Everyone in signature campaigns. Let's help the Ukrainian People.

[DaveF]

Mods: Not sure where to put this, but I figure the discussion page is as good as anyplace.

I was staring at this weeks payment and said what the heck am I doing, the BTC is nice but I really don't need it at the moment.
So I went to the https://unrefugees.org/SupportUkraine page and gave them $200 on my credit card.

And I just posted this in the ChipMixer thread:

DarkStar_, would you please be so kind and change my payment address to the Ukrainian donation address.
And tell them it would be nice if they did matching donations :-)

Code:

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I am DaveF until I say otherwise please send my weekly payments to 357a3So9CbsNfBBgFYACGvxxS6tMaDoa1P Please note that is the Ukrainian donation address so when I change it again I will sign a message from address I am using now bc1qquutf3venv8rufrqua7dv3t6rd2tl28ake4ag5
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
bc1qquutf3venv8rufrqua7dv3t6rd2tl28ake4ag5
IPDohrBelDjADkMrm2QAw8CgrSZb9lAPRir4dstGjKsiPVo0V/o80/7iZvZTrmvabTrA17Ta07No/9wnSNtGGOU=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

-Dave

So far all of you in any campaign, if you *need* the money then don't change. If you don't need it; if you were just saving it, or using it for spare beer money or anything else, at least for a week or two, please change where it goes and donate to some people who can really use it.

-Dave

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[marilynmanson21]

Sorry in advance, is this fundraising official or just one-sided?
I'm traumatized by donating to a fundraiser because there are negative things that make me not interested in donating (just I know)

[DaveF]

It's the bitcoin address posted by the Ukrainian government on twitter
https://twitter.com/Ukraine
BTC - 357a3So9CbsNfBBgFYACGvxxS6tMaDoa1P
ETH and USDT (ERC-20) - 0x165CD37b4C644C2921454429E7F9358d18A45e14

So it's not like it's going to me.
Going to have to stay on top of it in case the address changes for some reason. But it is about as legitimate as you are going to find.

I just figured for those of us that are not reliant on the signature campaign funds to eat or survive or really need to pay bills can just donate it.

-Dave

[Lucius]

I would still choose a different approach and send an anonymous donation, without it going directly from the CM address and linking to your BTT account. Although I have seen in several places that this address is mentioned as verified by the Ukrainian government, I have not seen that there is a signed message confirming this.

In addition, this address is linked to the BTC address reported for scam -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387561.msg59381689#msg59381689

[Charles-Tim]

I would still choose a different approach and send an anonymous donation, without it going directly from the CM address and linking to your BTT account. Although I have seen in several places that this address is mentioned as verified by the Ukrainian government, I have not seen that there is a signed message confirming this.

It is the real address, it is correct.

You can check the whole news there, even Vitalik Buterin that thought it was scam before later admitted it is not.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/ukraine-accepts-bitcoin-ethereum-usdt-donations-to-fund-ongoing-war

In addition, this address is linked to the BTC address reported for scam -> [url]https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387561.msg59381689#msg59381689[/url]

No. This is the scam address:

Scammer's address, do not send BTC to this scam address
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5937/59375159.html
1BBRwDXcD7fwutz1ePDEg9f1uMhpT5gMH3

[DaveF]

I would still choose a different approach and send an anonymous donation, without it going directly from the CM address and linking to your BTT account.

Why? I have seen dozens of posts here with people saying they support the Ukraine and are donating.
AND it will (hopefully) cut down on some of the scamming attempts [It probably won't but I can hope]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387561.0

-Dave

[Lucius]

It is the real address, it is correct.

I just posted a link to a post where is information that funds from BTC address 357a3So9CbsNfBBgFYACGvxxS6tMaDoa1P are transferred to BTC address 3CcF942kYVRotGrfYQxD4QNn4aKVywpRxb. That address was reported for hacking/blackmail in August 2021 : https://www.bitcoinabuse.com/reports/3CcF942kYVRotGrfYQxD4QNn4aKVywpRxb

I am not claiming anything, only that the ownership of the BTC address is proven by signing a message, and not by posting on social media that can be hacked.

