A Disadvantage of Bitcoin Talk Forum and Crypto with the Cost of Smart Phone

[Agbe]

The average citizen of the developing nations (Nigeria) do not earn a dollar a day. That is #₦416. 67 = $ 1 rate in 2022.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.naijanews.com/2022/03/02/dollar-to-naira-exchange-rate-today-2-march-2022/%3famp=1

The average person in Nigeria lives below a dollar a day.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nairametrics.com/2020/06/01/the-empirical-truth-about-an-average-nigerians-price-point/%3famp=1

Since the average citizens of the developing nations (Nigeria) are not living with a dollar a day, then they can't afford Smart Phone which is very costly and also uses to access or trade crypto currency.

And Bitcoin talk Forum and crypto trading needs a smartphone, laptop or desktop.

Using myself as an example, in my early days with crypto and Bitcoin talk, I used a smaller phone after registration, having just a gig ram and limited rom for memory, it wasn't sufficient to navigate the net. So I faced a lot of challenges. At some point, I have to borrow a friend's phone just to meet up on certain ends and that's very disturbing. I imagine a lot of other citizens facing similar difficulty/challenge.

In the Christmas holiday when I went on a visit to some of my friends and family members in an interior rural settlement, and it was my early days in the forum for sure, and I had a growing zeal for the forum. While I was there, I faced a major network challenge which resulted in my borrowing of a friend's device just to access and got updates in the forum with a Tecno T301 phone and it doesn't even display article in full to make a good read, not to even mention of login which is practically impossible.

 In other words, it is not all the people that have the strive on crypto currency that can access it. Therefore, smart or suffisticated devices becomes their weakness or limitation to any practical participation.

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[Bitcoin_Arena]

Might as well complain about disadvantage of using Cellar Mobile Network because of lack of access to a mobile phone or disadvantage of using a highway because you can't afford a car

I am not trying to be insensitive, but you should realize not all humans will own smartphone or laptops at ago. While you complain about you or your community not owning smartphones to access bitcointalk. Someone out there is wishing they could at least have a single meal in the past two days.

That is what we call life.

[Charles-Tim]

The average citizen of the developing nations (Nigeria) do not earn a dollar a day. That is #₦416. 67 = $ 1 rate in 2022.

That is CBN rate, it is USD to naira in parallel market is around $570 to $580which is the rate people are using for the conversion.

Since the average citizens of the developing nations (Nigeria) are not living with a dollar a day, then they can't afford Smart Phone which is very costly and also uses to access or trade crypto currency.

Most Nigerians are living below the poverty line but there are many Nigerians that are holding and trading cryptocurrencies. Nigeria is the sixth on the list of last year Chainanalysis report about crypto adoption. Although, PPP was used instead of norminal in the methodology.


Chainanalysis
https://www.goodreturns.in/news/global-cryptocurrency-adoption-is-skyrocketing-india-stands-second-1222291.html

So far it is basically about Nigeria, you can post it on Nigeria local thread next time if you have topics of this type, Nigerians that are active on the thread can provide better view about what is really happening in Nigeria and their community regarding cryptocurrencies.

[Lucius]

In other words, it is not all the people that have the strive on crypto currency that can access it. Therefore, smart or suffisticated devices becomes their weakness or limitation to any practical participation.

There is no doubt that not everyone is given the same opportunity in life, and that in many poor countries people do not have access to technology that is taken for granted in developed countries. This is indeed a factor that prevents many from becoming part of the digital age, and thus from investing in something like Bitcoin, which for many has proven to be a major turning point in life.

I found one site that should be from Nigeria, and as far as I can see an average smartphone with 4GB of RAM, a solid battery, and 64GB of storage costs around $130. Is it something that the average young man who is employed can afford?

@Agbe, which smartphone are you currently using?

[Alone055]

I think the title is sort of misleading, isn't it? I don't find that to be a disadvantage of this forum or crypto in general, but maybe we could say something like, "A disadvantage of costs of smart phones for developing countries.", because it is not the forum or crypto that is holding people back but it is the costs of the devices or services that they can't afford, and I know how that feels as I don't come from a first-world country myself.

