Huge bounty is placed on Russians politicians crypto info

[DrBeer]

I wasn't the first to start talking about the army. Let's close the theme with the armies.

For example, a pensioner with a pension of 9600 rubles was considered poor, his pension was indexed and it increased by 500 rubles, now he is no longer poor according to statistics.
But these data are not related to real income.
I live in Russia, I go to the store every day, I know the number of people in the region and, in my opinion, it coincides with the data on the population of Rosstat.

Write the correct data for the Novosibirsk region.

If this is a matter of principle, I can try to make an estimate of the real population for the given region, but I will need time. Therefore, I accept the challenge, but I take a break. Then I will have a counter question You, as a resident of Russia, will not deny that quite recently (December 2021), due to "not very pleasant statistics", the head of the state statistical office (Rossstat) was replaced in Russia. The reason for the dismissal of Pavel Smelov is "The deputy head of Rosstat was fired, who said that over 100% of Russians took part in the census" ... And what is surprising - after a new, "correct head" was appointed, all state statistics unexpectedly began to correspond " indicators declared by the president and heads of ministries" Can you give a LOGICAL explanation for such an event? And now, while working on the task you have set for me, I will also show arithmetic discrepancies in state statistics, based on official data. And I will also ask you to explain why in Russian statistics 2 + 2 = or 3 or 7, depending on the situation?

You are Russian, why write so much shit about your native country?

Yes, I am an ethnic Russian, a citizen of Ukraine. But my origin and nationality will never be a reason to justify the crimes, or conceal the crimes of the country where I was born. I am interested in the truth as such and not with regard to what my nationality is, where I was born and my other preferences.

Tell me - if your father or brother rapes and kills a defenseless girl - will you also shield him and justify because he is your father or brother? For us - the truth is above personal interests, for you - personal interests or habits or worship of power - this is a reason to justify any crime! This is one of our key differences....

[Bushdark]

Yes, I am an ethnic Russian, a citizen of Ukraine. But my origin and nationality will never be a reason to justify the crimes, or conceal the crimes of the country where I was born. I am interested in the truth as such and not with regard to what my nationality is, where I was born and my other preferences.

This is absolutely obvious and we all know the truth behind the Russian soldiers. Fighting war is not a crime but attacking innocent people who are protected by international law is a juvenile act which I will never support.

Tell me - if your father or brother rapes and kills a defenseless girl - will you also shield him and justify because he is your father or brother? For us - the truth is above personal interests, for you - personal interests or habits or worship of power - this is a reason to justify any crime! This is one of our key differences....

Justice does not know brother or sister, the truth has to be told. Let's tag black as black and white as white.

[zasad@]

I wasn't the first to start talking about the army. Let's close the theme with the armies.

For example, a pensioner with a pension of 9600 rubles was considered poor, his pension was indexed and it increased by 500 rubles, now he is no longer poor according to statistics.
But these data are not related to real income.
I live in Russia, I go to the store every day, I know the number of people in the region and, in my opinion, it coincides with the data on the population of Rosstat.

Write the correct data for the Novosibirsk region.

If this is a matter of principle, I can try to make an estimate of the real population for the given region, but I will need time. Therefore, I accept the challenge, but I take a break. Then I will have a counter question You, as a resident of Russia, will not deny that quite recently (December 2021), due to "not very pleasant statistics", the head of the state statistical office (Rossstat) was replaced in Russia. The reason for the dismissal of Pavel Smelov is "The deputy head of Rosstat was fired, who said that over 100% of Russians took part in the census" ... And what is surprising - after a new, "correct head" was appointed, all state statistics unexpectedly began to correspond " indicators declared by the president and heads of ministries" Can you give a LOGICAL explanation for such an event? And now, while working on the task you have set for me, I will also show arithmetic discrepancies in state statistics, based on official data. And I will also ask you to explain why in Russian statistics 2 + 2 = or 3 or 7, depending on the situation?

