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February 27, 2022, 09:40:35 PM
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My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

His profit is simple, to win and control Ukraine region. Putin is not looking for financial benefit but a proof of superiority against Ukraine and if Putin get this to him he will assume the war is profitable to him anything else less for Putin is not profitable. To take Zelensky (Ukraine president) or chase him out from Ukraine is the target and the Ukraine president refused to bow out.
Putin's ambitions are getting worse to rule over Ukraine since NATO plans to build a base in Ukraine. Putin always thinks that Ukraine is part of Russia and must be taken back, that's why Putin said that the people of Donetsk and Luhansk were colonized by the Ukrainian government even though the city was under the control of the Ukrainian government.

It is wrong to say that Russia wants Ukraine without any economic interest, Russia thinks that by controlling Ukraine they can compete with the US and Chinese economies.

I don't think he is thinking if what he is doing right now is profitable or not. His main target right now is to overtake Ukraine at any cost. There may be economic reasons why he want Ukraine not to be part of NATO, because of sea-based control of Ukraine. But greed is the reason why Putin is doing this. He doesn't want Ukraine to be on its own. Sadly, both Russians and Ukranians are suffering in this pointless war. He should forget about the USSR concept because it has long been gone. Those countries already have their own government. He should take care of his instead.
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February 27, 2022, 10:01:54 PM
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Putin had my full support all the time the diplomacy meeting were being held. But the moment he launched attack, he lost my support because I believe no country should invade another. There are many other ways to win with no innocent dying.

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February 27, 2022, 10:05:21 PM
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If it was for financial profit Putin would have devised a more profitable approach but the goal is for territorial dorminance and this is why he has channelled so much wealth to see to it he makes his point clear to NATO and the world that he is ready to go in with any one who dares to interfere in the war. And zelensky is also not willing to give in and  zelensky is willing to stay back to secure this same territory
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February 28, 2022, 02:15:51 AM
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One the one hand, I agree that the one thing that keeps you at war is money. This is also the reason why in every step of the way, the sanctions have always been focused on Russia's economy. From the moment the country started to build up its troops on the border, to the moment Putin actually ordered the attack, until now when the invasion is still going on. The sanctions have always been directed at Russia's elite and wealthy, Russian banks, Russian international deals, and so on. This is to deprive them of money, and, therefore, make them quit from the war.

However, on the side of Putin, this is definitely not about money. He's deranged, after all.

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February 28, 2022, 10:36:53 AM
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My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

Not profitable, but with their country's security he is willing to even spend more for it.
If Putin doesn't act today, Ukraine might become a member of NATO and Russia badly does not want that to happen. You don't want your enemy sit near close to your border. That logic alone is already a threat for their national security.

I think nobody is profiting on this war, even we are affected when the oil stars to rise

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February 28, 2022, 11:27:20 AM
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My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

Not profitable, but with their country's security he is willing to even spend more for it.
If Putin doesn't act today, Ukraine might become a member of NATO and Russia badly does not want that to happen. You don't want your enemy sit near close to your border. That logic alone is already a threat for their national security.

I think nobody is profiting on this war, even we are affected when the oil stars to rise

That "your enemy" thinking is what really started this aggression by Putin. Russia is not communist, is no longer the URSS and has developed strong economic ties with the West and the East. The yachts of the Russian elite sail and dock in Marbella while they enjoy the capitalist system of the US, the international trade and even own Football clubs in UK.

What is this madness of "the enemy"? Russia without Putin would now be a great global player benefiting from trade and sharing wealth. This is more about egomania rather than Realpolitik.

