delete

[Excimer]

delete

[Coyster]

There is already a ukrainian local 'thread': https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.0 i know it is not a "fully-featured" board that you are asking for, but it is at least a place Ukrainians can discuss varieties of issues in their local language.

But having said that, don't you think if Theymos even does that (i mean accept your request), it could prolly send the wrong message, a message that we're fostering/fueling disunity, AFAIK, Ukrainians and Russians have communicated together in the Russian section for a long while without many problems till this war started, in my opinion i believe we should stand on the side of peace and hope this war ends asap and we all can settle our disputes and start discussing about Bitcoin as a community, like we used to.

This war will definitely end, but our actions during it as a community will decide if things will ever go back to normal on the forum between nationals of the two nations in conflict.

[Despairo]

First of all I'm not Russian or someone who doesn't like Ukraine, I'm neutral here.

The current Ukraine thread in Other languages/locations section only have 5581 posts, it's not the biggest since Vietnamese and Pakistan have more higher posts. Also Ukraine aren't active anymore started from 6 months ago, October 2021-March 2022 only create 22 it's really low activity.

So I don't think it's the right time to create the new section for Ukraine, it's doesn't have any activity and time wasting for @theymos to create it.

[Coyster]

No, it's convenient for you to reason like this because you are not taking part in russian-sub discussions.
You don't know what's happening there

Well you could say that, but could you refer me to instances prior to this war were Ukrainians and Russians had a serious problem communicating in the same local board, maybe then i can start believing your assumptions that there have always been chaos like you're suggesting.

You're just making the disaster even worse. Ukrainians users are fighting for independence, but you do not give them this independence

Again stop making assumptions, can you likewise refer me to instances of me making the disaster worse, i am waiting. And what independence are you talking about exactly? There are certain criterias for the creation of a local board, and activity is one very important one, since you are requesting for a local board, give Theymost reasons why he should create one, without saying there is chaos in the Russian locale and thus there should be a local board. Look at what a request for a local board should look like: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5315340.0

Because all activity of ukrainian users flows to the Russian locale. Are you forgot that ukrainians can speak both on russian & ukrainian? Give them a full-featured ukrainian locale board - and you will see that they will be speaking on ukrainian there. Low activity? Don't mess ukrainain thread with great underrated growth potential with frankly low activity nigerian thread

Since all activity of Ukrainians flow to the Russian locale, then this is what to do: Ukrainians should post in their local thread and boost the activity of the thread, and then should request for a local board. I really do not understand the seriousness of your tone and why you're making a needless comparison with the Nigerian local thread, but need i remind you that the Ukrainian local thread has been around since 2013 (over 9 years ago), with 280 pages of posts, while the Nigerian local thread was created in 2019 (over 3 years ago) with over 128 pages of posts, it definitely isn't a low activity thread, but then again, what is the comparison for?

[stompix]

I have prepared I list of candidates as a moderators (I think they can be trusted):
Russian locale board: Ratimov, lovesmayfamilis

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2627630

Ratimov alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with Excimer is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions.
Support: Balthazar, nutildah, Xal0lex, lovesmayfamilis, Ratimov,~

Are you done trolling?

I've checked those topics you've mentioned and I already expected to see that in 90% of the cases the user that was trying to ignite discussions with every post mentioning nazis was actually you, I missed my mark by 10%.

[Upgrade00]

I think it's time to create a full-fledged Ukrainian locale with subsections. And first of all, create a political subsection for ukrainian users, since there is an urgent request for this from the majority of ukrainian users

This is the first thread I have come across regarding this issue, that doesn't represent an urgent request from the majority, it's your request.
You should be looking to back your request you with data so as to convince the admin that a local board is really needed and a thread is not sufficient to support the discussions.

P.S: Stop ignoring that fact that moderators in russian locale are ukrainians.

That should mean that Ukrainians are not being marginalized as they are represented as moderators.
Although, admin is very selective in choosing a moderator and users who are selected usually have a low chance if being biased.

[tranthidung]

The current Ukraine thread in Other languages/locations section only have 5581 posts, it's not the biggest since Vietnamese and Pakistan have more higher posts. Also Ukraine aren't active anymore started from 6 months ago, October 2021-March 2022 only create 22 it's really low activity.

Total posts, total pages don't make sense in terms of quality. Many pages in Vietnamese local thread is from years ago and full of spam. That's why that thread was locked (originally locked permanently) years ago (2018 perhaps) before I successfully asked for unlock it. After that, it is very inactively.

I unlocked the thread. Please report any spam or blatant abuse of this thread to staff using the report to moderator button. If it's found to be abused again by spam and people do not report it the thread will be re-locked. Thanks.