You are Russian, why write so much shit about your native country?

Yes, I am an ethnic Russian, a citizen of Ukraine. But my origin and nationality will never be a reason to justify the crimes, or conceal the crimes of the country where I was born. I am interested in the truth as such and not with regard to what my nationality is, where I was born and my other preferences.

Tell me - if your father or brother rapes and kills a defenseless girl - will you also shield him and justify because he is your father or brother? For us - the truth is above personal interests, for you - personal interests or habits or worship of power - this is a reason to justify any crime! This is one of our key differences....

I don't know what's going on in Rosstat, and I'm not interested. If we are talking about election statistics, then errors are possible there, and this is difficult to verify.
But population statistics are very difficult to deceive, because these are government programs, pensions, quotas, and so on.
All data of residents are duplicated in various databases and therefore it is impossible to add non-existent 40 million population.

About justice.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/03/04/us-weapons-ukraine/
Do you really think that those billions of dollars that the United States gives Ukraine are intended for your happiness?
Ukraine is suffering, while other countries are enriching themselves.

[DrBeer]

Yes, I am an ethnic Russian, a citizen of Ukraine. But my origin and nationality will never be a reason to justify the crimes, or conceal the crimes of the country where I was born. I am interested in the truth as such and not with regard to what my nationality is, where I was born and my other preferences.

This is absolutely obvious and we all know the truth behind the Russian soldiers. Fighting war is not a crime but attacking innocent people who are protected by international law is a juvenile act which I will never support.

Tell me - if your father or brother rapes and kills a defenseless girl - will you also shield him and justify because he is your father or brother? For us - the truth is above personal interests, for you - personal interests or habits or worship of power - this is a reason to justify any crime! This is one of our key differences....

Justice does not know brother or sister, the truth has to be told. Let's tag black as black and white as white.

1. No, you don't know the whole truth about Russian soldiers and the Russian army yet. This is an army of cowardly, vile, murderers, rapists, marauders, thieves. No, these are not my "nervous" conclusions, this is a statement of facts. You probably never heard about their crimes in Ichkeria, Moldova, Azerbaijan, Georgia?? There, the Russian army "fought" in the same way! If you attack, then only on obviously weaker ones. If you "win" - then through terror over the local, unarmed population! But in those cases, Russia managed to cover up crimes and prevent the dissemination of information. Today, technologies allow almost everyone to record such crimes, plus new technologies for collecting information have appeared. Only thanks to this - the crimes of Russian sadists became known to a wide audience.
I can prepare a gallery with photos from our cities, but I don’t think that everyone’s psyche can normally accept this ... Killed old people, mutilated pregnant women, underage girls raped with special sadism, mass executions of civilians, a huge number of corpses with signs of terrible torture - this is all the "army of Russia" ...


2. Justice and truth. These are the entities that the supporters of the "Russian world" are madly afraid of. That is why their entire history and policy is based on a total, systemic lie. And they all lie there, lie with or without reason, lie from childhood to old age. Lying just for the sake of lying

[DrBeer]

....
I don't know what's going on in Rosstat, and I'm not interested. If we are talking about election statistics, then errors are possible there, and this is difficult to verify.
But population statistics are very difficult to deceive, because these are government programs, pensions, quotas, and so on.
All data of residents are duplicated in various databases and therefore it is impossible to add non-existent 40 million population.

About justice.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/03/04/us-weapons-ukraine/
Do you really think that those billions of dollars that the United States gives Ukraine are intended for your happiness?
Ukraine is suffering, while other countries are enriching themselves.

I pause with the answers to your questions. There will be a pause until I get at least some intelligible answers from you. Let me explain - I have been giving reasoned explanations and answering your questions for quite some time. I also post mine. But there are no answers to them, but only new questions, with an attempt to avoid answers. So there is no dialogue. If you really have a reasoned point of view and want to have a dialogue - I'm waiting for your answers. Otherwise, I consider our dialogue unacceptable. I still hope for your understanding and honesty....

