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March 27, 2022, 11:54:44 PM
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Reading the article, Jake Paul told Dana White that no more excuse and bring it on. Does it mean Jake Paul will fight on the Octagon? He's on a suicidal move here for the sake of money as even McGregor is now aging, he will be pulverized on the octagon.
If Dana White allows we might see Jake Paul coming to the UFC and take on some of the fighters and with the background he have in wrestling he will be not be a total blunder insider the octagon and if he is going after Conor McGregor then he is well aware of the risk and the lack of ground game for Conor McGregor might even make this fight possible and it should be an open weight event Grin.

I agree you cannot learn to fight in the octagon overnight it takes years to understand and become an octagon fighter the worst he can get is getting choked or taking a beating after you are takedown on the floor, you cannot use your boxing skill when you are on the floor and you will have a hard time escaping a submission, you are totally in a new territory, against Connor who is very good in Octagon, you cannot get fast first round because he has many skills when it comes to the octagon.

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March 28, 2022, 11:58:53 AM
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That's the point, why would McGregor even bother fighting Jake Paul in the ring if he has no expertise on it. He's more famous and he shouldn't even bother himself to consider that fight even if we know that McGregor wouldn't say no to a good clean money. He should fight in the octagon professionally like what he used to do.

He may have fought on the ring once and it was against the undefeated Floyd Mayweather and it was clear that fighting in the ring is not for him.

If the price is right, McGregor might be willing again to take the fighting on the boxing ring. Besides, Jake Paul will have to burn fats to catch the required weight. It's hard to lose around 10lbs within just a few months and have to maintain it until the weigh-in. That's the advantage of McGregor as he's not the one who will adjust.

Reading the article, Jake Paul told Dana White that no more excuse and bring it on. Does it mean Jake Paul will fight on the Octagon? He's on a suicidal move here for the sake of money as even McGregor is now aging, he will be pulverized on the octagon.

Well, if the price is right then I don't doubt that McGregor will gladly accept that deal and fight him. But then again, fighting in the ring won't be suitable for him because in the long run his stamina won't catch up and eventually Jake Paul will have that advantage as we know that he'll just stall that time until McGregor is catching up his breath.

Really? Wow, that's interesting! Fighting McGregor on the octagon? That surely is a suicidal move for the sake of good money, I bet he won't go long because McGregor here will knock him out.

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March 29, 2022, 06:49:16 PM
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I'm a bit surprised when I was saw this thread that there is a possibility that McGregor and Jake Paul will fight soon as "the notorious" is eyeing to get a fight soon, so I dig up a little search in the internet about this two and I found this:

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Paul, who has amassed a professional boxing record of 5-0, has long angled for a fight with McGregor and went on to claim he would knock him out.

"I would KO Conor in boxing or MMA. Right hand of God," he said.
Link: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/conor-mcgregor-responds-jake-pauls-26449571

Did literally Jake Paul mean it? That's just a pure suicide especially if the fight will happen in the octagon. Lol Grin

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March 29, 2022, 08:30:29 PM
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Paul, who has amassed a professional boxing record of 5-0, has long angled for a fight with McGregor and went on to claim he would knock him out.

"I would KO Conor in boxing or MMA. Right hand of God," he said.
Link: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/conor-mcgregor-responds-jake-pauls-26449571

Did literally Jake Paul mean it? That's just a pure suicide especially if the fight will happen in the octagon. Lol Grin
Totally massacre i would say if things turns out to be fighting in MMA rule and i dont know on whats up on the mind of Jake Paul on trying out to beat or fight Conor on MMA which we know that on where he's good on.. Ego would really be putting you on danger but for the sake of money or revenue then it turns out that taking a suicide would really be worth.  Cheesy

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March 29, 2022, 09:12:12 PM
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I'm a bit surprised when I was saw this thread that there is a possibility that McGregor and Jake Paul will fight soon as "the notorious" is eyeing to get a fight soon, so I dig up a little search in the internet about this two and I found this:

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Paul, who has amassed a professional boxing record of 5-0, has long angled for a fight with McGregor and went on to claim he would knock him out.

