DT Abuse by stake.com owner Stunna

[Baskin198]

Stunna, the owner of stake.com has given me negative feedback because I created a thread of how they scammed me for $80k (now around $100k)

Original thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5383835.0

It has been 2-3 months and they are holding my funds claiming some odds provide investigation but they don't have any timeline on how long it would take. Yes, it can literally take 10 years and they have stopped replying to me via emails.

I made some 500 bets within the last 1 month before the account was locked. They say because I win some 29 bets from 32 bets, I am a match-fixer. They have left me a -ve feedback as well without any proofs and purely based on assumptions.

Isn't this abuse of power that you scam people and if they report it, you leave them -ve feedback. I have posted all the proofs but they have only made stories that because I won many bets, I am match-fixing. Even trusted members like LoyceV are afraid to speak against them and believed their stories, by giving merit to their assumptions.

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[AB de Royse777]

It is of our firm belief that user is engaged in match fixing and these concerns were echoed by our odds provider who independently warned us of your activity.

This situation was made even worse by OP trying to pass a variety of suspected fake identification documents as his own, all of which were rejected by our integrity team. This resulted in a block of your account. You sent us 4 different ID's all of them with different names, different numbers, and even different nationalities and places of birth.

All the above mentioned facts in conjunction with the ongoing investigation that confirmed your links to a well known match-fixer, support our decision of blocking your account and we will be pursuing the return of any funds.

Well, I can confirm I am NOT involved in any match-fixing and not sure about what you have said above.

So Stunna tagged Baskin198 because they believe the user engaged in match fixing. On the other hand Baskin198 saying he is not involved with any fixing. All we have is you and me words and since Stunna has a weapon to silent anyone creates scam accusation against them, they used it.

What if today I would have been in the same situation like Baskin198 and I would say that I did not fix match. How would I prove it that I really did not fix the match. Stunna would come and paint my wall?

The red tag seems to silent someone and does look very inappropriate to me. So does the flag.

hey stunna/stake/odds provider etc,

For my argument I am going to take your comment as 100% truth.

can u answer why stake still has russian TT games available to bet on ?
If u are that worried and sure about matches being fixed , why not stop offering these markets weeks ago?

are u not free rolling users then ? U can always decline to payout citing fixed games but did ANYONE get a refund on those games who payouts u withheld ?

obviously stake is doing very  well right now, YET u are still offering the dodgy games that you yourself say have match fixers.

IMO this just shows the greed and immorality of stake.com management.

Well said. Does this means I should tag Stunna?

[Baskin198]

I am so grateful someone has stood up against him. I don't think casino owners should be given so much power that they scam and on top harass the player as well.

[AB de Royse777]

I am so grateful someone has stood up against him. I don't think casino owners should be given so much power that they scam and on top harass the player as well.

I don't think this is the case. I am sure many will look deep into it and leave their opinion. I do not think there are such thing like giving power in the community. There are many user who play fair in the platform and stand up against anything that they think is wrong.

I would have no problem supporting Stunna if they would have solid proof before tagging you. I do not support tagging based on your and my words. It's seemed violent use of feedback system.

[LoyceV]

Even trusted members like LoyceV are afraid to speak against them and believed their stories, by giving merit to their assumptions.

For the record: my Merit means I think the post is worth reading. If you make an accusation against a highly trusted user, I think their reply deserves Merit. That doesn't necessarily mean I agree.

Isn't this abuse of power that you scam people and if they report it, you leave them -ve feedback.

If a scammer would do that, it would be abuse of power and they should be removed from DT. However, in this case, I haven't seen evidence of Stunna scamming. I did however see OP admit to identity fraud.

So Stunna tagged Baskin198 because they believe the user engaged in match fixing. On the other hand Baskin198 saying he is not involved with any fixing. All we have is you and me words and since Stunna has a weapon to silent anyone creates scam accusation against them, they used it.

Negative feedback isn't meant to silence users.

What if today I would have been in the same situation like Baskin198 and I would say that I did not fix match. How would I prove it that I really did not fix the match.

