The situation with Ukraine and the accounts that supported the war.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

But Ukraine president seems to realize that NATO is not going to help them so he already announced that he has no interest in joining the NATO, if he did this couple of weeks earlier the war may not be existed at all.

That's what happen when you have a comedian president. It's true that there are no lack of patriotism from him, he did not run away, he was outspoken, willing to give his life for the country but sometimes you need to be tactical instead of go and face a bullet in the chest. Being tactical does not make you coward. Ukraine president still need to learn GEO politics, maybe he is learning now but it already cost him so many lives. There are no doubt Putin is killing these people in the Ukraine, he is a vampire but Ukraine president could prevent it if he would realize the consequence of his action before.

Some people are saying Zelenskyy a hero. But I do not think after end of this war when Ukraine will have nothing left then what will the same people call him.

You guys are abusing it by your actions.

I don't think anyone is hearing us 😉

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[Findingnemo]

But Ukraine president seems to realize that NATO is not going to help them so he already announced that he has no interest in joining the NATO, if he did this couple of weeks earlier the war may not be existed at all.

That's what happen when you have a comedian president. It's true that there are no lack of patriotism from him, he did not run away, he was outspoken, willing to give his life for the country but sometimes you need to be tactical instead of go and face a bullet in the chest. Being tactical does not make you coward. Ukraine president still need to learn GEO politics, maybe he is learning now but it already cost him so many lives. There are no doubt Putin is killing these people in the Ukraine, he is a vampire but Ukraine president could prevent it if he would realize the consequence of his action before.

Some people are saying Zelenskyy a hero. But I do not think after end of this war when Ukraine will have nothing left then what will the same people call him.

Zelensky is on the ground and main stream media is showing that he is fighting with their soldiers against Russian army but there are lot of fake images also spread even by the media now they confirmed that many of them were fake and those pictures were  many years old and taken for photoshoot like concept.

Politics is getting more dirty because these politicians can do anything what they want to manipulate people's emotions.

[Mpamaegbu]

That's what happen when you have a comedian president. It's true that there are no lack of patriotism from him, he did not run away, he was outspoken, willing to give his life for the country but sometimes you need to be tactical instead of go and face a bullet in the chest. Being tactical does not make you coward.

What would you've suggested he did? Gave up his constitutional right to defend the sovereignty of his country without a fight? I don't think he did any wrong by putting up a fight and staring Putin in the face. If anything, his action shows bravery.

Some people are saying Zelenskyy a hero. But I do not think after end of this war when Ukraine will have nothing left then what will the same people call him.

I will still see him as a hero despite the outcome of the war now despite the fact that NATO chickened out on him after seemingly showing support before the war. Now, all member nations of NATO are scared of Russia. NATO is the real coward here.

I don't think anyone is hearing us 😉

It's about time DT members intensified efforts in tagging those abusing the trust system then.

[Etranger]

But Ukraine president seems to realize that NATO is not going to help them so he already announced that he has no interest in joining the NATO, if he did this couple of weeks earlier the war may not be existed at all.

That's what happen when you have a comedian president. It's true that there are no lack of patriotism from him, he did not run away, he was outspoken, willing to give his life for the country but sometimes you need to be tactical instead of go and face a bullet in the chest. Being tactical does not make you coward. Ukraine president still need to learn GEO politics, maybe he is learning now but it already cost him so many lives. There are no doubt Putin is killing these people in the Ukraine, he is a vampire but Ukraine president could prevent it if he would realize the consequence of his action before.

Some people are saying Zelenskyy a hero. But I do not think after end of this war when Ukraine will have nothing left then what will the same people call him.

His geopolitics in recent times has been mainly to convey to Western countries that Russia is not just our problem. Zelenskyi called for sanctions before the war. Europe has decided to wait until the tanks approach Kyiv. He called for disabling Russia's swift payments. Europe has once again decided to wait until a bunch of Russian oligarchs have time to withdraw money and take them and themselves securily abroad. Now he calls for closing the sky over Ukraine. The West is waiting again, probably when all the cities in Ukraine will be almost destroyed.