[Mate2237]

Russia is one of the world power concerning on nuclear weapons (technology) so fighting with Russia is like committing suicide. I understand Ukraine are fighting for their right but the alternative they are seeking for would found at the beginning of the war. Now the has affected many parts of the world including Europe.

[Die_empty]

The government of Ukraine is seeking alternative ways to stave off the Russian invasion of their country
Wars can be fought on many fronts, as few stones are typically left unturned when seeking ways to gain the upper hand. Ukraine is showing ingenuity in that regards, as they are fighting against their recent unprovoked invasion by Russia through traditional military methods and also by looking to cripple Russian political leaders by actively seeking information about any cryptocurrency wallets they may own.

Bitcoin stands for privacy and decentralization, hence the Ukrainian government would find it very difficult to achieve this aim. Crypto exchange companies must obey their confidentially policy, therefore they might not grant the request to unveil the identity of their clients. And most of these Russian leaders are not so dumb to use exchange companies that cannot be trusted.

[AmoreJaz]

The government of Ukraine is seeking alternative ways to stave off the Russian invasion of their country
Wars can be fought on many fronts, as few stones are typically left unturned when seeking ways to gain the upper hand. Ukraine is showing ingenuity in that regards, as they are fighting against their recent unprovoked invasion by Russia through traditional military methods and also by looking to cripple Russian political leaders by actively seeking information about any cryptocurrency wallets they may own.

Bitcoin stands for privacy and decentralization, hence the Ukrainian government would find it very difficult to achieve this aim. Crypto exchange companies must obey their confidentially policy, therefore they might not grant the request to unveil the identity of their clients. And most of these Russian leaders are not so dumb to use exchange companies that cannot be trusted.

before they can uncover those identities, these Russians already got their funds and secure it somewhere else. i don't think they will indeed put their wealth into something unreliable. and besides they have other people that will take care of their financials. most of them i believe won't be using their name to keep their riches.

[uneng]

The measure proposed by ukrainian government can lead only to moral consequences, what means people transacting with russian addresses will be seen in a negative way and criticized by common reason in the world. Some of them might become ashamed for this reason.

Anyway, it won't prevent them from dealing with russians through cryptocurrency and won't cut russians' income at all. Actually, most people in the world are hardly ashamed for the wrong things they do.

[so98nn]

One of the ways one can easily win a war like this is to:
1. Block the route of their entrance
2. Cut the means of ammunition supply
3. Block the means to the financial assets
4. Cut the means to their access to food and water supply.

War is a fight between life or death, win or loss, no one takes it likely with the other by all means. i just wish this menace end soon.

Do you really really think that those ways will be easy enough to implement? Let me take you to the history of humanity! There was literally nothing around us and humans were able to create, fund, research which changed the course of humanity. They added enormous weapons with the available resources and knowledge which was way way poor as compared to what we posses.

In the world where you can learn how to create bombs through Internet and order tank from Dark web do you really think blocking the routes, financial assets, food can really work the math?

This is crazy world, they have money, they have resources and knowledge; im sure they can do miracles.

[Kakmakr]

The Ukranians are grasping at straws here, because that information is useless without the access to the Private keys. (If there intend is to get their hands on those coins)

They are also going up against some of the strongest hackers in the world, because the Russian hackers are seen as some of the best hackers on this planet. I feel so sorry for them, because it is a David vs Goliath fight for their country... and the other strong countries are spectators in this fight.  

[crwth]

Once they find the information about it, what will they do next? We all know it's decentralized and will be challenging to follow if they know what they are doing. But if this would help the situation, why not?

[jostorres]

The Ukranians are grasping at straws here, because that information is useless without the access to the Private keys. (If there intend is to get their hands on those coins)

They are also going up against some of the strongest hackers in the world, because the Russian hackers are seen as some of the best hackers on this planet. I feel so sorry for them, because it is a David vs Goliath fight for their country... and the other strong countries are spectators in this fight.  

