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March 04, 2022, 04:56:58 PM
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Lately the Ukraine territory have been seriously destroyed, some cities captured by Russian troops making the Ukrainian economy gradually going into the hand of Russia and the power plant that was blown up is one of the economic resources for Ukraine.

Few days back, US reviewed a satellite image of Russian military approaching Ukraine with all the warfare like the armory being taken to Russia and later , same US updated through the satellite image that the movement seem to be slowed down for whatever reason including disagreement, shortage of gas for those vehicles etc. Now I think they finally got inside of Ukraine and the reason for Ukraine economic buildings badly hit and the battle much intensity. Is a pity that they entered Ukraine and causing more destruction.

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My question is when these satellite images where shown and again they got some delay while coming to Ukraine, then why can't the Ukraine stop them by throwing missiles on them or Ukraine don't have such rocket missiles that can set the tanks ablaze.
Or Russia got everywhere covered by closing up the space that they can be attacked on air ?

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March 04, 2022, 05:43:17 PM
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From the history it is well known, if you going on a war then you destroy enemies economic sources, cut off the power houses and food, water etc. That's what happening here. The movement of Russian troops is slower because Ukraine is also fighting back at an alarming rate. However with the economic outburst Ukraine is way behind.

But who knows the dices can turn to six for Ukraine soon. Considering the fact that NATO is funding Ukraine with billions of dollars and also world has cut off Russia from SWIFT. So anything can go south in Economic situation.
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March 04, 2022, 06:08:06 PM
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I'm following the war very closely, op, and I can tell you why: Ukraine is lacking strong aircraft right now. We have some stuff, of course, and sometimes we do destroy the enemy from the sky with, for example, Bayraktars. But Ukraine needs more of it. Another reason is strategic: if there's a significant distance between military vehicles, it's very inefficient to fire on it. It's better to wait for them to be very close to one another, so that one hit can affect many vehicles and tanks at once.
As for Ukrainian economy, I hope it'll remain more or less afloat thanks to the Western support, but of course the hit of the war on economy is very high when so many people and businesses cannot operate.

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March 04, 2022, 07:14:29 PM
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Lately the Ukraine territory have been seriously destroyed, some cities captured by Russian troops making the Ukrainian economy gradually going into the hand of Russia and the power plant that was blown up is one of the economic resources for Ukraine.

Few days back, US reviewed a satellite image of Russian military approaching Ukraine with all the warfare like the armory being taken to Russia and later , same US updated through the satellite image that the movement seem to be slowed down for whatever reason including disagreement, shortage of gas for those vehicles etc. Now I think they finally got inside of Ukraine and the reason for Ukraine economic buildings badly hit and the battle much intensity. Is a pity that they entered Ukraine and causing more destruction.

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My question is when these satellite images where shown and again they got some delay while coming to Ukraine, then why can't the Ukraine stop them by throwing missiles on them or Ukraine don't have such rocket missiles that can set the tanks ablaze.
Or Russia got everywhere covered by closing up the space that they can be attacked on air ?


Ukraine can do a lot of things. Things that might not help them win the war but can definitely make the war last many years. The only problem is the approach of Ukraine. Even though I have liked the leadership of the Ukrainian President, only problem is that he doesn't want to attack Russia, I think his approach is that if it Attacks Russia then it will not look as if they are the peace followers and might even lose the precious support from the west. In diplomacy, they want to look like the victims here who are just defending their territory so that if the battle escalates somehow they have favoritism on the international stage, but I don't know for how long they will keep on doing this because eventually if the capital is beseiged by the Russians there is no point of diplomacy anyway.
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March 04, 2022, 07:57:43 PM
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My question is when these satellite images where shown and again they got some delay while coming to Ukraine, then why can't the Ukraine stop them by throwing missiles on them or Ukraine don't have such rocket missiles that can set the tanks ablaze.
Or Russia got everywhere covered by closing up the space that they can be attacked on air ?

If you follow the news back to back concerning the ongoing war, you will discover that its not only Russia that is striking Ukraine but rather vise versa, Ukraine too are giving it hot on Russia, in fact Russia never expected such moves from Ukraine but nevertheless Ukraine still suffer more casualties, as at today it was recorded that Russia lost 3 of its commanders amidst the struggle as they try to ignite one of the EU nuclear power plant which could cause a great havoc on humanitarian life and well-being as the Russian citizens also cry out lamenting on such step is inhuman and a genocide which could affect the entire world and not only Ukraine if allowed.



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March 04, 2022, 08:58:11 PM
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In diplomacy, they want to look like the victims here who are just defending their territory so that if the battle escalates somehow they have favoritism on the international stage
Still caring on how others opinion/look into them at such time? That's nonsense, as the state leader he should think how his government can stop the war, to avoid more damage, and losing its people.
He should know when to stop and surrender if you can't win a war. If this war lasts longer, imagine how ukraine will become. It takes lots of years to recover from a war, building its infras, gaining growth to its economy where all business stopped, destroyed, lack of supplies etc.

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March 04, 2022, 10:25:31 PM
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In diplomacy, they want to look like the victims here who are just defending their territory so that if the battle escalates somehow they have favoritism on the international stage
Still caring on how others opinion/look into them at such time? That's nonsense, as the state leader he should think how his government can stop the war, to avoid more damage, and losing its people.
He should know when to stop and surrender if you can't win a war. If this war lasts longer, imagine how ukraine will become. It takes lots of years to recover from a war, building its infras, gaining growth to its economy where all business stopped, destroyed, lack of supplies etc.

This war is looking like it is a tough one really and Ukraine is at the losing end that because the battle is fought in the soil of Ukraine. That gives easy access to Russia for easy destruction. Actually playing of diplomacy is good but more Ukrainians are dying daily and the economy is being shut down when businesses are being locked up.

