Bitcoin searches Google Trends 2009

[sherry5997]

Hi everyone,
using Google Trends I searched for the word "Bitcoin" in 2009 to see where it was searched.
https://ibb.co/d6rn2N2

Google Trends: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2009-01-01%202009-12-31&geo=US&q=bitcoin

We have 3 different countries:
-Sweden
-Finland
-United States

The first two countries the searches refer to the first periods of 2009, while if we look at the country "United States" the date refers exactly to Satoshi's first post "22 Nov 2009", we can see as sub-region Arizona.

https://ibb.co/SK357vS

if we filter by city we can see how there is Temple City, the city where Hal Finney lived. it is a small city of 25K people, it cannot be a coincidence. and his first post under his real name in this forum was in 2010. For this Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto.

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[Hamphser]

So how you would totally say something about this stuff.

https://decrypt.co/53727/the-first-bitcoin-transaction-was-sent-to-hal-finney-12-years-ago
The First Bitcoin Transaction Was Sent to Hal Finney 12 Years Ago

So he sent that 10 Bitcoin to himself? 

[sherry5997]

Exactly what he did. If you want to test something, first of all, you try to yourself.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Let me add some more drama to the mystery, in Temple City at that time lived also Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto not only Hal. So who the real Satoshi is will remain mystery but we are getting closer. One thing is for sure, CSW is not Satoshi.

[pooya87]

For this Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto.

ROFL. This was one of the funniest conclusions I've seen so far.
You are basically claiming that the creator of Bitcoin searched for bitcoin to see what it is

Dude, when Satoshi first published the idea about bitcoin there were some people from different parts of the world that read the explanation and some obviously got more curious and performed a search about it on Google.
In other words if anything your post proves that Hal Finney can not be Satoshi since Satoshi won't search for bitcoin, others will.

[sherry5997]

you're right, that narrows it down to the two of them. For me someone so privacy conscious would never present the project with his real name. He was diagnosed with the disease in August 2009 and presented on the forum in November 2009. He had nothing more to lose and it was his motivation, working distracted him. Google doesn't lie and those were the only searches in  Nov 2009 (Temple City & Phoenix). Finally, the date of Satoshi's last posts coincides with Hal's first posts. If you create such a thing, you don't leave the ship.

For this Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto.

ROFL. This was one of the funniest conclusions I've seen so far.
You are basically claiming that the creator of Bitcoin searched for bitcoin to see what it is

Dude, when Satoshi first published the idea about bitcoin there were some people from different parts of the world that read the explanation and some obviously got more curious and performed a search about it on Google.
In other words if anything your post proves that Hal Finney can not be Satoshi since Satoshi won't search for bitcoin, others will.

Before launching a new product, I google it. All the writings published, to appear on Google Trends must have been done different searches, you can look it up. The date exactly coincides with November 22, the day of the first post.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

[pooya87]

Before launching a new product, I google it.

You don't Google the project name, you would google the previous ideas that were pursued on the same topic. For example in case of Bitcoin it would be something like hashcash.
You would only google the name bitcoin if you want to learn about what bitcoin is.

P.S. It is also highly unlikely for Satoshi Nakamoto who is known as someone who has perfectly protected their identity from the start to use a privacy invading tool called Google without "protection".

[sherry5997]

Ok how do you explain to me then that on November 22 2009 the only searches on the term Bitcoin were made by someone in the Phoenix/Temple City?

https://trends.google.com/trends/

[Poker Player]

For this Hal Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto.

ROFL. This was one of the funniest conclusions I've seen so far.
You are basically claiming that the creator of Bitcoin searched for bitcoin to see what it is

I partially agree or partially disagree with you two, it depends on how you want to look at it.

What I believe is that from the fact that someone searched for the term "Bitcoin" in 2009 there, no conclusion can be drawn with certainty.

It is plausible that Satoshi looked up the term Bitcoin for some reason, to see if that word had been used before by someone else for something else, for example, but we can't say with certainty that it was him.

Let me add some more drama to the mystery, in Temple City at that time lived also Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto not only Hal. So who the real Satoshi is will remain mystery but we are getting closer. One thing is for sure, CSW is not Satoshi.

That makes me think it is likely that Satoshi was someone who lived in that area,

[sherry5997]

Yes, exactly. And the other two countries are Finland and Sweden where we know that the source of the leasing server pointed to a small colocation provider in Helsinki, Finland.