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February 28, 2022, 11:49:36 AM
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My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

It's very hard to quantify the losses Russia faces due to the Ukrainian war. The stock market collapsed, Rubble is going down, international trade stopped, many new sanctions are coming up. On top of that is all the military equipment being lost in less than a week. Every jet, tank or helicopter that goes down cost several million. All these costs together need to have some form of profit that Putin hopes to gain Ukraine. One Profit is that he hopes to get access to the natural resources, like natural gas. If he changes the government and installs a pro Russian prime minister he could also control the large companies in Ukraine.
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March 02, 2022, 07:52:36 AM
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My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

It's very hard to quantify the losses Russia faces due to the Ukrainian war. The stock market collapsed, Rubble is going down, international trade stopped, many new sanctions are coming up. On top of that is all the military equipment being lost in less than a week. Every jet, tank or helicopter that goes down cost several million. All these costs together need to have some form of profit that Putin hopes to gain Ukraine. One Profit is that he hopes to get access to the natural resources, like natural gas. If he changes the government and installs a pro Russian prime minister he could also control the large companies in Ukraine.
Of course there is a purpose behind the war and economic calculations must be careful, considering that the capital that will be issued is not small. This conflict started from the overthrow of the pro-Russian president in 2014, until now it has heated up and there has been an invasion. If the invasion is successful this time, Russia will get natural resources and get an honorary state which of course is due to the competition between the West Block and the East Block.

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March 02, 2022, 10:42:50 AM
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All realize that war requires logistics, weapons and tools needed for war, what is said by: @Napoleon there is a point, but money can't guarantee an independent country at war, it's only for resources.

This question, commonly known in war, is the 'beneficiary' side.
My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

I don't want to mention that behind Russia attacking Ukraine, Putin can gain, only he knows and Putin's staff.

From several histories of wars the advantage of certain parties is very clear, the reason they create wars, but this is something that is commonly known by many people, but prefers to keep their mouths shut, that's what happened.

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March 04, 2022, 12:03:27 PM
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We don't really know what's on Putin's mind, however the economy of Ukraine is quite good even when the GDP of Ukraine is the lowest among the countries ng Europe. However, we cannot deny the fact the Ukraine has a rich agriculture, in fact Ukraine is a world leader when it comes to agricultural export.

I think that is one of the factor Putin considered so he makes a move to attack Ukraine and maybe, conquer the whole Ukraine to gain power.
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March 04, 2022, 12:10:42 PM
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This is why money is the root of evil and this war just making profits to parties associated with and the sad part of these that civilians is the main victims here. This is why this war should be stop as soon as possible because the longer it takes the more lives will be wasted.

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March 04, 2022, 12:12:23 PM
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According to Napoleon, wars require just three things: "money, money and money". - this is probably not a true quote. "The sinews of war are infinite money" - this is attributed to Cicero and is probably true, " The first and most imperative necessity in war is money" - from Ida Turbel.... well I am sure you get the idea.

My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

We cannot see any benefits in Russian side on this wat since we see sanctions everywhere happening these days and people who are in Russia is suffering so much towards those sanction impose to them. The primary intention of Putin about this is Ukraine shouldn't join nato since the power of USA will widespread more and they can control the country they want to target, we can see how strong their presence since when they impose sanction on Russia many other country follows. That's why this war for Ukraine is maybe a way of Putin to warn others not to join on NATO.

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According to Napoleon, wars require just three things: "money, money and money". - this is probably not a true quote. "The sinews of war are infinite money" - this is attributed to Cicero and is probably true, " The first and most imperative necessity in war is money" - from Ida Turbel.... well I am sure you get the idea.

My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

Money because money means resources! In the end, you can't put money in the tank, you can't fire money from a rifle, soldiers can't eat money! So the statements of Napoleon and Cicero are simplified. If one thinks that money can buy everything he is wrong!

Profit is in the long run, just imagine all the resources that Ukraine has! The prices of everything are jumping, resources are less or hard to come by, so having valuable resources means a lot! Another thing, which is not profit but it's important, Russia wants a buffer zone between them and NATO troops, it doesn't want to allow them to park closer! This is certainly useful in case of any conflict, which is, as we see, very possible!

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My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

One of the greatest recent achievements Russia could have made into record but unsuccessful is acquiring Ukraine, lets take a look at it this way that a rich man in a particular environment could just wake up one day and wanted to buy up all the neighbouring environments close to his house so as to be in charge and have control over every activities within his reach, now this will include the lives both human and their livestocks, land, properties and the natural resources embedded within the region.

