Putin next steps and where it may fail spectacularly

[paxmao]

1- negotiating and eventually accepting failure
2- "Stalin mode" - to arouse fear and demeanor
3- troop regrouping and ultimatums - "Kiev has 2 days to surrender or the nuclear bombs will make it disapear"

...  Why did he send 2000 mercenary troops to occupy Kyiv? ...

I can answer that, because all the generals in history have done the same thing: If soldiers have to die, better from an ally or mercenary because they have zero political costs. We are talking Cesar in Gaul using German and Gaul auxiliary cavalry, Napoleon using Polish troops, the Khans using foreign troops to approach city walls,... innumerable examples.

On top of that, if crimes against humanity are considered, Putin can put some distance to it. e.g. Bush using "security personnel" in Irak for the dirties tasks.

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[so98nn]

We cant really debate on this sensitive topic as it may appear that everyone has life beyond the national duty. Why the oldies are being forced to stay in the country. The country has come down to the point where they need their peeps to volunteer in the war game. The peeps who never handled the gun will be shooting wildly in the field, just imagine how bad it is.

I think we can just pray that things will come down to good terms and everything would reset sooner.

Economically, both countries gonna get hampered. Russia will be worst considering they are being banned from so many associations and SWIFTS.

[MCVXYZ]

The Ukrainians might be holding off for a while, but I think the Russian forces and the flat earth bombing of major cities are going to break their spirits in the long run. Also, when all men younger than 60 years old are killed in the clashes, mostly women and young children will be left behind to go on with their lives. (What future is that?)

Also, Putin must win this war... for his own people to fear him and for him to stay in power. A defeat to the Ukrainians will put doubts in their minds and we might see him being removed from power. 

Putin won't win this war even if it leads to death of many people. Ukraine has everything better than Russia(I don't mean military aspects, but the spirit of heroes). The truth is on the Ukraine's side and Russia's threat of nuclear bombs has no any real consequence for the international community. Russians have been  threatening the world for 22 years with their nuclear abilities, But look at today's world and international relations, European countries have common approach and approval on sanctions...

[fiulpro]

Well at the end of the day ukranians are fighting back, the president itself is fighting back, they are trying to do the best that they can for a really long time and at the end of the day, it's hard to imagine how many 18-19 year old men are fighting, 18-60 year old males are not allowed to cross any border and they are asked to go back and fight for their country, things are not really going that great. Putin is loosing trust of the world, not just his people, he wants to use nuclear weapon, he is threatening world war 3. Things are not really going great and at the end of the day I do believe that NATO needs to support because Ukraine is not going to step back and de-arm themselves..the negotiations are rude and stupid, let's see what happens. But Putin will be the person who started ww3 and destroyed the economy of this whole country

[MCVXYZ]

Well at the end of the day ukranians are fighting back, the president itself is fighting back, they are trying to do the best that they can for a really long time and at the end of the day, it's hard to imagine how many 18-19 year old men are fighting, 18-60 year old males are not allowed to cross any border and they are asked to go back and fight for their country, things are not really going that great. Putin is loosing trust of the world, not just his people, he wants to use nuclear weapon, he is threatening world war 3. Things are not really going great and at the end of the day I do believe that NATO needs to support because Ukraine is not going to step back and de-arm themselves..the negotiations are rude and stupid, let's see what happens. But Putin will be the person who started ww3 and destroyed the economy of this whole country

the impact of wars was always devastating, but the freedom of Ukrainian people is priceless, they do everything to protect their rights as the nation. We see  even old men fight with guns, they are very motivated and ready for death, therefore its impossible for Russians to win in the city with 2 million fighters.

[CaVO32]

Well at the end of the day ukranians are fighting back, the president itself is fighting back, they are trying to do the best that they can for a really long time and at the end of the day, it's hard to imagine how many 18-19 year old men are fighting, 18-60 year old males are not allowed to cross any border and they are asked to go back and fight for their country, things are not really going that great. Putin is loosing trust of the world, not just his people, he wants to use nuclear weapon, he is threatening world war 3. Things are not really going great and at the end of the day I do believe that NATO needs to support because Ukraine is not going to step back and de-arm themselves..the negotiations are rude and stupid, let's see what happens. But Putin will be the person who started ww3 and destroyed the economy of this whole country

the impact of wars was always devastating, but the freedom of Ukrainian people is priceless, they do everything to protect their rights as the nation. We see  even old men fight with guns, they are very motivated and ready for death, therefore its impossible for Russians to win in the city with 2 million fighters.