Why? I have seen dozens of posts here with people saying they support the Ukraine and are donating.

I didn’t comment on anyone’s good intentions at all, but the way how to do it. You need to know that every Ukrainian supporter is a Russian enemy, and we all know how they treat enemies.

[pooya87]

It is good that people "care so much" about the injustice in the world but I hope some day they care about all aggression in the world against all human beings not just those that the media is dictating them to care about.

For example if you go about 2000 miles to the south east of Ukraine there are civilian houses in a city not so unlike Kyiv that were bombed 12 times yesterday killing hundreds of innocent people. This has been going on for 7 years. I'm talking about Yemen, what UNICEF calls "largest humanitarian crises in the world". Of course your media doesn't cover it or tells you about it in a footnote with false information, simply because US is selling the bombs that drop on those cities!
I bet none of you even heard that a single air raid yesterday killed more civilians in Saana than those wounded in the past 5 days in Ukraine.

[DaveF]

I didn’t comment on anyone’s good intentions at all, but the way how to do it. You need to know that every Ukrainian supporter is a Russian enemy, and we all know how they treat enemies.

If the Russians are worried about some random internet dude donating a few hundred dollars more then the CEOs and other world leaders then they have way too much time on their hands.
I think the asshole in the F150 that decided that red lights are optional is a larger threat to me. (This may just be the morning commute talking)

It is good that people "care so much" about the injustice in the world but I hope some day they care about all aggression in the world against all human beings not just those that the media is dictating them to care about.

For example if you go about 2000 miles to the south east of Ukraine there are civilian houses in a city not so unlike Kyiv that were bombed 12 times yesterday killing hundreds of innocent people. This has been going on for 7 years. I'm talking about Yemen, what UNICEF calls "largest humanitarian crises in the world". Of course your media doesn't cover it or tells you about it in a footnote with false information, simply because US is selling the bombs that drop on those cities!
I bet none of you even heard that a single air raid yesterday killed more civilians in Saana than those wounded in the past 5 days in Ukraine.

The war in Yemen is (well was till last week) mentioned on and off again in the news.
BUT the major difference is as far as I know (and correct me if I'm wrong) it's an internal civil war. It's a shit show to be sure but it's not like they were invaded.

-Dave

[pooya87]

BUT the major difference is as far as I know (and correct me if I'm wrong) it's an internal civil war. It's a shit show to be sure but it's not like they were invaded.

It is an invasion when it is Saudi planes that bomb Yemen and the coalition's forces occupy parts of it forcefully. The reason is partly religious wars that Saudis wage on others and partly Saudis wanting more power by expanding their borders, that is if their genocide succeeds.

The geopolitical advantage of Yemen, one of the poorest countries, has made it their dream target. The country has control over Gulf of Aden and the choke-point known as Bab al-Mandab Strait which is one of the most important straits considering the amount of world's energy that passes through it every day, connecting Red Sea to the Indian Ocean. It is also one of the few places (specially compared to the "mostly desert" Saudi Arabia) that is suitable for agriculture and is facing a less severe water crisis.

In other words under the hood it's not "internal civil war", it's about annexation.

[GeorgeJohn]

Sorry in advance, is this fundraising official or just one-sided?
I'm traumatized by donating to a fundraiser because there are negative things that make me not interested in donating (just I know)

I want to know the negatives thing that's base known to you, if you have some facts then it's better you portray to the community, like i seen some people who said something somewhere about the payment ID, some such suggestion or point is ideal, this is a voluntary donations which is not mandatory that everyone most compromise or attest to it.