"I would KO Conor in boxing or MMA. Right hand of God," he said.
Link: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/conor-mcgregor-responds-jake-pauls-26449571

Did literally Jake Paul mean it? That's just a pure suicide especially if the fight will happen in the octagon. Lol Grin

Why are you so sure of McGregor's victory in the octagon? Paul is heavier by about 15 kilograms, so it is not known whose advantage will increase if the fight takes place there. Nurmagomedov defeated McGregor due to the greater mass (he record cut weight for weighing and then record gained it before the fight) and everyone saw what an advantage he had. And if I understand correctly, it was about 5-6 kilograms and not about 15.

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March 29, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
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Paul, who has amassed a professional boxing record of 5-0, has long angled for a fight with McGregor and went on to claim he would knock him out.

"I would KO Conor in boxing or MMA. Right hand of God," he said.
Link: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/conor-mcgregor-responds-jake-pauls-26449571

Did literally Jake Paul mean it? That's just a pure suicide especially if the fight will happen in the octagon. Lol Grin
Totally massacre i would say if things turns out to be fighting in MMA rule and i dont know on whats up on the mind of Jake Paul on trying out to beat or fight Conor on MMA which we know that on where he's good on.. Ego would really be putting you on danger but for the sake of money or revenue then it turns out that taking a suicide would really be worth.  Cheesy

Indeed! It would precisely be a massacre or execution if Jake Paul will really fight the Notorious Mcgregor in the octagon where he's the most dominant and the chances of Jake Paul surviving it is literally slim or 0%.

The kid is trying to prove the world that he can pursue and defeat stars in different industries despite his record in professional boxing but he cannot just defeat them that easily especially if he were going to fight them where he has no experience nor talent. Being greedy in money and fame will really put him at danger, it's not totally worth it even if the money is that big if his reputation and health is at risk.

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March 29, 2022, 09:26:11 PM
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I'm a bit surprised when I was saw this thread that there is a possibility that McGregor and Jake Paul will fight soon as "the notorious" is eyeing to get a fight soon, so I dig up a little search in the internet about this two and I found this:

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Paul, who has amassed a professional boxing record of 5-0, has long angled for a fight with McGregor and went on to claim he would knock him out.

"I would KO Conor in boxing or MMA. Right hand of God," he said.
Link: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/conor-mcgregor-responds-jake-pauls-26449571

Did literally Jake Paul mean it? That's just a pure suicide especially if the fight will happen in the octagon. Lol Grin

Why are you so sure of McGregor's victory in the octagon? Paul is heavier by about 15 kilograms, so it is not known whose advantage will increase if the fight takes place there. Nurmagomedov defeated McGregor due to the greater mass (he record cut weight for weighing and then record gained it before the fight) and everyone saw what an advantage he had. And if I understand correctly, it was about 5-6 kilograms and not about 15.

There's an awful lot of skill involved in MMA.  I don't think boxing translates to MMA any better than MMA translates to boxing.  Sure, they're big strong men who can fight in both sports, but they're different sports.  That's why a youtuber is able to knock out professional fighters.  That and Jake chooses opponents who have suffered catastrophic defeats and are well beyond their prime as a result.  McGregor might be out of his prime, but he's still a good fighter.  Jake would have next to no chance in an MMA fight with him.  I think boxing would make a much better fight for them considering McGregor did train for the Mayweather fight, so he wouldn't be as unprepared as Jake's other opponents.

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March 29, 2022, 09:51:29 PM
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The Irish have always had a reputation for being unbeatable boxers.  And Conor McGregor is the best of Irish boxers.  

He is a real boxing fan.  In his youth, he trained 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  McGregor is a master trash talker.  In this he has no equal.  At the same time, he is very agile and his uppercuts are very hard to parry.  

I think Jake Paul will lose against McGregor.  

McGregor is no longer as strong a fighter as he used to be, but he is a better boxer than Paul (IMHO).

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March 30, 2022, 04:04:59 PM
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The Irish have always had a reputation for being unbeatable boxers.  And Conor McGregor is the best of Irish boxers.  