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In diplomacy, they want to look like the victims here who are just defending their territory so that if the battle escalates somehow they have favoritism on the international stage
Still caring on how others opinion/look into them at such time? That's nonsense, as the state leader he should think how his government can stop the war, to avoid more damage, and losing its people.
He should know when to stop and surrender if you can't win a war. If this war lasts longer, imagine how ukraine will become. It takes lots of years to recover from a war, building its infras, gaining growth to its economy where all business stopped, destroyed, lack of supplies etc.

This war is looking like it is a tough one really and Ukraine is at the losing end that because the battle is fought in the soil of Ukraine. That gives easy access to Russia for easy destruction. Actually playing of diplomacy is good but more Ukrainians are dying daily and the economy is being shut down when businesses are being locked up.


Zelensky and his people are just fighting for their own freedom, so I can understand that even if they are in the losing end, they will fight up until they die. They want to defend their country and no one is significantly helping them on this war. It is like a solo-man battle over a giant. We don't know what is going to happen to Ukraine if this continues, but definitely, the destruction will always be part of the aftermath. Can they gain freedom after this? If nothing else, the respect among Ukranians will be there as they defend their country from their invader up to the last drop of their blood.
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Yes it’s pretty bad especially when you look at all those residential building which have gotten a missle thrown at it. Those apartment buildings were peoples homes and now they got nothing.

Looking outside you see burnt cars, tanks, smashed windows, etc. basically looks like you are watching a war movie however it’s real life. There are reports of air horns sounding which means you need to leave and seek shelter. Never would of thought this would happen.

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March 05, 2022, 03:40:47 AM
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Ukraine's nuclear power plant is the largest in Europe, and the dangers are well known, just like the nuclear power leak caused by the earthquake in Japan caused harm to people, and the damage caused by Russia to Ukraine caused huge losses to Ukraine, but Russia The economy is also being sanctioned.
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If NATO's sovereignty in Ukraine is trampled recklessly by Russia, it will have no value in existence. What NATO does is to defend the values of democracy and freedom without hesitation, and must resolutely fight back against the robbers who savagely devour civilization and stop the destruction at any cost. Civilized behavior demonstrates justice, maintains international order, and guarantees everyone's normal and free life
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Russia have announced the temporary pausing of war.

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Moscow Declares Partial Ceasefire

This isn't confirmed by the Ukranian forces and there is no clear information how long will the borders opened for the excavation. PayPal have stopped the services in Russia. Now the media and the journalists are eyed and a warning has been issued. Anything reported fake could lead to imprisonment.
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March 05, 2022, 09:33:15 AM
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We don't know how strong the Ukrainian troops are and how much stock they have against the Russian army. What is clear, their leader must already have a strategy to deal with the opponent and of course, they can continue to defend with all their might. But thankfully, now the ceasefire has started and hopefully, all will end well, even though Ukraine suffered a lot in this war.

Russia have announced the temporary pausing of war.
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The ministry confirmed its units have stopped firing and opened humanitarian corridors near the cities of Volnovakha and Mariupol which were encircled by Russian troops.
Moscow Declares Partial Ceasefire
This isn't confirmed by the Ukranian forces and there is no clear information how long will the borders opened for the excavation. PayPal have stopped the services in Russia. Now the media and the journalists are eyed and a warning has been issued. Anything reported fake could lead to imprisonment.
At least that can be good news for everyone, especially people in Ukraine. They could breathe a sigh of relief even though they didn't know if the war would start again or would it stop. They really hope the war can stop to live a normal life again.

This ceasefire should be put to good use by both parties to negotiate and discuss the core issues of the war and until it happens again.

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March 05, 2022, 04:32:31 PM
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In diplomacy, they want to look like the victims here who are just defending their territory so that if the battle escalates somehow they have favoritism on the international stage
Still caring on how others opinion/look into them at such time? That's nonsense, as the state leader he should think how his government can stop the war, to avoid more damage, and losing its people.
He should know when to stop and surrender if you can't win a war. If this war lasts longer, imagine how ukraine will become. It takes lots of years to recover from a war, building its infras, gaining growth to its economy where all business stopped, destroyed, lack of supplies etc.
Surrender is not an option at all, at this point in global diplomacy the west is pumping up Ukraine with a hell lot of funds and ammunition just to ensure that Ukraine doesn't surrender so Ukraine won't surrender anytime soon. Talking about destruction, war is all about destruction, even if Ukraine surrenders today there will be some other neighbouring country of Russia under attack you cannot just expect Russia to be silent after this.
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Zelensky and his people are just fighting for their own freedom, so I can understand that even if they are in the losing end, they will fight up until they die. They want to defend their country and no one is significantly helping them on this war. It is like a solo-man battle over a giant. We don't know what is going to happen to Ukraine if this continues, but definitely, the destruction will always be part of the aftermath. Can they gain freedom after this? If nothing else, the respect among Ukranians will be there as they defend their country from their invader up to the last drop of their blood.
They're not just fighting, they're on the suicide path, not just their lives but the significant infrastructures on the country, its economy and everything will start at zero after war if it last longer.

Surrender is not an option at all, [...] Talking about destruction, war is all about destruction,
You should stop playing games, war is not a game where you just play to fight and to die, respawn then repeat. And don't just talk about destruction is just normal and easy just because its war when there are lots of ways to prevent it to happen.

even if Ukraine surrenders today there will be some other neighbouring country of Russia under attack you cannot just expect Russia to be silent after this.
When you become a fortune teller? If the war stops in ukraine, escalating war in neighboring country can be avoided. Also don't assume just because it's "Russia" or "China" where the "West" is "Good" and it's enemy is the "Bad".

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March 05, 2022, 05:34:32 PM
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The economy of both Ukraine and Russia is tampered with the act of war. First thing, I’m not even sure if the war was even needed? What kind of hatred is this that Putin is carrying. All of sudden things started going out of hand from the big continent like Russia.

Economy of world is also getting disturbed due to them. Ukraine who holds nuclear plant can lead to fearful situation across the globe. If something wrong happens at that place then it could be worst than Chernobyl.