I guess the main reason why Ukrainians post more often in Russian local board is firstly that is a local board, not a local thread that makes it better organized, more easily to find what you need and discuss with. Secondly, almost similar language.

However, I do see the point that the terrible war and invasion from Russia that triggered by Putin changed all. I am sure that it has changed all communication among Russians and Ukranians. Therefor, Ukrainians will have more reasons to request for their own local board.

[m2017]

I don't think that creating a Ukraine locale is essential and I can offer a simpler solution, which I will announce below.

Instead of people uniting here by common interests, people squabble and split the crypto community. Wasn for this Satoshi founded this forum?

Necessary measures must be taken. For example, instigators and violators can be temporarily punished (15-30 day ban) for inappropriate behavior and insults. Is there such a thing in the forum rules? Both sides of the conflict should be punished, depending on the degree of their violations. Henceforth it will cool their heads and they will think before they write anything here.

I hope the moderators will pay attention to the situation and try to resolve it.

P.S. Also, it's strange to me that discussions on political topics don't move (or don't have time to move) to the Politics & Society section. Maybe we will communicate within the framework of topics and sections and let's not turn the forum into one continuous section of politics? It's bitcointalk, not politictalk, isn't it?

[Findingnemo]

This thread is probably result of ego clash but theymos won't be giving priority to such things. Why we should start hating each other atleast here we should support each other and stop discussion of dirty politics. If you guys still wants then just go to the politics section and create a thread there.

[Little Mouse]

There is already a ukrainian local 'thread'

This is just an ukrainian thread. Just a thread

I'm really not sure how many posts are there in the Ukraine thread each day or a month. But at the moment, Bengali thread is doing far better than most of the local board board.
But still, Bengali isn’t considered to get a board. We are still hanging out in a chaotic situation. But theymos hasn’t yet considered that.
I don't think theymos will consider a board for Ukraine either but I wish your request get a successful ending.

But why do you propose to change the moderator of Russian board? There are two moderators there already. Xandry and Xal0lex is doing fine if I'm correct.

[KingsDen]

It is your right to call for the creation of Ukraine board if you feel that Ukrainians have fulfilled the requirements of having a local board.

It would have been nice if you presented your request without tieing it to the ongoing war between the Russians and Ukrainians.

Creating a Ukrainian Board at this point will defeat the purpose of unity, which means we are driven by political waves outside.
 

I have prepared I list of candidates as a moderators (I think they can be trusted):
Russian locale board: Ratimov, lovesmayfamilis
New Ukrainian Board: xandry, KTChampions

The war you alleged that is going on in Russian locale, is it between the Russian users and Ukraine users, or it is a war of moderators?

[cabron]

It is your right to call for the creation of Ukraine board if you feel that Ukrainians have fulfilled the requirements of having a local board.

It would have been nice if you presented your request without tieing it to the ongoing war between the Russians and Ukrainians.

Creating a Ukrainian Board at this point will defeat the purpose of unity, which means we are driven by political waves outside.
 

I have prepared I list of candidates as a moderators (I think they can be trusted):
Russian locale board: Ratimov, lovesmayfamilis
New Ukrainian Board: xandry, KTChampions

The war you alleged that is going on in Russian locale, is it between the Russian users and Ukraine users, or it is a war of moderators?

There might just be a few Ukrainians going to be on the local board the fact that the country is cut out of the internet. But because most Ukrainians speak the Russian language, they clash on the Russian forum, it might help if they just add the Ukrainian forum under Russia as a subforum. That's just a suggestion though.

The discussions between the members and all their posts will help us see what's happening on the ground. It's not to make people fight. The moment users start using the pronoun "YOU" in sentences, it makes personal that's what they should be avoiding.

Instead of using "You" use something like "Russian government". That helps calm the person on the other side.

[Rikafip]

Why half-dead Hebrew locale is allowed to be a full-fledged?

Why high-potential Ukrainian locale is not allowed to be a full-fledged?

What you obviously don't understand is that things regarding local boards are not working like that. Forum staff is not creating new local boards unless they see that there is enough interest in your own local thread and that it makes sense to create a new one.

So, to have even remotely slight chance of ever getting your own local board you (and other members that are currently active in Russian board) will have to be more active in Ukrainian board as so far that haven't be the case, with approximately 10 posts written in the last month or so. There are local communities with 300 posts per month that are still waiting for their own local board, meaning it won't be easy.

Regarding half-dead Hebrew board (that was created long time ago), that's exactly the reason why theymos&co are reluctant to open new boards easily as there are few more other than Hebrew that went dead (Japanese, Korean, Chinese etc).