You can't prove that, and that's a problem. I'd say this should be a reason not to engage in sports betting at all.

if they would have solid proof

To me, this seems like a case that can't be resolved here on Bitcointalk. We can't know for sure what happened, which makes it a case for a judge. As far as I know Stake is licensed, so you can get a lawyer to get to the bottom of this.

[Baskin198]

If a scammer would do that, it would be abuse of power and they should be removed from DT. However, in this case, I haven't seen evidence of Stunna scamming. I did however see OP admit to identity fraud.

I have previously failed to verify my account 1 year back when asked for documents, after submitting fake documents according to them, if identity verification is such an important thing, why was I allowed to gamble that time? Because I was losing, obviously

To me, this seems like a case that can't be resolved here on Bitcointalk. We can't know for sure what happened, which makes it a case for a judge. As far as I know Stake is licensed, so you can get a lawyer to get to the bottom of this.

The Curacao license is fully tilted towards the gambling house, you can please google about it. Even 1xbet have the same license, but can you really do anything?

Now you said this can't be solved on forum. Fine, then why have you tagged 1xbet (rghtly so) and if you tag one casino then you must have the same attitude towards other casinos/sportsbooks.

Ether give the casinos a free hand to scam players and do whatever they want or if you are going to stand against scams, then no reason to skip stake, just because they have a good prior history on bitcointalk.

[Mahdirakib]

So Stunna tagged Baskin198 because they believe the user engaged in match fixing. On the other hand Baskin198 saying he is not involved with any fixing. All we have is you and me words and since Stunna has a weapon to silent anyone creates scam accusation against them, they used it.

Stake has thousands of players who are placing bets always. A lot of Stake players are placing hundred thousand dollars bet everyday. Stake team hasn't locked every user account. Why Stunna believed that OP was engaged in match fixing

OP found some information regarding fixed table tennis matches as he started taking maximum amount of profit from bets there where he never wagered before like that.

Let's assume, you have never placed bets on cricket matches. But all on a sudden you have started to place bets on cricket matches, especially in precise results. As example: there will be 6 runs in the 2nd over, 5 runs and 1 wicket in the 3rd over, 2 runs in the 4th over, 7 runs in the 5th over. Then you won 90% of your bets. The odds provider and bookie will do further investigation when they will find suspicious betting pattern like that. Stake team has done it and found

His own XRP address had a transaction sent to a prior caught match fixer which looks like a payout for the information he got via him.

~snip~ if identity verification is such an important thing, why was I allowed to gamble that time? Because I was losing, obviously

KYC verification isn't required as long as you are a loyal user of the casino. But every casino will ask you to verify your identity if they find such suspicious activity. You shouldn't have submitted 4 different identity documents. You should have communicated with Stake support team to know that why your documents were being rejected. But you have done this

This situation was made even worse by OP trying to pass a variety of suspected fake identification documents as his own, all of which were rejected by our integrity team. This resulted in a block of your account. You sent us 4 different ID's all of them with different names, different numbers, and even different nationalities and places of birth.

[Baskin198]

Stake has thousands of players who are placing bets always. A lot of Stake players are placing hundred thousand dollars bet everyday. Stake team hasn't locked every user account. Why Stunna believed that OP was engaged in match fixing

So does 1xbit, that's an invalid point. There could be a case of selective scam.

Let's assume, you have never placed bets on cricket matches. But all on a sudden you have started to place bets on cricket matches, especially in precise results. As example: there will be 6 runs in the 2nd over, 5 runs and 1 wicket in the 3rd over, 2 runs in the 4th over, 7 runs in the 5th over. Then you won 90% of your bets. The odds provider and bookie will do further investigation when they will find suspicious betting pattern like that. Stake team has done it and found

Someone winning 90% bets is never a good argument because there are players losing 90% bets, does that mean stake is match-fixing?

I have more than 100 bets on table tennis in total at stake I believe, I used to bet earlier years ago and then I was betting recently. Don't make assumptions please.

