What happened to the forum plagiarism rules?

[Coyster]

Kind of off-topic, but have any of our regular Russian or Ukrainian members been chiming in lately?  I know there are a lot of them, and I'd like to hear what they're going through.  Should I un-ignore Politics and Society?  

Yes, i have seen a few users give us an account of what they are going through, really sad, and i do hope they get over this phase and this war stops just as quickly as it began. Sure The Pharmacist if you want to get such information you'll have to un-ignore the politics and society board, at least for that purpose or for the time being.
I got one of such thread for you, here it is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388171.0 but mind you that it is still in the P&S board.
Here is another one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382794.msg59360117#msg59360117

[HRIDOY4847]

Yes, I see that you began to give temporary bans to beginners (if I'm not mistaken). Then let's make it known to everyone that if you are a newbie, you have the right to copy anything you want.

Sir, Many of you are big man. Of course, I am new but sir I am coming forward step by step after seeing you. I don't think I made any mmistak Sir, if I made a mistake then sorry sir I became more cautious.

And another question, how many times can newbies have cases of copying so that punishment will apply to it?

Sir, Newbiers must be punished for making mistakes. But sir I did not copy. I understand myself. And I am constantly learning that you catch small mistakes. I have learned a lot of help you, sir.

Don't mind sir. I said a lot when I was younger, sir
Take Care Sir

[lovesmayfamilis]

Yes, I see that you began to give temporary bans to beginners (if I'm not mistaken). Then let's make it known to everyone that if you are a newbie, you have the right to copy anything you want.

Sir, Many of you are big man. Of course, I am new but sir I am coming forward step by step after seeing you. I don't think I made any mmistak Sir, if I made a mistake then sorry sir I became more cautious.

And another question, how many times can newbies have cases of copying so that punishment will apply to it?

Sir, Newbiers must be punished for making mistakes. But sir I did not copy. I understand myself. And I am constantly learning that you catch small mistakes. I have learned a lot of help you, sir.

Don't mind sir. I said a lot when I was younger, sir
Take Care Sir

What are you trying to prove to me? You didn't copy? Where did you get these posts from? Is it your brain spewing out, all verbatim, the articles that I pointed out?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg59385152#msg59385152

Either you don't understand what it means to copy and paste, or you're fooling around. But the times are such that you are not banned, it's just a matter of time, believe me.

Sir

[Pmalek]

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I think you need to start showing people much more respect than what you are doing now. The total number of 'sir's' in your previous post is unacceptably low and doesn't meet the Bitcointalk posting etiquette. 
Maybe in the future we will see a small change in the number of banned accounts because the overall forum activity is dropping. logfiles' post shows that some of the accounts were banned, but if this issue wasn't brought to everyone's attention, maybe it wouldn't have happened.   

[rat03gopoh]

I'd also like to add my plagiarism report has not been addressed here, iirc I have also used "report to moderator". Post edited after the user got to know my report.
Somehow it may be for this reason that I haven't bothered to identify and report plagiarism cases since then while I'm just a silent reader.

[logfiles]

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If I had a Bitcoin for every sir you used in there, I would be edging closer to being a bitcoin octopus

Do you have to write that man "Sirs" in a sentence to drive your point home?

I'd also like to add my plagiarism report has not been addressed here, iirc I have also used "report to moderator". Post edited after the user got to know my report.
Somehow it may be for this reason that I haven't bothered to identify and report plagiarism cases since then while I'm just a silent reader.

That's straight up plagiarism and worse still the person behind the account is a scam promoter.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Maybe we should know what kind of plagiarism is bannable and which one is not so that we don't waste in making futile reports.

I don't usually report plagiarism, but this user has all the evidence showing that he is an offender, not once, not twice, but almost all his post history. I made a report about 4 days ago yet today, the user continues to plagiarize.

What happened? Should we just give up on this plagiarism reporting thing?