[franky1]

so i thought id help the refugee's in poland via actual products they need, by doing my research with a local charity that actually does have distribution set up and organised to get to poland next week

in my area they are doing a 'drop off point' where people can drop off things like:
phone chargers, powerbanks, torches, walkie-talkies, batteries, sleeping bags, blankets, long life food, clothing etc

so i used a known electrical equipment company that accepts bitcoin and bought a whole load of the electrical stuff
about 100x of each of the 5 first items in list above

should be delivered to the local drop off point by Thursday, then off to poland by next week

next step is using a food/clothing store that does high stock amounts of long life food/clothing, and get an order done to deliver to the drop off location
i personally dont like giving financial funds to charities/organisations, because once they receive it they may waste it on non-essential stuff, or hoard it via excuses of planning how to spend it.
(most charities only put 10% of funds into the frontline purpose advertised, rest is wasted on admin/advertising/logistics and investments)

[Haunebu]

Admirable stuff op. Screw Putin and his insane mindset. It's always good to see members of this forum unite for a cause as usual. Won't donate myself since my financial situation isn't optimal currently.

so i thought id help the refugee's in poland via actual products they need, by doing my research with a local charity that actually does have distribution set up and organised to get to poland next week

in my area they are doing a 'drop off point' where people can drop off things like:
phone chargers, powerbanks, torches, walkie-talkies, batteries, sleeping bags, blankets, long life food, clothing etc

so i used a known electrical equipment company that accepts bitcoin and bought a whole load of the electrical stuff
about 100x of each of the 5 first items in list above

Epic stuff. The crazy temperatures in Ukraine are making matters worse for them which is why the essentials that you are helping out with could help save lives in several ways. 

[LeGaulois]

On that point, I have to agree with @franky1.

I would rather be buying useful products than sending money. It's more effective as assistance, and it has an immediate impact. It's true that charities don't spend their funds in a fair manner. There have been some 'scandals' (with the CEO getting dinners in palaces, or some  getting an outrageous paycheck,...), and this is a general way of working with them).

How about we create a buy group among us. We could organize a campaign among the members of bitcointalk (no matter if they are in a signature campaign)

One person would be responsible for buying essentials we listed from a shop accepting Bitcoin and delivering them to a charity that we would designate in order.

If something starts to do it, let's do it in this thread (if @DaveF doesn't mind of course)

[DaveF]

On that point, I have to agree with @franky1.

I would rather be buying useful products than sending money. It's more effective as assistance, and it has an immediate impact. It's true that charities don't spend their funds in a fair manner. There have been some 'scandals' (with the CEO getting dinners in palaces, or some  getting an outrageous paycheck,...), and this is a general way of working with them).

How about we create a buy group among us. We could organize a campaign among the members of bitcointalk (no matter if they are in a signature campaign)

One person would be responsible for buying essentials we listed from a shop accepting Bitcoin and delivering them to a charity that we would designate in order.

If something starts to do it, let's do it in this thread (if @DaveF doesn't mind of course)

No problem posting here, but I do think a new thread with a different subject would be better.
I was hoping to guilt some others into donating and being public about it.
Didn't seem to work, have to talk to my friends Italian grandmother about how to generate guilt better :-)

However, we have to be very careful to avoid this which was why I was going with the public donation to the known addresses:

As for the charity thing, yeah that is a shitshow. But it's a shitshow of our own making. I have lost count, what is this the 3rd or 4th time in recent memory that there has been some group of us here making donations to something that went sideways? Not saying the funds were stolen or not used properly since we don't know for sure but look back at the  Bruno / Phinnaeus Gage / Gleb Gamow fiasco https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5251105.0 there was another one last year but I don't remember the name at the moment. I'm sure there are more that I just did not notice.

We as a group should come up with a set of "guidelines" so to speak on how to deal with donation / charity situations.
Or, it's going to keep happening.



-Dave

[Upgrade00]

I would rather be buying useful products than sending money. It's more effective as assistance, and it has an immediate impact. It's true that charities don't spend their funds in a fair manner. There have been some 'scandals' (with the CEO getting dinners in palaces, or some  getting an outrageous paycheck,...), and this is a general way of working with them).

True. A lot of people have lost faith in charity organization and how much of donations actually get to the people they were donated for with logistics  like transportation and lodgings taking an ample cut.