He does all this in advance. And all his fears are confirmed. There was already enough evidence that Russia was not going to stop. But geopolitics needs very long discussions with the result of nothing (like their vague decision about our application for an accelerated consideration of Ukraine as a candidate for EU membership) and bureaucratic procedures, for the duration of which our people pay with their lives. Maybe it's worth reconsidering the world's rules of geopolitics? Because so far he is the only one who really deals with solving problems, and does not express "concern".

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

His geopolitics in recent times has been mainly to convey to Western countries that Russia is not just our problem. Zelenskyi called for sanctions before the war. Europe has decided to wait until the tanks approach Kyiv. He called for disabling Russia's swift payments. Europe has once again decided to wait until a bunch of Russian oligarchs have time to withdraw money and take them and themselves securily abroad. Now he calls for closing the sky over Ukraine. The West is waiting again, probably when all the cities in Ukraine will be almost destroyed.

Why would West actually need Ukraine other than to use them to monitor Russia from close position? West do not want to involve in direct conflict with Russia. They do not care about Ukraine. They care about their interest. Once they will see it's not working then they will abandoned Ukraine, in fact this is what they are doing. Without the oil and gas from Russia EU, West will be in recession. Ukraine president never looked at the history or Afghanistan and others who once were supplied weapon by the West made them what they once were and then once West found out they could not get what they want they just abandoned them.

You could have big balls but like I said if you are not tactical then balls do not help you. History will use Ukraine when they will talk about balls and how to handle your opponent even if you have big balls 😉

[friends1980]

Whatever happened to Evelyn Beatrice Hall / Voltaire's "Je ne suis pas d'accord avec ce que vous dites, mais je me battrai jusqu'au bout pour que vous puissiez le dire"?

The fact that you defend someone's freedom of opinion does not mean that you share the content of his opinion.

The fact that you defend the freedom of speech of war supporters does not mean that you support the war.

I don't really understand why it is necessary to open a thread about this subject. Afaik, this has been the policy of this forum long before the first day I came to visit and it has been so ever since.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

@op, like a few others have said, from my own personal observations, no one have committed any crime that's ban worthy here on the forum, you and your opponents or should I say opposition were clearly abusing the trust system, in as much as I personally am not in support of the ongoing war between Russia and  Ukraine, I still believe or think everyone is free to support which ever side they choose to support, in as much as everything in the world isn't free, it's still a free world, so it's absolutely inappropriate to try to impose your belief on another person or force them to support what you support.
You guys should educate yourselves on what the trust system is meant for and how to use it and stop using it for your own selfish reasons or interests.

[cryptomaxsun]

Whatever happened to Evelyn Beatrice Hall / Voltaire's "Je ne suis pas d'accord avec ce que vous dites, mais je me battrai jusqu'au bout pour que vous puissiez le dire"?

The fact that you defend someone's freedom of opinion does not mean that you share the content of his opinion.

The fact that you defend the freedom of speech of war supporters does not mean that you support the war.

I don't really understand why it is necessary to open a thread about this subject. Afaik, this has been the policy of this forum long before the first day I came to visit and it has been so ever since.

You didn't understand anything, it's not about freedom of speech.
I am a Ukrainian and I live in Ukraine, aggression has been committed against my country, a full-fledged war is going on, houses are being destroyed, civilians are dying.
But a bunch of quilted jackets from the Russian locale claim that there is none of this, they wrote to my trust that I am a fascist.
They are misleading people by spreading lies, what more proof do you need?
Who can I fix the trust, the lies written there by these scumbags and moral freaks?

[lovesmayfamilis]

Today in the Russian section there are really unpleasant swearing between Ukrainians and Russians. But why should a Bitcoin forum discuss politics in every section?
OP, you are Ukrainian, why don't you write in the Ukrainian local section? That way you wouldn't get into arguments with the bad guys, you call them.
It is very sad that yesterday's users, who communicated normally before, today have turned into barking dogs that hate each other.
“Someday you will wake up and realize that you are participating in a terrible performance, the purpose of which was to test your humanity”

[TheBeardedBaby]

Trust system is not designed to deal with someone's political views. It's purely for trading reputation and it's mostly forum related. For me in the OP situation, it is unappropriated to use negative feedback for what people believe in or not. There's always two sides of the medal and there will always be two sides.

And here comes the rule no. 8. This is the only rule you can use if there's any personal conflict on that high level.