[Agbe]

In other words, it is not all the people that have the strive on crypto currency that can access it. Therefore, smart or suffisticated devices becomes their weakness or limitation to any practical participation.

There is no doubt that not everyone is given the same opportunity in life, and that in many poor countries people do not have access to technology that is taken for granted in developed countries. This is indeed a factor that prevents many from becoming part of the digital age, and thus from investing in something like Bitcoin, which for many has proven to be a major turning point in life.

I found one site that should be from Nigeria, and as far as I can see an average smartphone with 4GB of RAM, a solid battery, and 64GB of storage costs around $130. Is it something that the average young man who is employed can afford?

@Agbe, which smartphone are you currently using?

Currently I am using Itel P32 which is also not suffiscated enough to navigate the internet. And also if you look at my post history, you would discovered that I have not been online for number of days. Because I was not having phone...The essence of this thread is although the ordinary citizens can't do anything about it but let the globe also be aware of our problem. Let the goods and services should be drastically reduce to a very lower prices so the poor man can buy what he likes it

[PrivacyG]

Unfortunately, it is an issue we can not do much about.  Pretty much anywhere in the world at this moment you can purchase a fairly cheap Smartphone that is capable of running basic Internet websites.  My definition of cheap may however not fit yours.  What sucks is that if your phone can not run Bitcointalk properly, which is still a very basic website, how are more complex websites such as news performing?

I still have >5 years old Smartphones I am sometimes navigating on and they work flawlessly even today, even with 1 GB RAM and 4 to 8 GB internal memory.  What do you mean by not being able to navigate the Web?

About prices of Smartphones, we all would like to have them for cheap.  Some brands are just too greedy like Apple or Samsung while other brands care more about selling their products for a profit so they go for low profit, high volume.  Best we can do is boycott them, but there will always be these hardcore fanboys.  Xiaomi, Oppo and Realme are a few of these low budget brands to name a few, although Nigeria may not have them for sale or if they do, maybe not as cheap as the United States or Europe does.

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PrivacyG

[libert19]

Currently I am using Itel P32 which is also not suffiscated enough to navigate the internet.

I looked up this phone and sounds decent enough for web tbh

You are 'Member' rank already, might want to give try to bounties: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=238.0

Also, try this site: https://hive.blog

[cryptoaddictchie]

In other words, it is not all the people that have the strive on crypto currency that can access it. Therefore, smart or suffisticated devices becomes their weakness or limitation to any practical participation.

Sorry to hear that story of yours and those situation youve explained. Government should help their community to ctrate livelihoods and learn knowledge on current ways to develop themselves.

Blockchain and crypto is inline with tech so phone and computer is badly needed to try it out. Maybe Nigerian Government could do something about it and provide to people even slowly so people can be taught of modern ways like trading and cryptocurrency.

Regarding specs I think not really high to use one for using forum. As long as it could done internet and considerable speed of the device to handle it.

[Asiska02]

There is no doubt that cryptocurrency has gone vast in many places around the world. It also helped people to exit poverty in the recent year for those that learnt and understand how to trade well using cryptocurrency. But another challenging issue is that the lack of education of many citizens in the developing nations makes it advantageous for them to take part in the cryptocurrency market as they can’t understand or read on what to do.

[Daniel91]

Agbe, unfortunately I know from personal experience that you are right.
I have been sponsoring the education of a girl from Uganda for many years, and I know that her family lives in very bad conditions, without electricity, water, Internet, computers, they even sleep on the floor.
Her family doesn’t even have a phone or cell phone and the only way to communicate is to send letters and wait for weeks for them to respond.
As much as I want to help them and suggest investing in crypto, or send them bitcoin, this is simply not possible given their current situation.
I'm sure that there are a lot of such people in Africa who do not have the basic infrastructure and knowledge to invest in crypto.
Unfortunately, life is not always fair, and life circumstances are very difficult to change.