Everyone knows aftermath when this will happen.

Soon Gold prices will rise, oil is already costing too much and this gonna affect daily routine. The economy is already at stake after the COVID situation and all they needed was this WAR.
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I'm following the war very closely, op, and I can tell you why: Ukraine is lacking strong aircraft right now. We have some stuff, of course, and sometimes we do destroy the enemy from the sky with, for example, Bayraktars. But Ukraine needs more of it. Another reason is strategic: if there's a significant distance between military vehicles, it's very inefficient to fire on it. It's better to wait for them to be very close to one another, so that one hit can affect many vehicles and tanks at once.
As for Ukrainian economy, I hope it'll remain more or less afloat thanks to the Western support, but of course the hit of the war on economy is very high when so many people and businesses cannot operate.

Russia is still a huge country and they're completely equipped so Ukraine would really have a hard time defending. The main city if Ukraine is almost destroyed and it will take a long time rebuilding it when the war is over. I hope that their economy wouldn't get destroyed totally as well. This war has been causing too much suffering for innocent people.
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If NATO's sovereignty in Ukraine is trampled recklessly by Russia, it will have no value in existence. What NATO does is to defend the values of democracy and freedom without hesitation, and must resolutely fight back against the robbers who savagely devour civilization and stop the destruction at any cost. Civilized behavior demonstrates justice, maintains international order, and guarantees everyone's normal and free life

Putin is seriously warning NATO to stay out and threatening much against them if they interfere. Now Zelensky is making video message to NATO to issue no flight zone around Ukraine and this will not allow Russia to attack them through the fighter planes and jet. Putin making also serious warning for that not to happen. The issue of no flight zone is the cause Zelensky is asking for and if that happens, I can't say what the dimension of the war.
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Some specialists in war matters have stated that the European wars tend to escalate.

Since starting the Ukraine-Russian War I also had this sad feeling that is a very dangerous war that will undoubtedly affect the global economy. A lot has been talked about the new world order.

However Ukraine to resisted bravely and that has surprised us all and deserves to be free and drive a better future for its people.
Recently the US Secretary of State Antony Blinken told the BBC that he is convinced that Ukraine can win the war.

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I'm following the war very closely, op, and I can tell you why: Ukraine is lacking strong aircraft right now. We have some stuff, of course, and sometimes we do destroy the enemy from the sky with, for example, Bayraktars. But Ukraine needs more of it. Another reason is strategic: if there's a significant distance between military vehicles, it's very inefficient to fire on it. It's better to wait for them to be very close to one another, so that one hit can affect many vehicles and tanks at once.
As for Ukrainian economy, I hope it'll remain more or less afloat thanks to the Western support, but of course the hit of the war on economy is very high when so many people and businesses cannot operate.

Russia is still a huge country and they're completely equipped so Ukraine would really have a hard time defending. The main city if Ukraine is almost destroyed and it will take a long time rebuilding it when the war is over. I hope that their economy wouldn't get destroyed totally as well. This war has been causing too much suffering for innocent people.
The political game of Putin is making such a big destruction to the country. To develop the crashed infrastructure is not an easy thing to be done overnight. For some time period Ukraine needs to be provided with good funding from the world bank and friendly countries to develop infrastructure which is the major thing in economic uplifting. Once after the war more firms will move out of Ukraine for some time period which could cause unemployment. So government need act wise and perfect in each and every move.

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It’s been over 10 days or so and it’s still getting bad. We all assumed they would have some peace talks and find so resolution. However Facebook is down, credit cards, auto companies, fedex, etc. The entire country is going to become North Korea pretty much.

Pretty sure no citizen wants that, seems only Putin wants this war. Wonder when this will finally end. Here in North America , gas is getting out of control. Basically rising by a few cents every day and looking at price of crude no relief in sight.

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I'm following the war very closely, op, and I can tell you why: Ukraine is lacking strong aircraft right now. We have some stuff, of course, and sometimes we do destroy the enemy from the sky with, for example, Bayraktars. But Ukraine needs more of it. Another reason is strategic: if there's a significant distance between military vehicles, it's very inefficient to fire on it. It's better to wait for them to be very close to one another, so that one hit can affect many vehicles and tanks at once.
As for Ukrainian economy, I hope it'll remain more or less afloat thanks to the Western support, but of course the hit of the war on economy is very high when so many people and businesses cannot operate.
Russia is still a huge country and they're completely equipped so Ukraine would really have a hard time defending. The main city if Ukraine is almost destroyed and it will take a long time rebuilding it when the war is over. I hope that their economy wouldn't get destroyed totally as well. This war has been causing too much suffering for innocent people.
Russia is the one that came to attack Ukraine so they are more prepared and have carried a lot of weapons. Ukraine on the other hand would want to conserve their weapons as it's only limited and they must be doing what kryptqnick have said. They need to hit more target at once. I heard there are reinforce that can come from other countries? was that cancelled or what? that should sustain them from war.

Ukraine's economy is already destroyed but they can easily recovered as they have more support. I wonder where did the u.s get the satellite image? did they only get it on online? because i don't think Russia is sending it to them directly. They aren't friends right?

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That 40 mile long armored forced turned to be dummy and was implemented to identify how many aircraft Ukraine armed force left. One of Russians officials said that lately. Not only Ukraine Russia is also losing some aircraft and a great number of soldier to these war. Both economy is suffering due to these ongoing conflict which is slowly becoming the Syria of east.

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That 40 mile long armored forced turned to be dummy and was implemented to identify how many aircraft Ukraine armed force left. One of Russians officials said that lately. Not only Ukraine Russia is also losing some aircraft and a great number of soldier to these war. Both economy is suffering due to these ongoing conflict which is slowly becoming the Syria of east.