No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats.

[Etranger]

Today in the Russian section there are really unpleasant swearing between Ukrainians and Russians. But why should a Bitcoin forum discuss politics in every section?
OP, you are Ukrainian, why don't you write in the Ukrainian local section? That way you wouldn't get into arguments with the bad guys, you call them.

First of all, Bitcoin forum should discuss politics because these are the questions that concern everyone in one way or another. We can already see how Russia's war against Ukraine is affecting world markets. Fuel prices are rising, higher energy prices will affect inflation and the purchasing power of people in the West. The crypto market is also not left out. Uncertainty, which investors fear most, is already affecting asset prices. Many investors from Ukraine and russia do not have access to their assets and cease to be active market participants.

The shaky situation is increasingly undermined by fake news and provocative calls. The forum is attended by pro-Putin members who which are involved into the information war. Bitcointalk is a great platform for disseminating and discussing information. And now information about the war directly affects trading and crypto investment. Investors need to consider fundamentals and analyze global trends for successful deals. If this fundamental analysis is based on fake news, it is obvious that it will also affect trading. That is why Ukrainians at the forum, OP and I among them, are trying to resist the spread of false, criminal information at the forum, and to share the truth about the terrorist acts that the Russians staged in our country. It is not so much a struggle against pro-Putin agents as a struggle for foreign opinion and minds, which is not directly involved in the war and which knows less factors for forming one's own position in this war. And you will have to choose the side, this is not the time to remain neutral, because neutrality is the tacit support of criminals who kill civilians and level our cities to the ground.

[Coyster]

First of all, Bitcoin forum should discuss politics because these are the questions that concern everyone in one way or another.

Of course, politics is a topic of discussion in this forum, but there is a dedicated section to discuss such and that is the politics and society board, then if you also want to discuss about the war in relation to how it affects the global and national economics, then there is also a board dedicated for such (economic) discussions, and that is the economics board.

Today in the Russian section there are really unpleasant swearing between Ukrainians and Russians. But why should a Bitcoin forum discuss politics in every section?
OP, you are Ukrainian, why don't you write in the Ukrainian local section? That way you wouldn't get into arguments with the bad guys, you call them.
It is very sad that yesterday's users, who communicated normally before, today have turned into barking dogs that hate each other.
“Someday you will wake up and realize that you are participating in a terrible performance, the purpose of which was to test your humanity”

I can understand the situation, and to be honest i was pretty sure it was going to get emotional and users would struggle to keep their emotions in check, it is indeed difficult times for Ukrainians and i would not blame them if they use every avenue to voice out their anger at this unnecesary war, i am pretty sure there are quite a lot of them here that are getting a first hand view of the war/bombardment, if i were such people, i honestly do not think i would as well be able to control my emotions. But in the end i really just hope for peace, cause taking sides would do nothing to help the situation, the sooner all of this ends, the better for us all as a community really.

[decodx]

OP, you are Ukrainian, why don't you write in the Ukrainian local section? That way you wouldn't get into arguments with the bad guys, you call them.

It should be noted that only 67.5% of Ukraine's population speaks Ukrainian as a native language. The remainder mostly speaks Russian (although that doesn't mean they are Russophiles).

It is very sad that yesterday's users, who communicated normally before, today have turned into barking dogs that hate each other.
“Someday you will wake up and realize that you are participating in a terrible performance, the purpose of which was to test your humanity”

Sadly, that's the price of war. Unfortunately, these wounds won't heal so quickly.

[cryptomaxsun]

Accounts that support Russia's war against Ukraine, the atrocities of Russian soldiers, the killing of civilians, Interpol will be interested in you, you are accomplices of terrorists.
This means you are responsible for the murders, you will be deanonymized, found and brought to trial.
And you will not be able to get out, the punishment will be.
Here is the list of shame, scum supporting the war:
ser_trader
Snork1979
FS2018
Ddester
Excimer
leonello
be.open
lin_lin
ivan1975
Azrieli
Xommy
delfastTions
Demid66
KingScorpio
Tash
butcher_spam
mp3.Maniac
senya-com
Veleor
Branko
lovesmayfamilis
Best_Change
Hhampuz

The list will be supplemented, the forum should know the scoundrels.