KYC verification isn't required as long as you are a loyal user of the casino. But every casino will ask you to verify your identity if they find such suspicious activity. You shouldn't have submitted 4 different identity documents. You should have communicated with Stake support team to know that why your documents were being rejected. But you have done this

Are you kidding me? Bet365 and any legit casino/sportsbook will ask KYC first up. KYC isn't (or shouldn't) be a toy for casinos to play with when a player wins big. You ask for KYC when you believe the player is accessing from a restricted area or you are deemed ineligible for gambling like underage etc.

[dkbit98]

Baskin198 do you really need to create multiple topics with more or less the same content?
On March 13th you created a topic called No one wants to speak against stake.com and today you created this new topic about Stunna.
I know you created more topics in Scam Accusations section before, but you can't expect to get more attention with more topics.
I am not going to attack or defend anyone here because I didn't saw enough evidence from both sides, and you should know the risks of involving with gambling websites and fact they can seize your funds at anytime (as per terms).

Even trusted members like LoyceV are afraid to speak against them and believed their stories, by giving merit to their assumptions.

I think his everyday thick skin training resulted in super-soft skin and years of suffering, so he is probably unable to attack (or defend) others anymore
I am sure he can send you merits also if it makes you feel any better.

[suchmoon]

Are you kidding me? Bet365 and any legit casino/sportsbook will ask KYC first up. KYC isn't (or shouldn't) be a toy for casinos to play with when a player wins big. You ask for KYC when you believe the player is accessing from a restricted area or you are deemed ineligible for gambling like underage etc.

This doesn't justify trying to pass KYC with fake documents. If you hadn't done that, it might be believable that you just got caught up in the KYC bullshit inadvertently. I don't think you can play that card (no pun intended) now.

[Baskin198]

Are you kidding me? Bet365 and any legit casino/sportsbook will ask KYC first up. KYC isn't (or shouldn't) be a toy for casinos to play with when a player wins big. You ask for KYC when you believe the player is accessing from a restricted area or you are deemed ineligible for gambling like underage etc.

This doesn't justify trying to pass KYC with fake documents. If you hadn't done that, it might be believable that you just got caught up in the KYC bullshit inadvertently. I don't think you can play that card (no pun intended) now.

I am not playing any cards and I fully accept the mistake I made. But you have to understand that there's a withdraw only mode for such cases and my account is currently put in that mode, where I can withdraw but not gamble. Even then, I am not able to withdraw.

You see if a player makes a deposit and fails to do KYC, doesn't mean the casinos now owns the money because that wouod motivate the casino to intentionally avoid passing the KYC for player. This is why casinos use withdraw only mode.

Also the discussion we are doing here is, Stunna tagged me as "match-fixer" without any proofs. If they tagged me as "fake KYC" I might understand.

Also I have said 10 times and will say again, I never submitted fake KYC but KYC from my son when forced for English documents and later from my friend when forced to submit passport which I don't have.

[suchmoon]

I am not playing any cards and I fully accept the mistake I made.

It's not a mistake.

But you have to understand that there's a withdraw only mode for such cases and my account is currently put in that mode, where I can withdraw but not gamble. Even then, I am not able to withdraw.

You see if a player makes a deposit and fails to do KYC, doesn't mean the casinos now owns the money because that wouod motivate the casino to intentionally avoid passing the KYC for player. This is why casinos use withdraw only mode.

I think there is a huge difference between failed KYC and repeatedly trying to pass KYC with different IDs. I don't like the KYC shit and try to avoid sites that do it, and I understand people who have genuine issues passing KYC with their real docs. That's not what happened here.

Also the discussion we are doing here is, Stunna tagged me as "match-fixer" without any proofs. If they tagged me as "fake KYC" I might understand.

Ok, here you go.

Also I have said 10 times and will say again, I never submitted fake KYC but KYC from my son when forced for English documents and later from my friend when forced to submit passport which I don't have.

That's still fake KYC, doesn't matter if you got the ID from a "friend" or bought it or scrapbooked it yourself.