[ABCbits]

I still have >5 years old Smartphones I am sometimes navigating on and they work flawlessly even today, even with 1 GB RAM and 4 to 8 GB internal memory.  What do you mean by not being able to navigate the Web?

I was thinking that as well, 1GB is sufficient for web browsing. In fact, Bitcointalk uses far less CPU resource and bandwidth compared with most "modern" website (especially free news website) which contain lots of ads, tracker and javascript.

But if OP smartphone and internet connection isn't decent enough to browse this forum, he can use WAP version at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?;wap.

[Lucius]

Currently I am using Itel P32 which is also not suffiscated enough to navigate the internet.

According to the specifications, it is really a low-end smartphone with a rather weak CPU and only 1 GB of RAM, which certainly affects the user experience. Although some will say that this is enough to browse the forum, the question is how much RAM remains free, or how much it takes up only the OS. However, I was surprised that the price of this device is as much as $80, while for $50 more you can find phones with 4 GB of RAM.

Maybe in addition to the problem with the device, your internet speed is an even bigger problem? Have you tried using different mobile browsers? Opera Mini used to be a very good choice for me a long time ago when I had slow internet and very little RAM available on my smartphone.

[Coyster]

In other words, it is not all the people that have the strive on crypto currency that can access it. Therefore, smart or suffisticated devices becomes their weakness or limitation to any practical participation.

I do not think so, and to be honest i think you're exaggerating the situation on ground, as far as i know and can see (though without any statistics), most Nigerians, especially the youths/educated have a smartphone, now talking about it being sophisticated is another thing, but the phones can definitely surf the internet and do as much 'stuffs' as possible. Nigerians are very enterprising and industrious, and with something as low as 40,000 naira one can get a fairly good phone to handle whatever business it is they want to do online.

[aysg76]

The situation is similar in many third world countries where people are living on same wage rates or little higher but still not sufficient enough to fulfill basic amenities and having a smartphone is really big problem for them like accessing the forum with it.

This is something on which we can't do anything because the forum is optimised to work on low configuration also but you also need internet services for it which will come through sim cards or wifi routers which turns out to be problematic situation for those people.But you see we can't do anything offline as the system is designed in such a manner like you take bitcoin into consideration as you can make offline transactions but you have to use internet to push it to blockchain.

Similarly the smartphone is required for today's crypto market and somehow you need to manage it as finding solutions yourself is best because government are not doing much to eradicate poverty and provide employment to people at much better rate.

As @Lucius has already mentioned that there are smartphones around $130 which you can try but the only problem is with RAM as with 1GB of it the system also needs to run its application and you are left with little but forum could be accessed.There is also one Samsung galaxy A013 which is around N35000 so that means around $88 which is preety low and you can afford it.But still you need to have you conditions clear as this is only help we can give out of our reach.

[Agbe]

Unfortunately, it is an issue we can not do much about.  Pretty much anywhere in the world at this moment you can purchase a fairly cheap Smartphone that is capable of running basic Internet websites.  My definition of cheap may however not fit yours.  What sucks is that if your phone can not run Bitcointalk properly, which is still a very basic website, how are more complex websites such as news performing?

I still have >5 years old Smartphones I am sometimes navigating on and they work flawlessly even today, even with 1 GB RAM and 4 to 8 GB internal memory.  What do you mean by not being able to navigate the Web?

About prices of Smartphones, we all would like to have them for cheap.  Some brands are just too greedy like Apple or Samsung while other brands care more about selling their products for a profit so they go for low profit, high volume.  Best we can do is boycott them, but there will always be these hardcore fanboys.  Xiaomi, Oppo and Realme are a few of these low budget brands to name a few, although Nigeria may not have them for sale or if they do, maybe not as cheap as the United States or Europe does.