I think the war is having negative effect in both countries. Watching Ukrainian leave there country is worrisome, the Russian forces too are getting a hard resistance from the Ukrainian soldiers and they are losing men too. They are fighting not to give up their territory to Russia. But now Russian military is planning to attack the city of Odessa as the next attack.
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It’s been over 10 days or so and it’s still getting bad. We all assumed they would have some peace talks and find so resolution. However Facebook is down, credit cards, auto companies, fedex, etc. The entire country is going to become North Korea pretty much.

Pretty sure no citizen wants that, seems only Putin wants this war. Wonder when this will finally end. Here in North America , gas is getting out of control. Basically rising by a few cents every day and looking at price of crude no relief in sight.

I don't believe this will end soon! It's obvious that Russia has a plan and will not stop until it's realized! It's certain that the Russians are bothered by all these sanctions, the West is attacking the financial sector in the hope that it may slow down the Russian army and its actions, but that is not happening or it takes time for the results to be seen!
There are a lot of stories from all sides, I'm afraid that someone will make some reckless move and make this an even bigger war, which seems like a real possibility! Putin is not the only one who wants this war, he has surrounded himself with people who support him and who are loyal to him! One man cannot fight alone! As president, he has definitely shown that he is ready to fight with many more opponents if they get involved in this conflict, for everything he says and the decisions he makes, he has the great support of the Russian Duma!

Prices started to jump even during the corona pandemic, everything has become more expensive, some construction materials are up over 100%, some groceries also over 100% ... yesterday I heard that the import of iron stopped because of this in Ukraine, sales have stopped, I expect an additional price increase for sure! It's happening all over the world, and I don't see an end to it!

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That 40 mile long armored forced turned to be dummy and was implemented to identify how many aircraft Ukraine armed force left. One of Russians officials said that lately. Not only Ukraine Russia is also losing some aircraft and a great number of soldier to these war. Both economy is suffering due to these ongoing conflict which is slowly becoming the Syria of east.
Russia has thrown eight out of ten of its armies into Ukraine, about 95 percent of all the troops it has gathered at its borders earlier. After unsuccessful offensives on all four fronts of attack, the Russian army launched rocket and bomb attacks on homes, hospitals, schools and other civilian infrastructure in an effort to cause more damage to the Ukrainian economy.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are very professionally grinding the military power of the Russian Federation and they are greatly assisted in this by local self-defense units and the whole people, because they are defending their independence.

To date, in 11 days of a full-scale war, according to official data from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Russia's losses are:
- more than 11,000 killed,
- 290 destroyed tanks,
- 999 armored vehicles,
- 46 aircraft,
- 68 helicopters,
- 117 artillery systems,
- 50 salvo fire systems,
- 23 air defense systems,
- 454 different vehicles,
- 3 warships, etc.

Russia is already experiencing serious problems in terms of troops, ammunition, and logistics. After all, Putin and his entourage expected to completely occupy Ukraine in a maximum of four days. They are already beginning to understand that they cannot win this war.

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The damage of the war on Ukraine was brutal and thank God for the western support to prevent much damage on Ukraine which had affect the country economy and other areas.  The Russians thought defeating the Ukrainian soldiers would be easy but was encumbered by massive artilleries and air defense system that was able to put the Russians troop in disharmony.

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and the power plant that was blown up is one of the economic resources for Ukraine.

First of all, the nuclear power plant wasn`t blown up. There war a fire near it, but the station is pretty much safe right now, although the station was seized by the occupiers and they are blackmailing Ukraine, because they can cause an imminent catastrophe there at any moment. I created a thread about that (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388300.0)

Returning to economic issues, I think that despite the horror and devastation that Ukraine is currently experiencing, this period is also the birth and formation of a fundamentally new state. Ukrainians have a chance to prove themselves as confident, strong people who defend the world's democratic values ​​and human rights. And they show that they are ready to fight for it until the victorious end. After the war, new investment opportunities will open up. I am confident that the world community will have new beliefs about Ukraine, a new basis for investing in the development of our country. The whole world is interested in the reconstruction of the Ukrainian economy.

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I think the war is having negative effect in both countries. Watching Ukrainian leave there country is worrisome, the Russian forces too are getting a hard resistance from the Ukrainian soldiers and they are losing men too. They are fighting not to give up their territory to Russia. But now Russian military is planning to attack the city of Odessa as the next attack.

Definitely, it's true that both countries who are involved in the war will going to suffer losses. But what more concerning about this war is the lives of people involved in it either it's the soldier defending and offending their country's territory but much more is the life of the civilian people who are only wanted to live in a peaceful and safe environment. I just do hope that this war may over now, now that it already takes 11 days we have seen a record of many losses and damages on both countries.
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The beginning of the war is what we all see,  the end is unpredictable to which side will be mostly affect at the long run,  but I wish the innocent  Russian citizens comfort at this time of swift ban experience on Russia and to all Ukrainians too,  the perfect defence we could  is to protect ourself from inherent problems  within, this war can easily come to an end only if Putin can consider the pain on the innocent souls and citizens bearing the cross of his actions, I also know that Ukraine  will survive it with the help of God,  US, NATO, UK and other international reinforcement and history  will make itself soon.

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March 07, 2022, 07:45:26 PM
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My question is when these satellite images where shown and again they got some delay while coming to Ukraine, then why can't the Ukraine stop them by throwing missiles on them or Ukraine don't have such rocket missiles that can set the tanks ablaze.
Or Russia got everywhere covered by closing up the space that they can be attacked on air ?

If you follow the news back to back concerning the ongoing war, you will discover that its not only Russia that is striking Ukraine but rather vise versa, Ukraine too are giving it hot on Russia, in fact Russia never expected such moves from Ukraine but nevertheless Ukraine still suffer more casualties, as at today it was recorded that Russia lost 3 of its commanders amidst the struggle as they try to ignite one of the EU nuclear power plant which could cause a great havoc on humanitarian life and well-being as the Russian citizens also cry out lamenting on such step is inhuman and a genocide which could affect the entire world and not only Ukraine if allowed.
And while without a doubt it is a good thing that the Ukrainian soldiers can strike back, at  the same time this is going to create in the Russian soldiers an even bigger desire to win, which means destroying most of the economic resources of Ukraine, so even if Ukraine somehow got to repel the Russian invaders their economy will take such a hit that most likely they will need decades to recover even with the support of the US and other countries.