He is a real boxing fan.  In his youth, he trained 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  McGregor is a master trash talker.  In this he has no equal.  At the same time, he is very agile and his uppercuts are very hard to parry.  

I think Jake Paul will lose against McGregor.  

McGregor is no longer as strong a fighter as he used to be, but he is a better boxer than Paul (IMHO).

True, McGregor has good boxing skills, he was able to compete with Mayweather although he loses in the end.
Well, Mayweather and Jake Paul are way different, so I'm thinking maybe McGregor really has a big chance to beat the superstar in the boxing exhibition world.

If the odds are out, please update this thread, I like to evaluate it and I will hope that McGregor will be the underdog.

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March 30, 2022, 05:49:29 PM
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Why are you so sure of McGregor's victory in the octagon? Paul is heavier by about 15 kilograms, so it is not known whose advantage will increase if the fight takes place there. Nurmagomedov defeated McGregor due to the greater mass (he record cut weight for weighing and then record gained it before the fight) and everyone saw what an advantage he had. And if I understand correctly, it was about 5-6 kilograms and not about 15.

There's an awful lot of skill involved in MMA.  I don't think boxing translates to MMA any better than MMA translates to boxing.  Sure, they're big strong men who can fight in both sports, but they're different sports.  That's why a youtuber is able to knock out professional fighters.  That and Jake chooses opponents who have suffered catastrophic defeats and are well beyond their prime as a result.  McGregor might be out of his prime, but he's still a good fighter.  Jake would have next to no chance in an MMA fight with him.  I think boxing would make a much better fight for them considering McGregor did train for the Mayweather fight, so he wouldn't be as unprepared as Jake's other opponents.

Yes, I know from examples how lanky strikers were destroyed without a chance on the ground, for example, Semm Schilt, whose career in mixed martial arts was disgusting, but when he went into kickboxing, he became great there. But these examples are mostly about fighters of the same weight, and we are discussing the option when one fighter significantly exceeds the other in mass. Of course, Connor knows a lot of tricks, but if he can't successfully apply them, then Paul will win simply due to greater physical strength.

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March 30, 2022, 06:17:16 PM
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I'm a bit surprised when I was saw this thread that there is a possibility that McGregor and Jake Paul will fight soon as "the notorious" is eyeing to get a fight soon, so I dig up a little search in the internet about this two and I found this:

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Paul, who has amassed a professional boxing record of 5-0, has long angled for a fight with McGregor and went on to claim he would knock him out.

"I would KO Conor in boxing or MMA. Right hand of God," he said.
Link: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/conor-mcgregor-responds-jake-pauls-26449571

Did literally Jake Paul mean it? That's just a pure suicide especially if the fight will happen in the octagon. Lol Grin

Why are you so sure of McGregor's victory in the octagon? Paul is heavier by about 15 kilograms, so it is not known whose advantage will increase if the fight takes place there. Nurmagomedov defeated McGregor due to the greater mass (he record cut weight for weighing and then record gained it before the fight) and everyone saw what an advantage he had. And if I understand correctly, it was about 5-6 kilograms and not about 15.

Why am I sure of McGregor's victory, Is that really a question? Huh Of course McGregor has the advantage in the octagon than Jake Paul who is a boxer not an MMA fighter and the latter have no experienced in the octagon even if he is heavier by 15 kilograms as you said, let's not forget that the challenger is just new in the boxing industry and here he comes now challenging some lions not just in boxing but in other sport as well.

Mate, you cannot just really compare Khabib to Jake Paul. Is that for real? The kid is nowhere near Khabib's prowess even if let's say he is 15 or 20 kilos heavier and let me tell you again, Jake Paul is not an MMA fighter or even a novice in that sport.

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The Irish have always had a reputation for being unbeatable boxers.  And Conor McGregor is the best of Irish boxers.  

He is a real boxing fan.  In his youth, he trained 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  McGregor is a master trash talker.  In this he has no equal.  At the same time, he is very agile and his uppercuts are very hard to parry.  

I think Jake Paul will lose against McGregor.  