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PrivacyG

A citizen of a country lives below a dollar and you are telling the person to go and buy a cheap phone. How?  Please read Asiska02 comment. How can those people he was helping could afford a phone not smart phone but just a Tecno T301 with the amount below a dollar? Are you telling the person to commit crime? So, how the person can get the cheap phone?

And also the 1G phones are not the same, there are different products, and not all can navigate the net.

Navigating the internet means entering all the active sites in the internet without restriction from your phone. The site can restrict you but not the phone.

Lastly, Bitcoin talk is not a simple site.. it has reCAPTCHA which is not allowing all phone to access or login to the site. reCAPTCHA does not even show in some phones.

[PrivacyG]

Are you telling the person to commit crime? So, how the person can get the cheap phone?

I do not think I have ever suggested committing crime to afford a phone.

And also the 1G phones are not the same, there are different products, and not all can navigate the net.

Navigating the internet means entering all the active sites in the internet without restriction from your phone. The site can restrict you but not the phone.

I understand your frustration but you have to also understand this is a situation we can not control.  It is what it is, blame the world leaders for letting this insane wealth inequality happen.  The world has been 'fighting' against poverty for years yet nothing ever seems to change.  In fact, the poor are only getting poorer and the rich are getting so much richer.

There should be other ways to use Bitcointalk.  See below.

Lastly, Bitcoin talk is not a simple site.. it has reCAPTCHA which is not allowing all phone to access or login to the site. reCAPTCHA does not even show in some phones.

This problem can be solved.  reCAPTCHA can be skipped by accessing the following page after logging in: https://bitcointalk.org/captcha_code.php.  Access Bitcointalk from a device that lets you log in properly, go to this page, bookmark your account's ccode link on your own phone and you can always use that link to log in from then on.  If there is no bookmark feature on your phone, write down the ccode link on a piece of paper and keep it handy.  This 'ccode' link is what some users use in order to log in without JavaScript enabled.  Since a lot of older phones do not support JavaScript, it may be the solution to your issues.  After you do this I suppose and hope you can log in even from a 2G phone's web browser.

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PrivacyG

[GeorgeJohn]

Op before you create a topics make a necessary or valuable research, the Data Charles brought is proving you wrong partially, because you of the dollar rate you misquoted the rate. so in the aspect of network, i will say that network is a universal challenges of interior countries or undeveloped countries, and at most the rural environment or communities due lack sufficient network to process data.

So in the aspect of quality phone and latop purchase base on to process information or data, at times low quality phones or phone that has been used to the close of expiring time lack fast processing of internet, so having issues of forum login captcha might come as results of poor network from phone antenna, so it's encouraging to get new phone that have quality and internet fit for Bitcoin talk.

[Agbe]

Op before you create a topics make a necessary or valuable research, the Data Charles brought is providing you wrong partially, because you of the dollar rate you misquoted the rate. so in the aspect of network, i will say that network is a universal challenges of interior countries or undeveloped countries, and at most the rural environment or communities due lack sufficient network to process data.

So in the aspect of quality phone and latop purchase base on to process information or data, at times low quality phones or phone that has been used to the close of expiring time lack fast processing of internet, so having issues of forum login captcha might come as results of poor network from phone antenna, so it's encouraging to get new phone that have quality and internet fit for Bitcoin talk.

A citizen that lives below a dollar a day, how can that person afford the quality smart phone when the quality smart phone is approximately about $50 or more.

The issue here is the high cost of living, goods and services. So, how can we solve this inflation issue in the third world countries? I hope for the dollar exchange rate I provide the link for more clarification.

[Oceat]

This is what we called "life" and only those who strive will cherish the reward. It may not be sufficient for you now OP, but when time flies I'm sure you will overcome your struggles with the help of someone of course since you can't do it on your own no matter how hard you strive.

Not everyone has given a chance to have a smartphone but at least you have one and you can borrow too plus not everyone who doesn't have smartphone know about this forum or i guess even crypto currency or Bitcoin too? Just keep striving and trust the process and be thankful for whoever is helping these days.