I am awaiting if other countries will help them in this war. Germany already are supplying weapons to Ukraine. But no country yet are waging war alongside with Ukraine as Putin declared that there will be ramifications for those who will intervene in this war. I believe some countries are still weighing on how can they help in this situation. They are more on talks right now, but they should not wait any longer as Putin is ready to destroy this country. He won't back out now if he doesn't get what he wants. I hope this will end the soonest as more and more civilians are being affected on this war.

[freedomgo]

Well at the end of the day ukranians are fighting back, the president itself is fighting back, they are trying to do the best that they can for a really long time and at the end of the day, it's hard to imagine how many 18-19 year old men are fighting, 18-60 year old males are not allowed to cross any border and they are asked to go back and fight for their country, things are not really going that great. Putin is loosing trust of the world, not just his people, he wants to use nuclear weapon, he is threatening world war 3. Things are not really going great and at the end of the day I do believe that NATO needs to support because Ukraine is not going to step back and de-arm themselves..the negotiations are rude and stupid, let's see what happens. But Putin will be the person who started ww3 and destroyed the economy of this whole country

the impact of wars was always devastating, but the freedom of Ukrainian people is priceless, they do everything to protect their rights as the nation. We see  even old men fight with guns, they are very motivated and ready for death, therefore its impossible for Russians to win in the city with 2 million fighters.

I am awaiting if other countries will help them in this war. Germany already are supplying weapons to Ukraine. But no country yet are waging war alongside with Ukraine as Putin declared that there will be ramifications for those who will intervene in this war. I believe some countries are still weighing on how can they help in this situation. They are more on talks right now, but they should not wait any longer as Putin is ready to destroy this country. He won't back out now if he doesn't get what he wants. I hope this will end the soonest as more and more civilians are being affected on this war.

I guess France and Germany have already decided to supply weapons to Ukraine but the rest of NATO countries have remained silent and undecided. Putin definitely wants trouble so he will end up adding it on the list if there will be other countries who will consider to backed Ukraine. However, as per update, Putin orders Russian nuclear deterrence forces on high alert. I think if these Russians will start using ballistic missiles, that would probably means a total mass destruction on part of Ukraine. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/27/ukraine-holds-on-to-kyiv-as-dawn-breaks-as-us-and-europe-impose-massive-new-sanctions.html

[Wiwo]

The latest news says that Russia was able to arrange a meeting with the Ukrainian delegation in the city of Gomel, which is located in Belarus. The President of Belarus was able to convince Zelensky to meet with Russian representatives.
Let's pray that the negotiations will be held at the right level, and finally, the unnecessary war will be stopped.

Am very optimistic there is going to be a balanced ground for the two countries, we all pray for a favorable outcome in the ongoing negotiations Russian President Putin said Russia is ready for negotiations. The whole world is watching and praying for global peace.

We cant really debate on this sensitive topic as it may appear that everyone has life beyond the national duty. Why the oldies are being forced to stay in the country. The country has come down to the point where they need their peeps to volunteer in the war game. The peeps who never handled the gun will be shooting wildly in the field, just imagine how bad it is.

I think we can just pray that things will come down to good terms and everything would reset sooner.

Economically, both countries gonna get hampered. Russia will be worst considering they are being banned from so many associations and SWIFTS.

Despite the fact that Ukrainians are ready to defend their sovereignty and the male adults from the age of 18 to 60 are ordered not to leave Ukraine most of them already getting military training to protect themselves and their country from Russian invasion, but war is not going to favor anybody since it only leads to destruction with long term negative impact on both countries.

[Captain Corporate]

 If he goes with the nuclear option, thats going to reall ychange the world as we all know it. Nuclear is radioactive, which means it is not just a bomb that blows up some place, it will also make it unhabitable for a long time and will go miles and miles, hundreds of miles away as well so anything near it will be cancerous to people to live. Do not even consider the fact that we are talking about food, fish, trees, animals all getting radioactive and kill people when consumed. So basically this would increase the avarage of cancer patients all over europe. And this is only russia that nukes a place, do not even get me started on other nations responding, we may have a world where we can't live, human life could end if all nukes are sent. Even irrelevant continents would be unhabitable and every single human would be dead.

[fullhdpixel]

I am awaiting if other countries will help them in this war. Germany already are supplying weapons to Ukraine. But no country yet are waging war alongside with Ukraine as Putin declared that there will be ramifications for those who will intervene in this war. I believe some countries are still weighing on how can they help in this situation. They are more on talks right now, but they should not wait any longer as Putin is ready to destroy this country. He won't back out now if he doesn't get what he wants. I hope this will end the soonest as more and more civilians are being affected on this war.