Source: https://tokenpocket-gm.medium.com/weve-identified-the-real-satoshi-nakamoto-cf88ba23b11

Hal was not registered on the forum in November 2009, and the date exactly coincides with Satoshi's first post on November 22, 2009. The city is so small that it cannot be a coincidence, it could have been before or after but it is exactly the same day. November 22 2009.


Take a look for yourself on Google Trends, and you'll see it. I would so much like to be wrong so if you have any other opinions I'm glad.

[DdmrDdmr]

Actually, the data points (which are relative values, not absolute value) on the chart pointed to in the OP are weekly data points. The first non-cero data point corresponds to the week that ranges from the 22/11/2009 until the 28/11/2009.

If we further breakdown that week, we get this chart (daily view):
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2009-11-22%202009-11-28&q=bitcoin

(same by USA breakdown):
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2009-11-22%202009-11-28&geo=US&q=bitcoin

The detail shows that there "wasn’t enough data to represent a non-cero" (their words, not mine) value until the 24/11/2009, and then again on the 28/11/2009.

Bear in mind that the data points do not show the number of people that performed a search, nor the number of searches themselves. Rather, it shows (to the point that has been revealed) the number of searches for the sought term as a ratio on the scale on 100, in comparison to the moment that the sought term was most searched for in comparison to all other Google made searched in the given timeframe window and geographical scope.

i.e.
In my above link, the second data point has a value of 100 (27/11/2009). This means that, for the given represented timeframe (22/11/2009..28/11/2009), the 27th was the date on which most searches were made for the term "bitcoin" in relation to all the searches made that day in USA (the geographical region delimited in my link above) -> Thus the 100 reading on the data point.
On the 24/11/2009, the same ratio (searches for "bitcoin" / total searches) was 65% of that on the 28/11/2009 -> thus the 65 reading on that data point.

We cannot infer in any quantative way if it was one person, a group, or any other representation behind those searches (absolute values are not provided as stated, only relative ones).

[sherry5997]

Actually, the data points (which are relative values, not absolute value) on the chart pointed to in the OP are weekly data points. The first non-cero data point corresponds to the week that ranges from the 22/11/2009 until the 28/11/2009.

If we further breakdown that week, we get this chart (daily view):
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2009-11-22%202009-11-28&q=bitcoin

(same by USA breakdown):
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2009-11-22%202009-11-28&geo=US&q=bitcoin

The detail shows that there "wasn’t enough data to represent a non-cero" (their words, not mine) value until the 24/11/2009, and then again on the 28/11/2009.

Bear in mind that the data points do not show the number of people that performed a search, nor the number of searches themselves. Rather, it shows (to the point that has been revealed) the number of searches for the sought term as a ratio on the scale on 100, in comparison to the moment that the sought term was most searched for in comparison to all other Google made searched in the given timeframe window and geographical scope.

i.e.
In my above link, the second data point has a value of 100 (27/11/2009). This means that, for the given represented timeframe (22/11/2009..28/11/2009), the 27th was the date on which most searches were made for the term "bitcoin" in relation to all the searches made that day in USA (the geographical region delimited in my link above) -> Thus the 100 reading on the data point.
On the 24/11/2009, the same ratio (searches for "bitcoin" / total searches) was 65% of that on the 28/11/2009 -> thus the 65 reading on that data point.

We cannot infer in any quantative way if it was one person, a group, or any other representation behind those searches (absolute values are not provided as stated, only relative ones).

Thanks you, it's a good point. In any case, I know how Google Trends works because I use it often, and a single search is not enough but it must be a high search volume trends to appear on it. Phoenix/Temple City were the only cities that week.

Also check this post made by another user, an additional evidence
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5283565.0

[lepbagong]

Finney was born (May 4, 1956 – August 28, 2014) in California, United States. He studied at the California Institute of Technology and graduated in 1979.
worked on making his own games before starting a career at the developer company for PGP Corporation, which sells software called Pretty Good Privacy.

It was at this company that he developed digital money which he named Reusable Proof of Work (RPOW). This RPOW project shows Finney's interest and love for cryptographic payment systems.

in 2008, became one of the first people to know about the Bitcoin announcement. He was very impressed with Bitcoin, and immediately downloaded and ran the Bitcoin software. Finney is allegedly the second person, besides Satoshi, to run and mine Bitcoin. He was also an early bitcoin contributor and received the first bitcoin transaction from bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto.

it could be that what the op said that Finney is a Satoshi is a fact, if we look at the development that took place started by the two of them and there seems to be something that connects to their storyline, the initial giver and recipient of bitcoin.


from several news sources

[sherry5997]

Yes, it was him and there's a lot of evidence. He was a genius, but it's more fascinating to think that he is still a shadowy figure who prefers to remain anonymous.

