Russia wants to build a new world order with China

[stompix]

There are relatively few Chinese in Russia just because they don't like cold weather and prefer a warmer climate.

Muahahaha, look where the real nazis are.
So, you think Chinese people are some fire people from the fire nation in Avatar that don't like cold or disintegrate at dusk?
I've never heard anything so stupid in my life, what's next, you're going to tell me that there are no black men in Canada or Alaska, because black people turn to popsicles in winter?

Let me clear some things for you, you little racist Putin:
- Canada has 1.6 million people of Chinese origin
- Harbin is home to about 10 million Chinese citizens alone, that's 1/3, of the population of Siberia
- here is a graphic on the temperatures in the above-mentioned cities and others
- as you can see there are 10 million people in that city alone and 30 million in the province that don't mind far colder weather than you have in Moscow or Vladivostok



Not a surprise you're not understanding while the whole world is shunning you when you come up with such nonsense.
Oh, btw, how come Russian people are living in Brazil or Israel, don't they melt?
Do Australians have to wear weights on their feet because if they leave the southern hemisphere they would be walking with their heads down?

[Mometaskers]

Well time can only tell if those rumors about Russia and China endorsing a return to gold standard or something similar would come to fruition. What's sure is that Russia would definitely be the junior partner in this relationship if they ever push for it. They don't exactly have a strong economy to begin with.

[RealMalatesta]

Could we imagine a few years ago what we see today? It is profitable for any country in the world to sell their goods for their own currency. This saves a lot of money and contributes to the development of the country as a whole. I think that in the near future, it is clear that there will be four major powers - the USA, China, Russia and India. The rest of the countries will have to join them and be under their protection. Each group will have its own system of monetary relations and the order of interaction between countries.

I would have to say that you could never leave Europe out of this. They are not one nation but they do act as if they are one nation and they are already a super power and I do not think that we are going to see them start doing badly.

We will have Europe, the USA, China, Russia and India at the same time, we already have china and the USA as the world powers right now, Europe used to be considered as a world power but not so much right now after their sanctions to Russia did absolutely nothing and turns out they needed Russia more than Russia needed them. This gave Russia a new founded power and they will abuse this until there is nothing left to abuse.

[retreat]

Well time can only tell if those rumors about Russia and China endorsing a return to gold standard or something similar would come to fruition. What's sure is that Russia would definitely be the junior partner in this relationship if they ever push for it. They don't exactly have a strong economy to begin with.

I don't really agree with you, who say Russia doesn't have a strong enough economy. in times of war still raging like now, it has been seen that russia + china has become a strong (economic and war) power. China and Russia have almost the same basic nationalities and both don't like the US and they have a strong motivation to want to drop the dominance of the US dollar.

[Fortify]

A new economic system is coming to the world and that system will not be dominated by the West. Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev (former Russian president) said in an interview with Russian media yesterday.

Medvedev said: "Hellish sanctions imposed on Russia by the United States, the EU, and their allies in the Ukraine conflict have failed to cripple Russia. Now, these sanctions are coming back to the West.

"As the West continues its futile efforts to corner Russia, the world is slowly moving towards a new global economic relationship. We are moving towards improving the financial system ', he added.

"Confidence in the reserve currency is fading like a morning mist and the prospect of the dollar and the euro leaving does not seem unrealistic now," Medvedev said.

High inflation rates weaken USD dominance for sure but are it really possible to replace USD as a reserve currency or the USA will allow that so easily? The era of regional currency is coming?

The thing with heavily centralized organizations is the can often appear strong, they may even be strong, during times of relative peace and prosperity. However they are often very inflexible societies built around certain hierarchies which often result in nepotism. There is less and less opportunity for the brightest people to move up the ranks, as they are sullied by corruption and bureaucracy that lays around the bottom level. Many people are afraid to speak out, which can stifle sensible ideas which advance the world, they just sit in the grind. However free societies are often much more dynamic and able to solve problems because people are less afraid of speaking the truth.

[Sithara007]

However, they have already done so. China is a difficult ally because it puts its national interests above all else and cherishes plans for the leading role of the Middle Kingdom in the world. The Chinese do not assimilate with the locals, and when the Chinese come to any city, a Chinatown appears in the city. There are relatively few Chinese in Russia just because they don't like cold weather and prefer a warmer climate. Therefore, China's interests in Russia are predominantly resource-oriented. But since resources in Russia are in great abundance, relations between Russia and China are now mutually beneficial - therefore the alliance exists.