Only weapons they supply? what about soldiers? I think it is also needed because I can see that even the regular citizen of Ukraine are now being forced to fight but what can these poor people do? they didn't have any experience. Maybe the Germans are also scared when they hear Puttin say those things because they know his attitude and they know that Russians are a strong type of people. They better hurry up because puttin is heating up. I'm afraid that more and more places are going to get damaged as the war continues.

We that are away, praying is the only thing that we can do, for now. I remember that we can also donate our cryptos. They also need it right now.

[stadus]

I am awaiting if other countries will help them in this war. Germany already are supplying weapons to Ukraine. But no country yet are waging war alongside with Ukraine as Putin declared that there will be ramifications for those who will intervene in this war. I believe some countries are still weighing on how can they help in this situation. They are more on talks right now, but they should not wait any longer as Putin is ready to destroy this country. He won't back out now if he doesn't get what he wants. I hope this will end the soonest as more and more civilians are being affected on this war.

Only weapons they supply? what about soldiers? I think it is also needed because I can see that even the regular citizen of Ukraine are now being forced to fight but what can these poor people do? they didn't have any experience. Maybe the Germans are also scared when they hear Puttin say those things because they know his attitude and they know that Russians are a strong type of people. They better hurry up because puttin is heating up. I'm afraid that more and more places are going to get damaged as the war continues.

We that are away, praying is the only thing that we can do, for now. I remember that we can also donate our cryptos. They also need it right now.

Well, Ukraine has already been accepting crypto donations now like bitcoin, ethereum and tether. And as far as i know, Ukraine has not been receiving from other NATO countries its soldiers to fight against Russia, instead they have been receiving weapons from France and Germany. No one really knows what will be the next move of Putin, im afraid that if he resort using those nuclear weapons, it will cause a lot of disasters and destructions for sure, not only in Ukraine, but even for those neighboring countries.

[stompix]

So is Putin spending 20 billion per day over mercenary, separatist, and Chechen guerilla fighters? If Putin only doing these to annex Ukraine then I must say he is dumb. But is that really that simple? I do not think so. What if Putin attacks Poland or other Eastern NATO countries with Belarus?

Sending them to commit suicide.
Unlike Ukraine which has soldiers willing to fight but without weapons we in Europe have a ton of them, and unlike Ukrainians who have families and friends in Russia, a lot of us deeply hate Russia, we hate them from the bottom of our hearts, there will be no hesitation when answering this attack! Have you seen the polish response? It's the same for a lot of us.

Plus, how do you plan on invading an alliance that only in Europe has 400 million poeple, with what? They don't have enough resources to compete mobilize 200 000 men and they will fight on a 2000km front? Get real!
Putin has managed to piss everyone, even the Nordic countries who were normally neutral on everything, he has managed to bring the UK closer to Europe then it was before Brexit, everyone was talking about not underestimating Russia, the thing is nobody should underestimate Europe. Stop talking about Napoleon and Hitler, think about what we did to the world when were united and not fighting against each other!

If he goes with the nuclear option, thats going to reall ychange the world as we all know it. Nuclear is radioactive, which means it is not just a bomb that blows up some place, it will also make it unhabitable for a long time and will go miles and miles, hundreds of miles away as well so anything near it will be cancerous to people to live. Do not even consider the fact that we are talking about food, fish, trees, animals all getting radioactive and kill people when consumed. So basically this would increase the avarage of cancer patients all over europe. And this is only russia that nukes a place, do not even get me started on other nations responding, we may have a world where we can't live, human life could end if all nukes are sent. Even irrelevant continents would be unhabitable and every single human would be dead.

Nuclear bombs don't work this way.
This is Hiroshima, 1945,1946,1948, 1953



By 1950 it had 285,712 poeple living there and now more than 1 million.   

[el kaka22]

As long as there is no nuclear war, I am definitely fine with him losing. The only thing that scares me about the current situation is that Putin will try his best and at the very worst case if he looks like he is losing then he may try a nuclear war, and in that case everything will be looking a lot worse. Doesn't mean that I want him to win the war to avoid nuclear war, just means I hope someone in Russia stops him before he starts it. That way we would both save ourselves from a nuclear war AND get rid of Putin at the same time. It will not be easy but it won't be impossible neither.

We could totally see some Russian oligarchs get together and talk about how much money they have lost because of him and dispose of him because of it.

[molsewid]

As long as there is no nuclear war, I am definitely fine with him losing. The only thing that scares me about the current situation is that Putin will try his best and at the very worst case if he looks like he is losing then he may try a nuclear war, and in that case everything will be looking a lot worse. Doesn't mean that I want him to win the war to avoid nuclear war, just means I hope someone in Russia stops him before he starts it. That way we would both save ourselves from a nuclear war AND get rid of Putin at the same time. It will not be easy but it won't be impossible neither.