But am surprised seen Russia still exhibiting an old way of enslaving people through engaging them in war in other to cart away all their belongings which i personally sees this as Russia been selfish and covetous, now this is a modern way of slavery, if something is close within your reach doesn't means it belongs to you, sharing geographical boundaries and similarities in cultural believes doesn't mean that Russia can impose authority on Ukraine and i see Putin not contempted and for such a person, only death can be their satisfaction.



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March 04, 2022, 10:38:39 PM
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My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

One of the greatest recent achievements Russia could have made into record but unsuccessful is acquiring Ukraine, lets take a look at it this way that a rich man in a particular environment could just wake up one day and wanted to buy up all the neighbouring environments close to his house so as to be in charge and have control over every activities within his reach, now this will include the lives both human and their livestocks, land, properties and the natural resources embedded within the region.

But am surprised seen Russia still exhibiting an old way of enslaving people through engaging them in war in other to cart away all their belongings which i personally sees this as Russia been selfish and covetous, now this is a modern way of slavery, if something is close within your reach doesn't means it belongs to you, sharing geographical boundaries and similarities in cultural believes doesn't mean that Russia can impose authority on Ukraine and i see Putin not contempted and for such a person, only death can be their satisfaction.
Yes, Putin never realised the after effects as well as the lives of people. He wants everything to be under his control. Even in the bilateral talks between the country, there were statements to remove Zelenskyy from power and appoint former president Viktor Yanukovych who is very close to the Russian government. This won't come to an end easily. Now the ego could've got triggered, and that's the reason why the airforce have come into the attack.

This time the war is not about money, but it is all about power and trying to establish their potential to the world. Ukraine is nothing down to Russia in any means. Most important reasons behind the war seems to be the growth happening within Ukraine and the European countries support.
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March 05, 2022, 12:15:55 AM
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I will also quote Sun Tzu's saying, "In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity."
Even though it's not only Putin here who does this but there are several other parties who will definitely take advantage of this but of course with the mess that Putin has made there, he certainly has a way to use the opportunities that come to him to his advantage.
Because I personally see this for now will not be finished because at least one side must lose, whether Ukraine will be destroyed or Putin forced to step down.

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I think that Putin the least interested him, for now, are the benefits, it governs one of the most influential and powerful countries in the world, history has shown that these "dictators" suffer from Hubris.

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March 05, 2022, 08:45:53 AM
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This is why money is the root of evil and this war just making profits to parties associated with and the sad part of these that civilians is the main victims here. This is why this war should be stop as soon as possible because the longer it takes the more lives will be wasted.
That's true because a few days ago I read the news that there were several victims who died including civilians,
certainly sad to hear that you could say they lost almost everything,
Many public infrastructures were destroyed by war,
I don't know when this war will end and I hope the world can return to peace

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According to Napoleon, wars require just three things: "money, money and money". - this is probably not a true quote. "The sinews of war are infinite money" - this is attributed to Cicero and is probably true, " The first and most imperative necessity in war is money" - from Ida Turbel.... well I am sure you get the idea.

My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?
putin's advantage in this war i see for the long term, if ukraine can be under russian control then they will not worry about the gas line from russia to europe which has been passing through ukraine.  In addition, Russia can benefit from rising gas and oil prices, just look at the new Russian invasion, immediately world oil prices rose.

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March 05, 2022, 11:34:36 AM
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I guess Putin is fighting for the betterment of Russian people not to allow other countries to control their resources and other things in the country. Putin is not doing those things because of money he will achieve from the government account because he is a wealthy man in the country which many citizens knew him as a good man that want the best for his country. Putin is fighting for power not money because he understood that when you have power, to get money to improve the economy the war has collapsed is very easy to achieve in the country. Based on the announcement Putin made today show that he will definitely achieve the power for this war between them and Ukraine country.

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