McGregor is no longer as strong a fighter as he used to be, but he is a better boxer than Paul (IMHO).

True, McGregor has good boxing skills, he was able to compete with Mayweather although he loses in the end.
Well, Mayweather and Jake Paul are way different, so I'm thinking maybe McGregor really has a big chance to beat the superstar in the boxing exhibition world.

If the odds are out, please update this thread, I like to evaluate it and I will hope that McGregor will be the underdog.

Both will magnet viewers and that means they will collect a good amount of profits, I'm not sure if they will really go to fight and hurt each other since the fight is purely exhibition, maybe if they will do that it will be a plus and a possible to bring more fight a like. I'm in favor also with Conor. He has a good experienced.

Though in this kind of arena, we can't tell if how fighters will prepare themselves.

If everything is for the money, they don't need any preparation, just fight and whatever may happen they will receive their paychecks.

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March 30, 2022, 06:55:41 PM
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I'm a bit surprised when I was saw this thread that there is a possibility that McGregor and Jake Paul will fight soon as "the notorious" is eyeing to get a fight soon, so I dig up a little search in the internet about this two and I found this:

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Paul, who has amassed a professional boxing record of 5-0, has long angled for a fight with McGregor and went on to claim he would knock him out.

"I would KO Conor in boxing or MMA. Right hand of God," he said.
Link: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/conor-mcgregor-responds-jake-pauls-26449571

Did literally Jake Paul mean it? That's just a pure suicide especially if the fight will happen in the octagon. Lol Grin

Why are you so sure of McGregor's victory in the octagon? Paul is heavier by about 15 kilograms, so it is not known whose advantage will increase if the fight takes place there. Nurmagomedov defeated McGregor due to the greater mass (he record cut weight for weighing and then record gained it before the fight) and everyone saw what an advantage he had. And if I understand correctly, it was about 5-6 kilograms and not about 15.

Why am I sure of McGregor's victory, Is that really a question? Huh Of course McGregor has the advantage in the octagon than Jake Paul who is a boxer not an MMA fighter and the latter have no experienced in the octagon even if he is heavier by 15 kilograms as you said, let's not forget that the challenger is just new in the boxing industry and here he comes now challenging some lions not just in boxing but in other sport as well.

Mate, you cannot just really compare Khabib to Jake Paul. Is that for real? The kid is nowhere near Khabib's prowess even if let's say he is 15 or 20 kilos heavier and let me tell you again, Jake Paul is not an MMA fighter or even a novice in that sport.
Lol Cheesy You guys had me laughing on this one.

Yes, correct! Khabib is incomparable especially if you will just compare him on Jake Paul who have just started his career as a professional boxer  and I also got shocked that Jake Paul is now challenging the Notorious McGregor and him in his own jungle, wow! Seriously, he is just like his older brother, Logan Paul. Even Tyron Woodley could defeat Jake in the octagon, he is just lucky that time because Woodley happened to fight him in the ring otherwise he might get knocked out early if it was in the octagon.

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Paul, who has amassed a professional boxing record of 5-0, has long angled for a fight with McGregor and went on to claim he would knock him out.

"I would KO Conor in boxing or MMA. Right hand of God," he said.
Link: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/conor-mcgregor-responds-jake-pauls-26449571

Did literally Jake Paul mean it? That's just a pure suicide especially if the fight will happen in the octagon. Lol Grin
Totally massacre i would say if things turns out to be fighting in MMA rule and i dont know on whats up on the mind of Jake Paul on trying out to beat or fight Conor on MMA which we know that on where he's good on.. Ego would really be putting you on danger but for the sake of money or revenue then it turns out that taking a suicide would really be worth.  Cheesy

Indeed! It would precisely be a massacre or execution if Jake Paul will really fight the Notorious Mcgregor in the octagon where he's the most dominant and the chances of Jake Paul surviving it is literally slim or 0%.