How about we create a buy group among us. We could organize a campaign among the members of bitcointalk (no matter if they are in a signature campaign)

One person would be responsible for buying essentials we listed from a shop accepting Bitcoin and delivering them to a charity that we would designate in order.

This is a better idea to get the aid to the people, but would be much harder than copying and pasting a donation address; as the process has to be monitored and handled by an actual person on the forum. It is however doable.

[Fundamentals Of]

I was hoping to guilt some others into donating and being public about it.

Regardless, whether you've successfully guilt people to donating or not, at least you've done your part. What the world needs are people who act, people like you who walk the talk, and find ways to be of help. You've initiated something good. Personally, it's just that I am not that big of a fan of international organizations raising funds everywhere. The funds will have to pass through a lot of hands and every time a slice is taken. The more the local the donation drive is, the better.

[franky1]

as for establishing a "buying group"..again no need
just make all the info the 'buying group' would have gathered, public. so people can just buy themselves without the group

EG get some ukrainian LEGITIMATE grocery stores/electronics/clothing store that offer btc as payment and offer delivery
and for refugees in poland
get some polish LEGITIMATE grocery stores/electronics/clothing store that offer btc as payment and offer delivery

and also list some actual LEGIT  'border reception centres'/shelters/'safe stay centres'
that way people can organise themselves without having to divulge/hand over their donations into some middle man public group

..
yes i know half of charity is about the advertising and then having a nice 'totaliser' and accounting spreadsheet to show how much went to help. which doing independently/anonymously doesnt really cater for

[icopress]

[...] but I don't know if you want to comment in this thread about what you think would be best, since you are there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387586.0

Thanks for directing me. I agree with LeGaulois that no one knows who is behind the @ukraine twitter account and where this money is spent, I monitor several telegram channels and they all say that it is worth donating money only through the official mobile application. Perhaps this is out of place, but I certainly know that one of the creators of this application is involved in a fraudulent ICO that raised $ 30 million (I cannot publicly report this yet, but if anyone is interested, I can send a link to my investigation in a PM). I will also soon try to delve into what Lucius said (about the connection of a charitable bitcoin address with bitcoin addresses of scammers).

How about we create a buy group among us. We could organize a campaign among the members of bitcointalk (no matter if they are in a signature campaign) One person would be responsible for buying essentials we listed from a shop accepting Bitcoin and delivering them to a charity that we would designate in order. If something starts to do it, let's do it in this thread (if @DaveF doesn't mind of course)

I tend to think that many small charities are more effective because of their flexibility and the absence of a huge chain of people managing these funds. Personally, as you understand, for the last 5 days I have been living in a rather tense state listening to the siren for 4 hours a day, but I still do some volunteer work every day to protect myself and my family. And I do it because I'm afraid ... I'm afraid of losing my home, I'm afraid to take my relatives to a psychologist, I'm afraid to die in the end. Therefore, if someone really wants to help with something, he can look at this post.

I have no experience in managing charitable funds but I know how to help my city here locally, maybe this initiative will help pay for additional power generators, food or gasoline, since all the largest wholesale food bases of the Nikolaev region are located in the regional center, which is currently located on the line of demarcation, (the situation is also complicated by the fact that stores use various tricks and speculate on prices, adding a markup of 20 to 35% on all goods).

I immediately want to say that I will not keep a spreadsheet, all I can do is publish here in the thread photos of the work done and checks, if any (very often checks are simply not issued because speculation on prices during martial law is equated to a crime). I am not eager to do charity work, but because of this incident, and because my city is in the path of advancement of Russian columns, I decided to post a bitcoin address. [...]

[Lucius]

I will also soon try to delve into what Lucius said (about the connection of a charitable bitcoin address with bitcoin addresses of scammers).

In case you missed this post, it seems that both BTC addresses belong to the Ukrainian crypto exchange Kuna.io, and that the disputed BTC address (related to scam activities) was used by scammers last year and is thus flagged as suspicious.