We could totally see some Russian oligarchs get together and talk about how much money they have lost because of him and dispose of him because of it.

That's the main concern of everyone right now because we know what could be the possible damage that the nuclear weapon may bring to human kind. I do hope that this war will over as soon as possible and could not damage more in both country. Everyone wants to live in peace and that's what we also hope and wish to both affected country. I will not going to condemn the both leaders which one is right but I just hope that both will come to their mind and have a peace talk to avoid more damage and cost more lives.

[Ararbermas]

In my view, Ukraine cannot be defeated until the Ukrainians themselves decide that they have been defeated.

unfortunately Ukrainians are very brave and ready to die fro their country, wherein even there president joined the battle including womens.

The big mistake of putin is he underestimate Ukrainians and he expecting that within days he can make all the people from Ukraine surrender.

[Marvell1]

As long as there is no nuclear war, I am definitely fine with him losing. The only thing that scares me about the current situation is that Putin will try his best and at the very worst case if he looks like he is losing then he may try a nuclear war, and in that case everything will be looking a lot worse. Doesn't mean that I want him to win the war to avoid nuclear war, just means I hope someone in Russia stops him before he starts it. That way we would both save ourselves from a nuclear war AND get rid of Putin at the same time. It will not be easy but it won't be impossible neither.

We could totally see some Russian oligarchs get together and talk about how much money they have lost because of him and dispose of him because of it.

If he deploys nuclear weapons, a third world war is possible. Putin deploys nuclear war, he will be considered more cruel than Hitler, and that cruelty will last forever. I think by all means the great powers US and China will not let that happen.
It's doomsday. I don't expect anyone to win, I hope the negotiation goes well and neither side has to lose any more.

[Hydrogen]

Nuclear bombs don't work this way.
This is Hiroshima, 1945,1946,1948, 1953



By 1950 it had 285,712 poeple living there and now more than 1 million.   

If the fireball of the nuclear detonation touches the surface, it produces large quantities of radioactive dust, which are long term hazardous to human health.

If the nuclear weapon is detonated at altitude, and the fireball doesn't touch the surface, as was the case with hiroshima. Considerably less radioactive dust is produced, drastically improving chances of survival.

Curvature of the earth and horizon line of sight limits also affect the distance the blast radius is able to cover. A spotter positioned on a cliff can "see" further than a person at ground level. Likewise a nuke detonated at higher altitude will "spread" to cover a wider distance, than one detonated at ground zero.

There is also a powerful EMP burst produced by nuclear detonation which destroys electronics.

[monineklutak]

In my view, Ukraine cannot be defeated until the Ukrainians themselves decide that they have been defeated.

unfortunately Ukrainians are very brave and ready to die fro their country, wherein even there president joined the battle including womens.

The big mistake of putin is he underestimate Ukrainians and he expecting that within days he can make all the people from Ukraine surrender.

That's true even I was quite surprised to hear that Ukrainian civilians were also in the war,
it is a form of love for their homeland I really salute that,
despite all that I really hope this war can end and the world will return to peace

[paxmao]

Nuclear bombs don't work this way.
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By 1950 it had 285,712 poeple living there and now more than 1 million.   

If the fireball of the nuclear detonation touches the surface, it produces large quantities of radioactive dust, which are long term hazardous to human health.

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I think we are forgetting one of the most important facts about nuclear weapons: He who uses one has the certainty that it will not be the last one fired. That is the main reason why they have not been used after WW II.

If Putin uses the old USSR nuclear arsenal, retaliation and counter retaliation are likely to follow... nuclear winter, all humanity dead... How do you de-escalate after a nuke??

[andriarto]

In my view, Ukraine cannot be defeated until the Ukrainians themselves decide that they have been defeated.

unfortunately Ukrainians are very brave and ready to die fro their country, wherein even there president joined the battle including womens.

The big mistake of putin is he underestimate Ukrainians and he expecting that within days he can make all the people from Ukraine surrender.

That's true even I was quite surprised to hear that Ukrainian civilians were also in the war,
it is a form of love for their homeland I really salute that,
despite all that I really hope this war can end and the world will return to peace

I also read the news that Miss Universe Ukraine also wore army uniforms and took up arms. so if ordinary civilians dare to defend their country then it is not easy to be defeated, and the possibility of the dispute will last longer, but hopefully that doesn't happen, and both countries realize that humanity is more important than ambition and ego