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March 07, 2022, 09:56:04 PM
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The beginning of the war is what we all see,  the end is unpredictable to which side will be mostly affect at the long run,  but I wish the innocent  Russian citizens comfort at this time of swift ban experience on Russia and to all Ukrainians too,  the perfect defence we could  is to protect ourself from inherent problems  within, this war can easily come to an end only if Putin can consider the pain on the innocent souls and citizens bearing the cross of his actions, I also know that Ukraine  will survive it with the help of God,  US, NATO, UK and other international reinforcement and history  will make itself soon.
The war between Russians and the Ukrainians was really unbelievable cause we'll never expected that Russia will take a bold step to attack her neighboring country who had been a peaceful country without any problem. This is a time when we don't need to look at using this avenue to attack the Russians or their companies which looks very unethical in a general view.

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The beginning of the war is what we all see,  the end is unpredictable to which side will be mostly affect at the long run,  but I wish the innocent  Russian citizens comfort at this time of swift ban experience on Russia and to all Ukrainians too,  the perfect defence we could  is to protect ourself from inherent problems  within, this war can easily come to an end only if Putin can consider the pain on the innocent souls and citizens bearing the cross of his actions, I also know that Ukraine  will survive it with the help of God,  US, NATO, UK and other international reinforcement and history  will make itself soon.
There are no innocent citizens of Russia in the military attack on Ukraine. Every citizen of Russia is now to blame for allowing more than 20 years of Putin's rule, in which he is not controlled by society and does whatever he pleases. In the 21st century, Putin has taken it into his head to seize the territory of a neighboring state just because he is dissatisfied with its domestic and foreign policies.
The Russian military is now openly shelling residential buildings in Ukraine, destroying the economy of this state. They have already destroyed 102 schools, 34 hospitals, more than 1,500 residential buildings in Ukraine. But Russian soldiers, having arranged the genocide of the Ukrainian people, are also citizens of Russia, someone's fathers, husbands, brothers. All of them are now guilty, including that 38 children in Ukraine have already died at the hands of the Russian occupiers and more than 70 have been injured.
Therefore, economic sanctions against all Russians should be the most severe, and the blocked funds of Russia should go to Ukraine to compensate for the damage from their military aggression.

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Russia is already experiencing serious problems in terms of troops, ammunition, and logistics. After all, Putin and his entourage expected to completely occupy Ukraine in a maximum of four days. They are already beginning to understand that they cannot win this war.

I just can't easily believe on this chart, is this somehow came from legit source? I mean if the Ukraine's Defense Minister said this, it could also be lies to boost the morale of their soldiers, or show other countries that they can do it and with a little bit of help from others they could destroy Russia totally. It is obvious that their President is seeking help, day by day. That means he is in dire situation and even released some prisoners to fight back. Also Putin is not dumb, going to war that he cannot win is unlikely to happen. He meant it when he said there will be no winners, he is suicidal and by any chance he loses this, that Red button is most likely to be pushed.
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I don't believe this will end soon! It's obvious that Russia has a plan and will not stop until it's realized! It's certain that the Russians are bothered by all these sanctions, the West is attacking the financial sector in the hope that it may slow down the Russian army and its actions, but that is not happening or it takes time for the results to be seen!
There are a lot of stories from all sides, I'm afraid that someone will make some reckless move and make this an even bigger war, which seems like a real possibility! Putin is not the only one who wants this war, he has surrounded himself with people who support him and who are loyal to him! One man cannot fight alone! As president, he has definitely shown that he is ready to fight with many more opponents if they get involved in this conflict, for everything he says and the decisions he makes, he has the great support of the Russian Duma!
Let's not say that "Russia has a plan", it is Putin. People are giving too much credit on this war and too much credit for Putin as well. Everyone is like "there must be something behind it, he would know that sanctions would happen and get prepared for it" but the reality is that we are getting to 50% loss value on Ruble very soon, another week or so and we will be there.

There is no war won neither, sure Russia got into a piece of land right away, but aside from that Ukraine hasn't backed down from the places they said they want to protect. Like, yeah donbas is Russian now, but Kiev could have been gone already if they didn't defend, but they are defending it very well. So, do not imagine Russia "must be up to something" just because they are losing, they are losing because they are idiots and Russian soldiers are not quite too happy or hyped enough to attack neither.

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My question is when these satellite images where shown and again they got some delay while coming to Ukraine, then why can't the Ukraine stop them by throwing missiles on them or Ukraine don't have such rocket missiles that can set the tanks ablaze.
Or Russia got everywhere covered by closing up the space that they can be attacked on air ?


its not easy like what you think mate that Ukraine can easily throw missile using satellite and then it all done, i mean the war will end immediately after that. Nope! because if they do that it means they really wanted to make war and it will become worse IMO.

imagine how many troops Russian has compared to Ukraine .they want peace not war, wherein they all want to defend their land reason they still keep fighting..
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I mean if the Ukraine's Defense Minister said this, it could also be lies to boost the morale of their soldiers, or show other countries that they can do it and with a little bit of help from others they could destroy Russia totally.

The morale of the Ukrainian army is uplifted by the fact that they are really defeating the enemy. It's not easy, but our defenders know what they are fighting for. We are on our own land and we are defending our right to live here as we see fit. Can Russia say something about believing in its own goal? Russian soldiers surrender, give out information and refuse to fight. You do not need to see the numbers of losses on both sides to see who truly believes in the victory.

It is obvious that their President is seeking help, day by day. That means he is in dire situation and even released some prisoners to fight back.