The kid is trying to prove the world that he can pursue and defeat stars in different industries despite his record in professional boxing but he cannot just defeat them that easily especially if he were going to fight them where he has no experience nor talent. Being greedy in money and fame will really put him at danger, it's not totally worth it even if the money is that big if his reputation and health is at risk.
Definitely 0% winning rate on McGregors specialty sport which it would really be a total beat up and just like others been saying that you would re ally be making yourself looking like a clown which do fight a monster inside of the ring.

They would less care on what others been looking or saying about such decision as long they could make money and putting their health at risk then they would definitely do it as long they
could pull some fight against those known or popular atheletes/fighters.

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March 30, 2022, 09:18:59 PM
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Why are you so sure of McGregor's victory in the octagon? Paul is heavier by about 15 kilograms, so it is not known whose advantage will increase if the fight takes place there. Nurmagomedov defeated McGregor due to the greater mass (he record cut weight for weighing and then record gained it before the fight) and everyone saw what an advantage he had. And if I understand correctly, it was about 5-6 kilograms and not about 15.

Why am I sure of McGregor's victory, Is that really a question? Huh Of course McGregor has the advantage in the octagon than Jake Paul who is a boxer not an MMA fighter and the latter have no experienced in the octagon even if he is heavier by 15 kilograms as you said, let's not forget that the challenger is just new in the boxing industry and here he comes now challenging some lions not just in boxing but in other sport as well.

Mate, you cannot just really compare Khabib to Jake Paul. Is that for real? The kid is nowhere near Khabib's prowess even if let's say he is 15 or 20 kilos heavier and let me tell you again, Jake Paul is not an MMA fighter or even a novice in that sport.

Of course I can  Grin To me, Khabib is a shitty fighter, a great wrestler and a cheater (weight manipulation). At the same time, he is better than Paul in all respects, there are no questions. But the advantage in weight, in my opinion, is close to critical. These are not heavyweights where Emelianenko destroyed opponents who were much larger than him, this is a weight category where 15 kilograms are of great importance. I can be wrong, but in this case, tell me, in your opinion, if you take any "newbie" against McGregor, then starting from what difference in weight will McGregor have no chance (or will they be equal) 20 kg? 40? ...?

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Now it's getting a bit ridiculous between Jake Paul and Conor Mcgregor. Jake Paul says now he will knock out Conor in the first round. That's crazy to be honest. First he wants to lose weight to make the fight more fair, then he said he wants to fight in the Octagon under UFC rules and now a fight that is over in one round. Jake Paul might be younger and more fit, but Conor McGregor has all the MMA experience. The fight will definitely go longer than one round. Can't wait for it to be finally happening, going to be a very big event.

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Of course I can  Grin To me, Khabib is a shitty fighter, a great wrestler and a cheater (weight manipulation). At the same time, he is better than Paul in all respects, there are no questions. But the advantage in weight, in my opinion, is close to critical. These are not heavyweights where Emelianenko destroyed opponents who were much larger than him, this is a weight category where 15 kilograms are of great importance. I can be wrong, but in this case, tell me, in your opinion, if you take any "newbie" against McGregor, then starting from what difference in weight will McGregor have no chance (or will they be equal) 20 kg? 40? ...?
Not sure how you can say hes bad. Khabib was out striking Mcgregor for much of the fight before ultimately taking him down, and choking him out. Khabib also has done well against Justin on the feet. He definitely isn't the one trick pony that a lot of people think he is. Although, I still don't think Paul is on the level of Khabib even on the feet, so Mcgregor probably finds it easy.

The only issue I have is Conor likes to go 100mph in the first round, and that doesn't really work with bigger gloves since opponents can  take more shots without going down. Then you usually find Conor struggles due to him emptying his gas tank way too early.

I have no doubt that if this fight did happen, Jake would evade for the first few rounds, and wait for Conor to tire, which then would likely be a boring fight, with a Jake decision.
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Of course I can  Grin To me, Khabib is a shitty fighter, a great wrestler and a cheater (weight manipulation). At the same time, he is better than Paul in all respects, there are no questions. But the advantage in weight, in my opinion, is close to critical. These are not heavyweights where Emelianenko destroyed opponents who were much larger than him, this is a weight category where 15 kilograms are of great importance. I can be wrong, but in this case, tell me, in your opinion, if you take any "newbie" against McGregor, then starting from what difference in weight will McGregor have no chance (or will they be equal) 20 kg? 40? ...?
Not sure how you can say hes bad. Khabib was out striking Mcgregor for much of the fight before ultimately taking him down, and choking him out. Khabib also has done well against Justin on the feet. He definitely isn't the one trick pony that a lot of people think he is. Although, I still don't think Paul is on the level of Khabib even on the feet, so Mcgregor probably finds it easy.