Maybe it is useless if the info is from a common person but we are talking about politicians here. We all know that a politician can involved in corruption and they can use crypto to make their shady acts more discreet. I think this is what they are trying to look for.

Those politicians may ask a help for the best hackers in their country but Ukraine are also aware with it, this is why they are also asking for a help of finding those addresses if ever there are, in return for a nice reward. They don't want private keys along with that addresses because they are not going to steal the assets inside of those wallet. That's not a typical act that will be doing by Ukraine. We know them as a good guy and Russian are the ones that is bad as they bully Ukraine.

[Ozero]

Firstly, OP in his link to the text pointed out that Mikhail Fedorov is the Prime Minister of Ukraine and this is not entirely accurate. Fedorov has been the Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine and the Minister of Digital Transformation of Ukraine since August 2019.

Here, many raise the question of what Ukraine will do with the cryptocurrency wallets of Russian politicians if their public address is known and whether it will apply to exchanges with a request to block the accounts of these Russian politicians. I do not think that Ukraine will do so. Now Ukraine is supported by almost the entire civilized world. Each state on whose territory a cryptocurrency exchange is registered can instruct  to help Ukraine in this regard, and the exchanges will be forced to do so. Another question is how Ukraine will be able to convince itself and how will it convince others that these wallets belong to Russian politicians?

[Gyfts]

Each state on whose territory a cryptocurrency exchange is registered can instruct  to help Ukraine in this regard, and the exchanges will be forced to do so. Another question is how Ukraine will be able to convince itself and how will it convince others that these wallets belong to Russian politicians?

That's what the bounty's for. Ukraine presumably is not going to offer funds for worthless information that's unverifiable. Russians are already having their assets seized but I have not inquired as to how Ukraine plans to seize crypto wallets unless they're tied to exchanges or other centralized banking platforms. It's not good for crypto exchanges to be attaching themselves as the moral arbiters, but perhaps it's their fault if they choose to keep funds on centralized platforms. Tough luck.

[Argoo]

Each state on whose territory a cryptocurrency exchange is registered can instruct  to help Ukraine in this regard, and the exchanges will be forced to do so. Another question is how Ukraine will be able to convince itself and how will it convince others that these wallets belong to Russian politicians?

That's what the bounty's for. Ukraine presumably is not going to offer funds for worthless information that's unverifiable. Russians are already having their assets seized but I have not inquired as to how Ukraine plans to seize crypto wallets unless they're tied to exchanges or other centralized banking platforms. It's not good for crypto exchanges to be attaching themselves as the moral arbiters, but perhaps it's their fault if they choose to keep funds on centralized platforms. Tough luck.

In any case, Ukraine is trying to do everything possible to punish the aggressor by any means. This should be done at least so that the citizens of the country, whose leaders will try to solve problems with other states by force in the future, understand that they will not be able to dissociate themselves from their leaders and that all citizens of this country will be responsible for their actions. This is very important, because some raise the issue that some Russians do not support the war and therefore it is impossible to punish everyone indiscriminately. All citizens of Russia are more to blame than those Ukrainians who have been under constant bombardment and artillery and rocket attacks all over Ukraine for the sixth month.

[eaLiTy]

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Ukraine is showing ingenuity in that regards, as they are fighting against their recent unprovoked invasion by Russia through traditional military methods and also by looking to cripple Russian political leaders by actively seeking information about any cryptocurrency wallets they may own.

Reward looks good to cripple Russian Political leaders, but if they are doing anything of that sort they should have done without announcing them. Russia is known to carry on these hacks and the rumour is that hackers have political support to carry on attack against other countries and will never accept that they have done them and that is what any digital espionage should be and not by announcing them in public.

What happens if Russia does the same to Ukraine before they even get someone taking the bounty  .

