats set up try winkey+R shell:startup and copy a shortcut to core there

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February 26, 2022, 06:39:58 PM
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Never had an issue with start with logon. Even now I have a VERY under powered laptop (3rd gen i5) with 8GB RAM and a 2TB SATA 7200RPM
At startup it loads.
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Startup to usable GUI is about 4 1/2 minutes.
All the coins are loading their full GUI wallets.

Also have Microsoft Office 2010 while running slow is usable.
Firefox. Browses most sites fine (if slow) more then 1 video and it does go to shit.

I just keep it at the data center as an offsite machine to do stuff with if I don't have my regular laptop with me.

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February 26, 2022, 09:24:01 PM
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When I had network issues during the downloading
did you run checksum after this issue? Number one rule in this game is verify, verify and verify once again.
your core may possibly be corrupt if its been unexpectedly shutting down
as far as getting it to autologin try this? 
use winkey+R netplwiz elevated enable auto login (anyone can access at a local level though)
after thats set up try winkey+R shell:startup and copy a shortcut to core there


Thank you. I guess I wasn't clear. I didn't have network problems related to downloading the Core, in fact, no problems with respect to that. What I meant to say is that because I had network problems independently of downloading the Core, namely that I was offline because the modem kept dropping the signal, so I had to reset the modem and
given that I then had to then shut down the Core, I thought that that would be a good opportunity to test the progrm without the autologin and in fact a manual start worked fine. I get to decide when to start the Core app based on when I think Windows is done catching up initiating its processes. And also, without the autologin, it was much clearer what was going on when the program loaded and I had more control over the situation, so for me, no autologin is better.

Re: checksum, well you could call me imprudent, a polite expression for stupid, and I'll accept that but, years ago, after checking checksum #307 times and never having had found a checksum error I gave up checking. Probably not a good idea not to check with the Core, though. I'm curious, how often do you find a checksum mismatch?

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February 26, 2022, 09:33:12 PM
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Never had an issue with start with logon. Even now I have a VERY under powered laptop (3rd gen i5) with 8GB RAM and a 2TB SATA 7200RPM

Startup to usable GUI is about 4 1/2 minutes.
All the coins are loading their full GUI wallets.

-Dave

Interesting. By "startup" you mean "power on," right? If my "startup" means logging onto Windows, then it seemed that I waited minutes for the Core GUI app to fully appear and function. Waiting so long wasn't the problem. The problem was waiting and having no idea if the program initiated and thinking that maybe it didn't, then clicking on the app to initiate it (a double initiation) and that's were I got in trouble. Without the auto login I choose when Windows is ready and as soon as I click the Program I see evidence that it's assembling itself to run. . . . so no confusion and a smoother operation.

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February 26, 2022, 09:48:26 PM
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Never had an issue with start with logon. Even now I have a VERY under powered laptop (3rd gen i5) with 8GB RAM and a 2TB SATA 7200RPM

Startup to usable GUI is about 4 1/2 minutes.
All the coins are loading their full GUI wallets.

-Dave

Interesting. By "startup" you mean "power on," right? If my "startup" means logging onto Windows, then it seemed that I waited minutes for the Core GUI app to fully appear and function. Waiting so long wasn't the problem. The problem was waiting and having no idea if the program initiated and thinking that maybe it didn't, then clicking on the app to initiate it (a double initiation) and that's were I got in trouble. Without the auto login I choose when Windows is ready and as soon as I click the Program I see evidence that it's assembling itself to run. . . . so no confusion and a smoother operation.

Yes power on.
From the initial windows load till the password entry is about 45 seconds. Then close to another 4 minutes to finish up the rest of the loading.
Now the wallets are still doing their thing in the background at the 4 1/2 minute time. But you can see they are up and thinking.

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February 28, 2022, 12:55:44 PM
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16GB with an HDD is supposed to have decent running speeds on any bare OS. My Linux workstation has 16GB RAM + HDD. Did you try cleaning the bloat from your new Windows 11 first?

OEMs install and autostart a lot of junk into new PCs so that's where you want to trim fat first. I would also uninstall all packaged AVs and disable Windows defender - a bold move for sure - but they can only protect people from downloading malware disguised as movies or cheat codes.

From my experience, Bitcoin Core autostart is actually quite flawless on Linux KDE. But I never use it so I leave it off.

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