[lovesmayfamilis]

Maybe we should know what kind of plagiarism is bannable and which one is not so that we don't waste in making futile reports.

I don't usually report plagiarism, but this user has all the evidence showing that he is an offender, not once, not twice, but almost all his post history. I made a report about 4 days ago yet today, the user continues to plagiarize.

What happened? Should we just give up on this plagiarism reporting thing?

Most likely, the moderators did not have time to check everything thoroughly. But yesterday I complained about another one of his plagiarisms, and you and I were heard.  https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5950/59508735.html His account has been blocked.
The conclusions that can be drawn are that if the plagiarism of one user is repeated repeatedly, we do not need to give up and continue to send complaints to the moderators.
Although, as you can see, moderators are more loyal to paraphrasing. 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg59518982#msg59518982

[Hispo]

So have the rules against plagiarism become laxer or not?
This is a little bit confusing, to be honest.

[lovesmayfamilis]

So have the rules against plagiarism become laxer or not?
This is a little bit confusing, to be honest.

In 2019, when there was massive blocking, the attitude towards plagiarism was very tough. Accounts that were found to have a copy of 1 sentence or just a few phrases were blocked.
Today, when compared to 2019, the rules are very soft. For an account to be banned, you need to give several examples of plagiarism.
For example, the account that copied the entire large text is still alive. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg59486216#msg59486216
Yesterday's case of visual copying also went unnoticed. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg59541265#msg59541265
Conclusion: yes, today you can copy and go unpunished. BUT it is a dangerous game with fire.
One day, such a purge in 2019 will certainly happen again.

[NeuroticFish]

For an account to be banned, you need to give several examples of plagiarism.

I have the feeling that's not (only) about how many examples of plagiarism are presented, it may be also related to the number of reports (and maybe reporters).
One of my (few, sorry) plagiarism reports stayed there for quite a while (more than 2 weeks) until that account was banned, although he has made plenty of plagiarized posts.


On the other hand, checking properly such an user requires more time than removing a spam/shitpost and the overall damage is big, hence the mods do have to pay proper attention. So I can understand that they may not always be "in the mood" for such a job.

So have the rules against plagiarism become laxer or not?

I would surely not count on that!

[lovesmayfamilis]

For an account to be banned, you need to give several examples of plagiarism.

I have the feeling that's not (only) about how many examples of plagiarism are presented, it may be also related to the number of reports (and maybe reporters).
One of my (few, sorry) plagiarism reports stayed there for quite a while (more than 2 weeks) until that account was banned, although he has made plenty of plagiarized posts.

Well, look, as an example.
teddybear account.
How many users reported its plagiarism? At least three. This is igehhh, Bitcoin_Arena and also previously me.



Isn't that enough? Most likely, we can guess what the moderators think?  Complaints of only one plagiarism, this account does not have a low rank and also does not participate in any subscription company.
To block him, he will need to copy more often , and this case was probably left as a last warning by the moderators.

[Igebotz]

Well, look, as an example.
teddybear account.
How many users reported its plagiarism? At least three. This is igehhh, Bitcoin_Arena and also previously me.



Isn't that enough? Most likely, we can guess what the moderators think?  Complaints of only one plagiarism, this account does not have a low rank and also does not participate in any subscription company.
To block him, he will need to copy more often , and this case was probably left as a last warning by the moderators.

The reason why the mods ignored this user is still unknown; perhaps they assumed he wasn't a spammer because he doesn't belong to any subscription company, as you stated, and he's not a quality poster anyways, judging by his merits history, which shows he's been here since 2013 with no merits and the 100 he had were airdrop. So, now that I've reported, whatever decision mod makes should be in the best interests of the forum.

[wtsimis]

Dear moderators, can I ask you what the latest plagiarism rules are?
I have reported several cases of plagiarism, but no action has been taken on them so far.
Yes, I see that you began to give temporary bans to beginners (if I'm not mistaken). Then let's make it known to everyone that if you are a newbie, you have the right to copy anything you want.
In addition, the forum strives to provide unique content, so why aren't cases of plagiarism even removed?
And another question, how many times can newbies have cases of copying so that punishment will apply to it?