Yes, the situation is difficult. But how can it be different? This is the war. Some of the prisoners were released not because the situation was hopeless, but because some of them had military experience, which is now an indispensable advantage. We do not seek help because we cannot cope on our own. This is because we are sure that Putin will not stop only at Ukraine. He will move on if he is not stopped by joint efforts. The most interesting thing is that we are not the only ones, who believes so
https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-hit-nato-baltic-win-ukraine-eu-valdis-dombrovskis/


Also Putin is not dumb, going to war that he cannot win is unlikely to happen. He meant it when he said there will be no winners, he is suicidal and by any chance he loses this, that Red button is most likely to be pushed.

It seems to me that the end of your thesis obviously implies that Putin is an idiot.

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When all this war between Ukraine and Russia will be over, Ukrainian are the ones to suffer it most. Russia will face sanctions while China enables to help them to sort ways out of all the sanctions. The collateral damage will still be ringing into Ukrainian ears each passing day. The war is brought to their doorstep, not on Russian soil, that's the worst thing happening to them. I pray they survive all this(war) in no time cos I see the Russian armies not ready to retreat from Ukraine soil soon

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Sadly, despite billions in damage, the destruction is just starting. Russia's strategy is completely leveling whole cities, towns and villages, in order to terrorize the government into signing Russia's demands. And Ukraine is defending itself as best as it can, but it can't match Russia in open field, and its air defense can't cover and intercept everything.

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My question is when these satellite images where shown and again they got some delay while coming to Ukraine, then why can't the Ukraine stop them by throwing missiles on them or Ukraine don't have such rocket missiles that can set the tanks ablaze.
Or Russia got everywhere covered by closing up the space that they can be attacked on air ?

If you follow the news back to back concerning the ongoing war, you will discover that its not only Russia that is striking Ukraine but rather vise versa, Ukraine too are giving it hot on Russia, in fact Russia never expected such moves from Ukraine but nevertheless Ukraine still suffer more casualties, as at today it was recorded that Russia lost 3 of its commanders amidst the struggle as they try to ignite one of the EU nuclear power plant which could cause a great havoc on humanitarian life and well-being as the Russian citizens also cry out lamenting on such step is inhuman and a genocide which could affect the entire world and not only Ukraine if allowed.
And while without a doubt it is a good thing that the Ukrainian soldiers can strike back, at  the same time this is going to create in the Russian soldiers an even bigger desire to win, which means destroying most of the economic resources of Ukraine, so even if Ukraine somehow got to repel the Russian invaders their economy will take such a hit that most likely they will need decades to recover even with the support of the US and other countries.

I am a citizen of Ukraine, who is in the ranks of the Territorial Defense units. I saw Russian soldiers. I have never seen such pathetic people. Deeply demoralized, hungry, wounded and abandoned by their commanders on the battlefield. Believe me - if there are tactical surrenders of territories, it is only due to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine simply do not have time to destroy the Russian soldiers. It feels like the Russian army is an army of sheep that were simply sent to the slaughter! I can show real photos with dozens of really many kilometers destroyed columns of the Russian army!
Regarding the "destruction of Ukraine and the economy of Ukraine." What is, a fact: targeted bombing of residential areas, schools, hospitals, kindergartens, shops ... This is world terrorism, rashism.
What is not: the economy of Ukraine, of course, suffered, but most of the industrial enterprises are intact, and the financial and banking sector is working stably. If in Russia the ruble is going down, then in Ukraine the exchange rate against the Ukrainian hryvnia, on the contrary, is declining.



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Sadly, despite billions in damage, the destruction is just starting. Russia's strategy is completely leveling whole cities, towns and villages, in order to terrorize the government into signing Russia's demands. And Ukraine is defending itself as best as it can, but it can't match Russia in open field, and its air defense can't cover and intercept everything.

The Russian army was considered very strong because it was the image they had created for decades. However, as DrBeer pointed out, and from what I see myself, Russians are people who have no purpose and do not understand what they are fighting for. They are confused because they are constantly lied to, they do not know whom to trust and what should they believe, as well as what they should do. They are simply very afraid for their own lives (except for those who are openly a terrorist, who mocks, robs, rapes, and enjoys it). That is why Ukrainan Forces have a great advantage and they can match Russia in open field. Yes, our air defense can't cover and intercept everything, but you really believe that some other air defence can do such things?

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Sadly, despite billions in damage, the destruction is just starting. Russia's strategy is completely leveling whole cities, towns and villages, in order to terrorize the government into signing Russia's demands. And Ukraine is defending itself as best as it can, but it can't match Russia in open field, and its air defense can't cover and intercept everything.

The Russian army was considered very strong because it was the image they had created for decades. However, as DrBeer pointed out, and from what I see myself, Russians are people who have no purpose and do not understand what they are fighting for. They are confused because they are constantly lied to, they do not know whom to trust and what should they believe, as well as what they should do. They are simply very afraid for their own lives (except for those who are openly a terrorist, who mocks, robs, rapes, and enjoys it). That is why Ukrainan Forces have a great advantage and they can match Russia in open field. Yes, our air defense can't cover and intercept everything, but you really believe that some other air defence can do such things?

No doubting here that Ukrainian soldiers are facing the up to the challenges of the Russians to the surprise of Putin and to others. There are information that the Russian have lose about 6,000 men in the war. Despite that Ukraine is losing civilians and military but Ukraine has held the fight up so far and EU supporting the Ukraine economy and receiving refugees for them.
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March 11, 2022, 10:24:43 AM
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Putin previously allocated 5 billion dollars for subversive activities in Ukraine, the formation of groups that could engage in terrorist activities against the people and the political leadership of this country. This money was stolen, and Putin was reported that the people of Ukraine were waiting for Russian liberators. With this in mind, Putin eventually decided to attack Ukraine and miscalculated very badly. After the first invasion of Ukraine in 2014, the Ukrainian army has grown stronger, and recently received a lot of weapons from the United States and other NATO countries. In addition, over the eight years of warfare, Ukrainians have gained enough experience in waging war.
And the state and power of the Russian army turned out to be too exaggerated. Recently they showed on television that the bulletproof vests on the dead Russian soldiers did not have armored sheets inside, but cardboard. The protection of the tanks inside contained cardboard egg trays. But most importantly, the Russians do not know why they are fighting on the territory of Ukraine.
Of course, by deliberately shelling the civilian infrastructure of Ukrainian settlements, Russia inflicts huge material damage on it, which is already estimated at more than $100 billion. In addition to international assistance, Ukraine is counting on Russia's foreign exchange reserves seized in foreign banks and, in general, currency and property, which will be sanctioned.