[Etranger]

Accounts that support Russia's war against Ukraine, the atrocities of Russian soldiers, the killing of civilians, Interpol will be interested in you, you are accomplices of terrorists.
This means you are responsible for the murders, you will be deanonymized, found and brought to trial.
And you will not be able to get out, the punishment will be.
Here is the list of shame, scum supporting the war:
ser_trader
Snork1979
FS2018
Ddester
Boba Fett_
Excimer
leonello
be.open
lin_lin
ivan1975
Lowsnow
Azrieli
Xommy
delfastTions
Demid66

The list will be supplemented, the forum should know the scoundrels.

Here Tash and KingScorpio can be added. They are not so passionate as be.open is, but they incessantly and thoughtlessly broadcast the messages of the russian zombie TV box. And also often just throw some links to fake resources and news, even without any comments. Looks like spam, but the dangerous kind.

[macson]

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Here Tash and KingScorpio can be added. They are not so passionate as be.open is, but they incessantly and thoughtlessly broadcast the messages of the russian zombie TV box. And also often just throw some links to fake resources and news, even without any comments. Looks like spam, but the dangerous kind.

i know what you @op is feeling and struggling with but it looks like this is a META thread ^{(which deals with future BTT forums)}, better move this topic to thread reputation imo.  To be honest, i believe that both sides are fighting for or defending their respective countries, so there is no right or wrong. ^{(In your this topic i am neutral )}

[1miau]

Accounts that support Russia's war against Ukraine, the atrocities of Russian soldiers, the killing of civilians, Interpol will be interested in you, you are accomplices of terrorists.
This means you are responsible for the murders, you will be deanonymized, found and brought to trial.
And you will not be able to get out, the punishment will be.
Here is the list of shame, scum supporting the war:
...

The list will be supplemented, the forum should know the scoundrels.

Here Tash and KingScorpio can be added. They are not so passionate as be.open is, but they incessantly and thoughtlessly broadcast the messages of the russian zombie TV box. And also often just throw some links to fake resources and news, even without any comments. Looks like spam, but the dangerous kind.

+1
KingScorpio is known in the German section for his zero-value Troll-Spam and Shitposts, his hate against Bitcoin and Bitcointalk in general, that people have asked him, why he's still here if he doesn't like Bitcoin and Bitcointalk. 
Maybe he's just here to use Bitcointalk for free to load off his crap posts and to advertise his failed shittoken project. His shittoken is as useless as his defamation shitposts. 
Unfortunately, the previous website of his shittoken is down because I can remember he had a selfie there and he totally looks like the content of his retarded maniac comments. 

[cryptomaxsun]

Regiment of fascists arrived.

As experience shows, the forum is more pro-Russian, Russian aggression against Ukraine is encouraged in every possible way, violence and killings of civilians are justified.
This is called all sorts of words that have nothing to do with what is happening in Ukraine.
What kind of liberality or freedom of speech can there be when they find the most ridiculous excuses for war?
War has no justification, war is always terrible.

ser_trader
Snork1979
FS2018
Ddester
Excimer
leonello
be.open
lin_lin
ivan1975
Azrieli
Xommy
delfastTions
Demid66
KingScorpio
Tash
butcher_spam
mp3.Maniac
senya-com
Veleor
Branko
lovesmayfamilis
Best_Change
Hhampuz
viljy
A-Bolt
89tibkd

[Rikafip]

As experience shows, the forum is more pro-Russian, Russian aggression against Ukraine is encouraged in every possible way, violence and killings of civilians are justified

First you say that forum is more pro-Russian and then you go on to provide ~20 names that are according to you fascists and support the war. Wouldn't that number be much bigger if forum members are mainly pro-Russian, as you claim?

[Hhampuz]

Fuck you, you virtue-signaling piece of shit.

You do not know what I think or what I do because of the situation in Ukraine, and do you know why you don't know? Because I do not share it here on bitcointalk.

You sent me a message demanding that I remove delfastTions from my campaigns because he is a fascist and a supporter or murder, what did I reply to you? All I asked was that you got others speaking russian or ukrainian to back up what you were saying and I'd take action. Did you do that? No, did anyone else reach out to me? No.

So fuck you, and congratulations on being put on ignore.