Plagiarism  paraphrasing
User: wtsimis
Post link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5381644.msg59003179#msg59003179
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Sorry for that mistake that I does not add any source link in that post and I also messaged you about this. Asked how to solve it. Later on, I add the source link in that post (as you suggest). Also after adding the source link I again messaged you for removing my name from that plagiarism list. But now you did not reply to me. I think you should give chance to other users before exposing them.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Sorry for that mistake that I does not add any source link in that post and I also messaged you about this. Asked how to solve it. Later on, I add the source link in that post (as you suggest). Also after adding the source link I again messaged you for removing my name from that plagiarism list. But now you did not reply to me. I think you should give chance to other users before exposing them.

What do you want from me? You asked me in a private message what you can do to avoid the ban. I answered you that it is enough to add a link. You did it. Everyone, you will not be banned for this case. Unless you get caught for some other plagiarism.
It is absolutely not necessary to disturb people with constant messages in a personal. Yes, I don't want to answer you anymore, because I see no reason to delete my first accusation. You plagiarized, but you're in luck. Let it be history.
Also, read the policy on unsolicited private messages. I strongly discourage you from doing this.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Sorry for that mistake that I does not add any source link in that post and I also messaged you about this. Asked how to solve it. Later on, I add the source link in that post (as you suggest). Also after adding the source link I again messaged you for removing my name from that plagiarism list. But now you did not reply to me. I think you should give chance to other users before exposing them.

lovesmayfamilis has nothing to do here. You might be in luck for not banned by the mod. It's annoying to see even knowing the rules some people dare to plagiarize and then adjust it by saying a mistake. You are a member, earned 68 merit so far but giving the excuse that it was a mistake.

My guess is, the forum lost so much traffic they can't afford to ban people anymore.

I would like to believe that this is not true.

[Igebotz]

My guess is, the forum lost so much traffic they can't afford to ban people anymore.

I would like to believe that this is not true.

Do you have any other ideas as to why we have so many plagiarized cases but so few banned users? I wish we had another reason to believe that the plagiarism penalty is not as severe as it once was. I also want to believe that low traffic on the site plays a minor role.

What do you want from me?

Lol..Makes me laugh.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Do you have any other ideas as to why we have so many plagiarized cases but so few banned users?

I would like to think that we do not have enough mods to handle the reports and they are missing it because of work overload. This could be a reason too.

Lol..Makes me laugh.

Never mind! Some people thinks when you have a reputed account, you have the privilege to access moderators features 🤪

[Igebotz]

Do you have any other ideas as to why we have so many plagiarized cases but so few banned users?

I would like to think that we do not have enough mods to handle the reports and they are missing it because of work overload. This could be a reason too.

This could be another reason, but we're in the dark because no mods have publicly addressed what's going on and why so much time is spent on reported spam posts rather than plagiarism cases. We can only speculate.. 

Lol..Makes me laugh.

Never mind! Some people thinks when you have a reputed account, you have the privilege to access moderators features 🤪

We are the evils ones 

[wtsimis]

Sorry for that mistake that I does not add any source link in that post and I also messaged you about this. Asked how to solve it. Later on, I add the source link in that post (as you suggest). Also after adding the source link I again messaged you for removing my name from that plagiarism list. But now you did not reply to me. I think you should give chance to other users before exposing them.

What do you want from me?

Nothing and thanks, you do a lot for me. I'm glad to see that you helped me by sending a message's reply. 

It is absolutely not necessary to disturb people with constant messages in a personal.

Again sorry for that, even I don't know that sending two messages about anyone's problems will make feel another people disturb.

Let it be history.

History is created by me and I just tried to resolve it. Again thanks OP to remind me of my missteps.