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March 11, 2022, 12:04:40 PM
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No doubting here that Ukrainian soldiers are facing the up to the challenges of the Russians to the surprise of Putin and to others. There are information that the Russian have lose about 6,000 men in the war. Despite that Ukraine is losing civilians and military but Ukraine has held the fight up so far and EU supporting the Ukraine economy and receiving refugees for them.


1. Information on the losses of the occupying forces in Ukraine.
The Center for Counteracting Disinformation at the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine reports on the enemy's combat losses from February 24 to March 11, which were approximately:

▪️ personnel - over / approx. 12 thousand man
▪️ tanks - 335 units,
▪️ combat armored vehicles / APV - 1165 units,
▪️ artillery systems - 125 units,
▪️ MLRS - 58 units,
▪️ Anti-aircraft warfare systems - 31 units,
▪️ aircraft - 57 units,
▪️ helicopters - 83 units;
▪️ vehicles - 558 units,
▪️ light speedboats - 3 units,
▪️ fuel tanks - 60 units,
▪️ UAV operational-tactical level - 7 units.

2. The Russian army, having suffered a complete fiasco with the "quick victorious war", turned to terrorism - the destruction of residential areas, schools, hospitals, ...
Fascism / Nazism against the background of racism, just petty scoundrels ...

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March 11, 2022, 06:01:31 PM
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The difference is not the one you think. I mean Ukraine did get better that is correct, but at the same time we are talking about Russia being unable to attack with all of their power.

If Russia attacked with every single solider and gun and tank and whatever, that would make them vulnerable in every other side of their nation. So, they had to leave some soldiers behind to protect the nation. This caused them to drop significantly in power, but even with that, they are the attacking party and they needed to have bigger power anyway.

The real trouble is that, we are not at ancient world where thousands face off each other in a battlefield. We are in modern times and that means you can attack as much as you want, as long as people resist, you have to keep on attacking forever until people stop resisting. And we all know Ukraine is not stopping anytime soon.

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March 11, 2022, 06:14:28 PM
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No doubting here that Ukrainian soldiers are facing the up to the challenges of the Russians to the surprise of Putin and to others. There are information that the Russian have lose about 6,000 men in the war. Despite that Ukraine is losing civilians and military but Ukraine has held the fight up so far and EU supporting the Ukraine economy and receiving refugees for them.
So far it is very difficult to know how many victims there are on the Russian side, because several times I heard on television that the Ukrainian president said he had killed more than 10,000 Russian soldiers, but on another day the Ukrainian president said around 7000 Russian soldiers were killed,
I am a little doubtful of the current claim, because I think the Russian army has better support for war equipment than Ukraine.
Btw about refugees, do you know that if European countries do racist acts in accepting refugees from ukraine, is that true?
because I saw several videos showing the separation of skin color that occurs in refugees when crossing the border or getting on a truck to be transported to a refugee camp.

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March 11, 2022, 10:00:58 PM
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physically and military equipment russia is superior to ukraine but the spirit and belief of the ukraine army can break the russian military aggression so russia is bombing ukraine by destroying all public facilities basically at this point ukraine a lot of financial support that can be allocated for buying weapons from several countries, especially the union europe so that it can survive the russian attack even though the ukraine loss in this case may be more than the russian with the damage to facilities and the death of civilians

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March 12, 2022, 10:29:10 AM
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physically and military equipment russia is superior to ukraine but the spirit and belief of the ukraine army can break the russian military aggression so russia is bombing ukraine by destroying all public facilities basically at this point ukraine a lot of financial support that can be allocated for buying weapons from several countries, especially the union europe so that it can survive the russian attack even though the ukraine loss in this case may be more than the russian with the damage to facilities and the death of civilians

No, it's fake. Even cruise missiles of the latest generation, with which the Russians fire at our peaceful cities, Iskander and Kalibr, according to the statements of Russian commercials - "unparalleled, and capable of breaking through any defense", here they are knocked down by "backward Ukrainian air defense". Below is a photo - traces of downed Iskanders, Kyiv, not far from my house.
And everything else they fight with is obsolete tanks and MLRS from the times of the USSR. But Ukraine, very effectively destroys them, with modern systems such as Javelin, NLAV and the like, provided by Western partners, for which many thanks to them!
The only "advantage" of the Russian army is a large amount of manpower, with which they, like cannon fodder, shower our positions. But this is "normal" - in the Russian army, manpower is disposable consumables, it is not customary to save and save them. Throwing meat at the enemy is the strategy of the Russian army. Well, and terrorism - the bombing of hospitals, maternity hospitals, schools, residential areas ...


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March 12, 2022, 01:22:57 PM
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There is what we call military tactics. Even if they have a way to see where their enemies are, they are letting them in to a trap and that is where they are going to ambush them.

I saw a recent video about them that a rocket has directly attacked an on going moving of Russian tanks and saw that they have ambushes that troops and dead bodies landed on that very street.

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March 15, 2022, 06:12:52 PM
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And while without a doubt it is a good thing that the Ukrainian soldiers can strike back, at  the same time this is going to create in the Russian soldiers an even bigger desire to win, which means destroying most of the economic resources of Ukraine, so even if Ukraine somehow got to repel the Russian invaders their economy will take such a hit that most likely they will need decades to recover even with the support of the US and other countries.