[pooya87]

Ok how do you explain to me then that on November 22 2009 the only searches on the term Bitcoin were made by someone in the Phoenix/Temple City?

First of all why do you insist there was "someone" searching based on these stats since the chart doesn't include number of searches, instead it shows a percentage-wise interest where 100 is the maximum and could be one search or it could be a million searches.
In fact when you change the stats from US to worldwide the US percentage falls down to third rank and Sweden goes on top.

Secondly by November 22 2009 bitcoin would be already 2 year old (blockchain 1 year old) approximately since it was introduced on 31 October 2008.
If anything a more significant time-frame is the actual early days meaning from 18 August 2008 when the domain name bitcoin.org was registered. And during that time the only search comes from Sweden. And by your logic Satoshi is from Sweden!
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2008-08-18%202009-03-17&q=bitcoin

[sherry5997]

Ok how do you explain to me then that on November 22 2009 the only searches on the term Bitcoin were made by someone in the Phoenix/Temple City?

First of all why do you insist there was "someone" searching based on these stats since the chart doesn't include number of searches, instead it shows a percentage-wise interest where 100 is the maximum and could be one search or it could be a million searches.
In fact when you change the stats from US to worldwide the US percentage falls down to third rank and Sweden goes on top.

Secondly by November 22 2009 bitcoin would be already 2 year old (blockchain 1 year old) approximately since it was introduced on 31 October 2008.
If anything a more significant time-frame is the actual early days meaning from 18 August 2008 when the domain name bitcoin.org was registered. And during that time the only search comes from Sweden. And by your logic Satoshi is from Sweden!
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2008-08-18%202009-03-17&q=bitcoin

You haven't read this article:

Yes, exactly. And the other two countries are Finland and Sweden where we know that the source of the leasing server pointed to a small colocation provider in Helsinki, Finland.

Source: https://tokenpocket-gm.medium.com/weve-identified-the-real-satoshi-nakamoto-cf88ba23b11

[masterrex]

Finney was born (May 4, 1956 – August 28, 2014) in California, United States. He studied at the California Institute of Technology and graduated in 1979.
worked on making his own games before starting a career at the developer company for PGP Corporation, which sells software called Pretty Good Privacy.

It was at this company that he developed digital money which he named Reusable Proof of Work (RPOW). This RPOW project shows Finney's interest and love for cryptographic payment systems.

in 2008, became one of the first people to know about the Bitcoin announcement. He was very impressed with Bitcoin, and immediately downloaded and ran the Bitcoin software. Finney is allegedly the second person, besides Satoshi, to run and mine Bitcoin. He was also an early bitcoin contributor and received the first bitcoin transaction from bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto.

it could be that what the op said that Finney is a Satoshi is a fact, if we look at the development that took place started by the two of them and there seems to be something that connects to their storyline, the initial giver and recipient of bitcoin.


from several news sources

It makes sense, but still many of such so-called evidence is not popularly accepted that bitcoin creator "Satoshi Nakamoto" is Hal Finney, but it gives us an idea about who and where is Satoshi Nakamoto came from, Anyway, we are entitled to believe what we think is true so I guess everyone should leave that hanging for a meantime for the sake of better discussion.

[Lucius]

You haven't read this article:

Yes, exactly. And the other two countries are Finland and Sweden where we know that the source of the leasing server pointed to a small colocation provider in Helsinki, Finland.

This article does not provide any evidence, but like hundreds (if not thousands) of others, it tries to use the mystery of the identity of the inventor of Bitcoin to promote a token or app. No one serious will put in their article as one of the candidates the well-known Faketoshi, or some random people who are only Japanese, or of Japanese descent.

Satoshi was (and probably still is) a man of above-average intelligence who planned everything down to the smallest detail and all these clues that various researchers take as some important references are nothing more than false clues.

[rhomelmabini]

Dorian said he was not part of it anymore so he has likely the living one to know who the real one is, I assume. Nick Szabo said it could only be Hal and the real Satoshi can do it - so the point was still to Hal. However, Hal Finney still denies it even in his death in 2014. What if this was all a collaboration of the suspected Satoshis - especially those who know about programming (CSW is an exception)? We may never know that.

[sherry5997]

Check the date of Satoshi's last post with Hal's first on this forum, they almost corresponds. However there is a lot of evidence. But as many said, perhaps it's useless to persist in wanting to discover the truth. I would like to have a guide/mentor and know his true identity.