[PrimeNumber7]

There is already a ukrainian local 'thread': https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.0 i know it is not a "fully-featured" board that you are asking for, but it is at least a place Ukrainians can discuss varieties of issues in their local language.

Even if there is not sufficient activity to support a local sub for Ukraine, I think the circumstances warrant a local sub for Ukraine that is distinct and different from the local sub for Russia.

The above will make clear that Ukraine is recognized by the forum as an independent nation that is separate and distinct from Russia. 

[NeuroticFish]

People don't have to understand each other. I expect that this situation may happen even between some Russians too (some pro war, some against).

Since this is a forum of free speech, the options are simple:
* if you don't like certain user, you are free to ignore him
* if one spams, or threatens, you can report him

So I see no good reason in splitting, especially as:
* most probably not all Russians are pro-war.
* even if you'd have different boards, nobody would stop Russians flood Ukrainian board and Ukrainians flood Russian board
* together you may make it work/make some understand they're wrong.

Thermos, what do you think?

You mean this inactive newbie? 

[hugeblack]

I think there is a point that has been overlooked in all of these discussions, the forum is to talk about Bitcoin, are there enough Ukrainians threads that talking about Bitcoin?

Your argument will be understandable if you say we want a local board for buying/selling bitcoin or services related to bitcoin in Ukraine and then you will have a more logical reason than comparing it to Russia board or Russia users,

After creating that board, it will take some time to be locked, for example, the MultiBit board was locked after several months of inactivity.

[Coyster]

Even if there is not sufficient activity to support a local sub for Ukraine, I think the circumstances warrant a local sub for Ukraine that is distinct and different from the local sub for Russia.

The above will make clear that Ukraine is recognized by the forum as an independent nation that is separate and distinct from Russia.  

What circumstances exactly, do you mean the war? Yes i understand what you are talking about as every Ukrainian at this point would prolly hold a little bit of recentment towards Russians, but let us be honest, there are quite a lot of Russians who do not support their country's invasion of Ukraine, so we can't really generalize the whole issue.

Having said that, i think the forum actually recognizes Ukraine as being independent, if it didn't would there be a Ukrainian local thread? The thing is, i do not think Theymos would just create a Ukrainian local board cause there is an ongoing altercation between Russians and Ukrainians in the Russian local section, i believe first of all there has to be enough quality activity in the existing Ukrainian thread, then with time the request for a local board can be listened to.

Imagine if this local board is created just cause of the present altercation, who is going to stop Russians from posting in the newly created board, or Ukrainians from still posting in the Russian local board, so it really would not solve anything. Mind you that i am not against a Ukrainian local board, all i am saying is that there has to be a good reason backing up this request.

[LTU_btc]

Usually I'm a bit sceptical about adding new local boards, but this time I fully support this request. Yes, you can say that Ukrainian local thread is inactive, but for most of them it was not a problem to post in Russian board. Now things had changed. And even if war will end soon, I doubt that Ukrainians and Russians will be able to talk together like nothing didn't happened.

Imagine if this local board is created just cause of the present altercation, who is going to stop Russians from posting in the newly created board, or Ukrainians from still posting in the Russian local board, so it really would not solve anything. Mind you that i am not against a Ukrainian local board, all i am saying is that there has to be a good reason backing up this request.

Language barrier will stop them. Very few Russians known Ukrainian language, so they won't be able to post in Ukrainian board. There is no rule which would stop Ukrainians posting in Russian board, but I believe that not many would continue to do it after getting their own board, unless they don't know Ukrainian language.
BTW I remember there was request for Ukrainian board very long time before war.

[acroman08]

Why that maniac is so happy about this war?

because there are people who support the war and thinks that their enemy deserves what they get.

P.S: Please create Ukrainian locale. The situation between Ua and Ru users in russial locale board is getting worse day by day.

just like what some members have suggested why not go to the local Ukrainian thread for a moment if the situation between the Russians and the Ukrainian on the Russian local board is getting worse while you guys continue to ask for your own local board?

[Pmalek]

just like what some members have suggested why not go to the local Ukrainian thread for a moment if the situation between the Russians and the Ukrainian on the Russian local board is getting worse while you guys continue to ask for your own local board?

I just took a look at the Ukrainian local thread and there is very little activity there. The thread is currently 280 pages long. On top of page #279, there is a post from October 17, 2021. If you scroll down from there, you can see that it usually takes days and over a week sometimes between two posts to appear.

We have posts being written on October 17, 19, November 05, 10, 20, December 03, 06, etc. Between 06 and 26 December, not a single post was submitted. Even during this crisis and war, very few posts have been written in March, with the last one on 18 March.

There are other local threads with far more activity who haven't received their own local. I doubt Ukrainian users will get one either.