[dothebeats]

Not a smart move making it public TBH. Before they know it, these Ukrainian hackers could be a target of counter hacks, too. They will be done for before they can make some of the Russian politician's lives hard, or even make a threat against them. Anyways, it's a matter of time before these kinds of things are announced to the public. Ukraine wants to win this war at any costs and they are now resorting to this kind of tactic. Should they get a lot of information on the enemy's side, this will just show that even the Russian high command is scared of the falling Ruble.

[DrBeer]

Firstly, OP in his link to the text pointed out that Mikhail Fedorov is the Prime Minister of Ukraine and this is not entirely accurate. Fedorov has been the Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine and the Minister of Digital Transformation of Ukraine since August 2019.

Here, many raise the question of what Ukraine will do with the cryptocurrency wallets of Russian politicians if their public address is known and whether it will apply to exchanges with a request to block the accounts of these Russian politicians. I do not think that Ukraine will do so. Now Ukraine is supported by almost the entire civilized world. Each state on whose territory a cryptocurrency exchange is registered can instruct  to help Ukraine in this regard, and the exchanges will be forced to do so. Another question is how Ukraine will be able to convince itself and how will it convince others that these wallets belong to Russian politicians?

1. If you do nothing at all, then nothing is guaranteed to work!
2. The reward for INFORMATION suggests that there are arguments and evidence that this "set of letters and numbers" really belongs to one of the Russian terrorists. Having an evidence base, it is not difficult to convince exchanges to adhere to sanctions trends, and help stop the financing of terrorists, blocking access to wallets and freezing funds, until a decision, for example, by an international court. This money may become part of the reparations that Russia will be forced to pay to Ukraine.

[DrBeer]

The government of Ukraine is seeking alternative ways to stave off the Russian invasion of their country
Wars can be fought on many fronts, as few stones are typically left unturned when seeking ways to gain the upper hand. Ukraine is showing ingenuity in that regards, as they are fighting against their recent unprovoked invasion by Russia through traditional military methods and also by looking to cripple Russian political leaders by actively seeking information about any cryptocurrency wallets they may own.

On Saturday, Ukrainian Prime Minister Mykhailo Federov tweeted from his official account that “generous” rewards were being made available to anyone who might be able to pass along information about crypto wallets belonging to Russian and Belarusian politicians. This information has also reportedly been shared in online hacker forums. https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1497534656786403332?t=5AYknmu0TsZeEXJh-_aNHw&s=19

Federov also indicated that Ukraine is building an “IT army.” Combating enemies through digital assets and online means has long been a strategy of Russia and the Ukrainian hope is that at least in some small measure it can be turned around on them. https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1497642156076511233?t=RutLnrHoqt1BPptcS2x56Q&s=19 The Ukrainian attempt at going after Russian politicians’ crypto assets is being managed by lawyer Artem Afian. He indicated that the rewards are being funded by donations being collected from private parties and not the Ukrainian government. Although he did not say how much has been raised, he did indicate donations have been coming in mainly in the form of Ethereum, followed by Bitcoin and a variety of other coins. https://medium.com/coinmonks/ukrainian-government-places-bounty-on-russian-politicos-crypto-info-87b746d7c23b

Russian are good in hacking too, and they (Ukranians) might just be backfired by their own thoughts knowing that they are planning something like this. What if the Russians pretend to be an intel but in reality they are just giving wrong info. They could be giving those rewards to their enemies, it should be discreet. A mission like this should be a top secret and not known to the public.

"Russian hackers" are as best in the world as "the Russian army is the second in the world in terms of power"
The only thing they differ in is the lack of moral standards. I am sure they will not stop if they are given the task of "transferring the nuclear reactor of the XXX nuclear power plant to an unstable state" they will try to do this without much hesitation, since human life in Russia is the cheapest commodity. I would even say - worthless. Similarly, their army - they can only fight against the elderly and women, rape, rob the unarmed ... But as soon as they meet an armed enemy ready to fight back - they run away in hysterics or die. Moreover, Russia refuses to take their corpses "so as not to spoil the statistics"