I am a citizen of Ukraine, who is in the ranks of the Territorial Defense units. I saw Russian soldiers. I have never seen such pathetic people. Deeply demoralized, hungry, wounded and abandoned by their commanders on the battlefield. Believe me - if there are tactical surrenders of territories, it is only due to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine simply do not have time to destroy the Russian soldiers. It feels like the Russian army is an army of sheep that were simply sent to the slaughter! I can show real photos with dozens of really many kilometers destroyed columns of the Russian army!
Regarding the "destruction of Ukraine and the economy of Ukraine." What is, a fact: targeted bombing of residential areas, schools, hospitals, kindergartens, shops ... This is world terrorism, rashism.
What is not: the economy of Ukraine, of course, suffered, but most of the industrial enterprises are intact, and the financial and banking sector is working stably. If in Russia the ruble is going down, then in Ukraine the exchange rate against the Ukrainian hryvnia, on the contrary, is declining.



Thanks for the info, first hand information from people that are on the ground and watching what is happening is invaluable, I do not know how true the reports are but it seems that Putin even deceived his own soldiers by saying they were on the border for some military exercises and then out of nowhere they were sent to fight a war they were not prepared to fight, which could explain the low morale of the troops and their lack of supplies, if true then this will be one more example of how senseless is this war and why it should be stopped immediately. Take care.

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March 15, 2022, 06:52:23 PM
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Lately the Ukraine territory have been seriously destroyed, some cities captured by Russian troops making the Ukrainian economy gradually going into the hand of Russia and the power plant that was blown up is one of the economic resources for Ukraine.

Few days back, US reviewed a satellite image of Russian military approaching Ukraine with all the warfare like the armory being taken to Russia and later , same US updated through the satellite image that the movement seem to be slowed down for whatever reason including disagreement, shortage of gas for those vehicles etc. Now I think they finally got inside of Ukraine and the reason for Ukraine economic buildings badly hit and the battle much intensity. Is a pity that they entered Ukraine and causing more destruction.

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My question is when these satellite images where shown and again they got some delay while coming to Ukraine, then why can't the Ukraine stop them by throwing missiles on them or Ukraine don't have such rocket missiles that can set the tanks ablaze.
Or Russia got everywhere covered by closing up the space that they can be attacked on air ?

It appears that this war is not going to end any time soon, Putin expected his military to crush Ukraine in mere days but they have taken a huge hammering in the weeks since it started. Russia has enough military might to slowly conquer Ukraine but many more people are going to die on both sides in the process and Russia's military has truly shown to be pretty awful in every respect. Russia are slowly taking ground, but even if they do take Ukraine - they have in many cases turned cities to rubble and made 40 million people hate them. Much like Afghanistan (multiple times), Iraq and Vietnam - there will be no peace for Russia until they withdraw, many Russian soldiers will need to occupy the country and will slowly be killed over time as the oppressors they are.

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March 15, 2022, 10:06:10 PM
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It appears that this war is not going to end any time soon, Putin expected his military to crush Ukraine in mere days but they have taken a huge hammering in the weeks since it started. Russia has enough military might to slowly conquer Ukraine but many more people are going to die on both sides in the process and Russia's military has truly shown to be pretty awful in every respect. Russia are slowly taking ground, but even if they do take Ukraine - they have in many cases turned cities to rubble and made 40 million people hate them. Much like Afghanistan (multiple times), Iraq and Vietnam - there will be no peace for Russia until they withdraw, many Russian soldiers will need to occupy the country and will slowly be killed over time as the oppressors they are.

The saddening of all this is the people on both sides, that will sacrifice their lives for a mission that is not justifiable. I don't know what is the ultimate goal of Putin here with this demilitarization in Ukraine. But people across the globe are condemning this situation because a lot of innocent lives are lost because of this aggression. After this war, many people will hate Putin for what he had done to this country. Why did he resort to this action?
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March 15, 2022, 11:07:06 PM
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This war lasts a long time because Russia does not set itself the goal of destroying cities and infrastructure. If such a huge country as Russia decided to fight at full power, do you really think that this war would last more than two days? All people want peace, but there are such words - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"  if you want peace, prepare for war...
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March 16, 2022, 08:53:29 AM
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This war lasts a long time because Russia does not set itself the goal of destroying cities and infrastructure. If such a huge country as Russia decided to fight at full power, do you really think that this war would last more than two days? All people want peace, but there are such words - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"  if you want peace, prepare for war...

And what is the goal of russia then? Maybe the genocide of the Ukrainian people? Maybe the destruction of Ukraine as a state? Maybe the inclusion of Ukraine in the newly formed russian empire?

I wonder what kind of goal this is, for which not all the effort, not full power is spent. Or maybe they still want come to this goal and have used all their strength, but did not expect to encounter such resistance? Maybe they didn't expect each of them to follow their warship?

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March 16, 2022, 01:48:26 PM
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Yes, the destruction of infrastructure in Ukraine continues. The Russians are deliberately shelling houses, schools, hospitals... Women and children are dying. Recently, information even appeared that Russian Defense Minister Shoigu ordered to cut down forests in Ukraine as much as possible. Ukraine is being destroyed as a state and the genocide of the Ukrainian people is deliberately taking place. According to the approximate estimates of the government of Ukraine, the Russian occupiers caused more than $500 billion worth of destruction in Ukraine.

But Ukraine will survive and win this war, because now people are very united around this goal and everyone works as one mechanism. Russia will have to pay for its destruction. Approximately $300 billion of Russian reserves have been seized outside of Russia and are expected to go to Ukraine for reconstruction. Ukraine nationalized all Russian property located on its territory. All over the world, there are also seizures of state property of Russia and its oligarchs. In addition, most states are already ready to help Ukraine finance the recovery of its economy.
But Russia will turn into a backward and poor country. Well, it's their choice.

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