The only issue I have is Conor likes to go 100mph in the first round, and that doesn't really work with bigger gloves since opponents can  take more shots without going down. Then you usually find Conor struggles due to him emptying his gas tank way too early.

I have no doubt that if this fight did happen, Jake would evade for the first few rounds, and wait for Conor to tire, which then would likely be a boring fight, with a Jake decision.

One reason is enough: he is a cheater. His main advantage is that he took extreme risks when manipulating weight. In addition, he is a one-sided fighter - try to remember his epic victories in the stand? Or just any epic wins? All his fights are exhausting the opponent on the ground due to the weight advantage (well, yes Khabib is a good wrestler). If you want to see Khabib's "greatness" you need to watch his fight with Gleison Tibau - this is a similar cheater who took extreme risks when manipulating his weight. This was his first opponent with a similar weight and Khabib barely defeated him, and when he was declared the winner, he burst into tears like a child.

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March 31, 2022, 11:20:05 PM
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Now it's getting a bit ridiculous between Jake Paul and Conor Mcgregor. Jake Paul says now he will knock out Conor in the first round. That's crazy to be honest. First he wants to lose weight to make the fight more fair, then he said he wants to fight in the Octagon under UFC rules and now a fight that is over in one round. Jake Paul might be younger and more fit, but Conor McGregor has all the MMA experience. The fight will definitely go longer than one round. Can't wait for it to be finally happening, going to be a very big event.

https://www.marca.com/en/ufc/2022/03/26/623f5b7922601daa3b8b457f.html

That's just to hype the fight. Losing weight by about 10lbs just to meet Conor's weight is pretty difficult to do. He said that they will do it in Octagon? He is totally out of his mind if he thinks he can win against Conor in the Octagon for just 1st round after doing some intense training for the weight loss. Even he is younger and more fit, no person is an excuse for the effect of losing weight within just a set period for the purpose of the fight.

In boxing, that's what Pacquiao got the advantage. In his rising days, most boxers want a piece of Pacquiao but they need to go down in his weight class to make that possible resulting in fatigue and less stamina on the day of the fight.
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March 31, 2022, 11:59:46 PM
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Now it's getting a bit ridiculous between Jake Paul and Conor Mcgregor. Jake Paul says now he will knock out Conor in the first round. That's crazy to be honest. First he wants to lose weight to make the fight more fair, then he said he wants to fight in the Octagon under UFC rules and now a fight that is over in one round. Jake Paul might be younger and more fit, but Conor McGregor has all the MMA experience. The fight will definitely go longer than one round. Can't wait for it to be finally happening, going to be a very big event.

https://www.marca.com/en/ufc/2022/03/26/623f5b7922601daa3b8b457f.html

That's just to hype the fight. Losing weight by about 10lbs just to meet Conor's weight is pretty difficult to do. He said that they will do it in Octagon? He is totally out of his mind if he thinks he can win against Conor in the Octagon for just 1st round after doing some intense training for the weight loss. Even he is younger and more fit, no person is an excuse for the effect of losing weight within just a set period for the purpose of the fight.

In boxing, that's what Pacquiao got the advantage. In his rising days, most boxers want a piece of Pacquiao but they need to go down in his weight class to make that possible resulting in fatigue and less stamina on the day of the fight.
One of the hardest thing is to have some weightloss which would really be a challenge if you do really tend to hit a specific number and its true that 10lbs isnt something that you could just able to decrease in a short time.
Fighting him in Octagon? This is something that you called a massacre.  Cool .Being confident and claiming out things just do make you look dumb but well if money is involved then
he would not care at all.

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