China account for around 1/5th of the global population, but in terms of surface area, they account for only around 1/16th of the global total. So naturally, the Chinese appetite for natural resources can't be solely met from within it's borders. In case of Russia, it is the reverse situation. The population is 1/10th of that of China, and the surface area is around 2x larger. So that makes these two countries natural trade partners. But as you said, the dominating attitude of the Chinese can create issues in the long term.

[Wong Gendheng]

This is a good idea to create global competition, even many experts believe Russia china vs europe USA was the beginning of the cold war and then world war 3, but I hope many countries can refrain from war and always discuss to be able to resolve the problem, because if it happens war and tension is certainly more destruction and destruction of the world.

[DrBeer]

How I like it - how selflessly the supporters of the union of "great Russia" and "insidious China" are engaged in neuromasturbation, suggesting to themselves that China, for which Russia is a raw material appendage, and still the holder of China's historical territories, is more important than the developed West!
West - due to which, in fact, the Chinese economy lives!
In terms of shares, economic indicators show that China's profit from relations with Russia is a turnover commensurate, if not with an error, then in no way affecting trade with the West. One word looks comical, illogical, and stupid

[Sithara007]

How I like it - how selflessly the supporters of the union of "great Russia" and "insidious China" are engaged in neuromasturbation, suggesting to themselves that China, for which Russia is a raw material appendage, and still the holder of China's historical territories, is more important than the developed West!
West - due to which, in fact, the Chinese economy lives!
In terms of shares, economic indicators show that China's profit from relations with Russia is a turnover commensurate, if not with an error, then in no way affecting trade with the West. One word looks comical, illogical, and stupid

Don't underestimate China. In the near future, the Chinese GDP will overtake that of the United States. China may be dependent on the West for exporting finished goods. But at the same time, can the West survive without imports from China? The same goes with Russia as well. Russia gets a lot of it's revenue from exports of oil, gas and metals to the West. But at the same time, can the West replace all these imports from Russia? Already the western citizens are reeling from sky high inflation and in many of the countries there are popular protests.

[19Nov16]

Russia's plan with China of course is an idea that can make the USA and Europe feel competitive, if this plan happens there will be a cold war like the early 80's so that war can happen at any time, of course I hope that Russia and China can learn from the past that made life became difficult and there was a long-term economic recession.

[Kimonoe]

How I like it - how selflessly the supporters of the union of "great Russia" and "insidious China" are engaged in neuromasturbation, suggesting to themselves that China, for which Russia is a raw material appendage, and still the holder of China's historical territories, is more important than the developed West!
West - due to which, in fact, the Chinese economy lives!
In terms of shares, economic indicators show that China's profit from relations with Russia is a turnover commensurate, if not with an error, then in no way affecting trade with the West. One word looks comical, illogical, and stupid

Don't underestimate China. In the near future, the Chinese GDP will overtake that of the United States. China may be dependent on the West for exporting finished goods. But at the same time, can the West survive without imports from China? The same goes with Russia as well. Russia gets a lot of it's revenue from exports of oil, gas and metals to the West. But at the same time, can the West replace all these imports from Russia? Already the western citizens are reeling from sky high inflation and in many of the countries there are popular protests.

both are a good collaboration in my opinion. Western countries will find it difficult to find substitute sources of oil from Russia, while Russia can export to China and be made into finished materials, and finally exported to the rest of the world, from there both economies can develop well, one is a provider of fuel and the other has technology.

[Ozero]

However, they have already done so. China is a difficult ally because it puts its national interests above all else and cherishes plans for the leading role of the Middle Kingdom in the world. The Chinese do not assimilate with the locals, and when the Chinese come to any city, a Chinatown appears in the city. There are relatively few Chinese in Russia just because they don't like cold weather and prefer a warmer climate. Therefore, China's interests in Russia are predominantly resource-oriented. But since resources in Russia are in great abundance, relations between Russia and China are now mutually beneficial - therefore the alliance exists.

China account for around 1/5th of the global population, but in terms of surface area, they account for only around 1/16th of the global total. So naturally, the Chinese appetite for natural resources can't be solely met from within it's borders. In case of Russia, it is the reverse situation. The population is 1/10th of that of China, and the surface area is around 2x larger. So that makes these two countries natural trade partners. But as you said, the dominating attitude of the Chinese can create issues in the long term.

China will definitely take advantage of Russia's current military defeat in Ukraine. Therefore, relations between Russia and China can hardly be called allied. Russia will be greatly weakened economically and militarily due to aggression against Ukraine and international sanctions. China really does not have enough of its own territory, and there they claim to be part of Russian Siberia. Therefore, Russia will soon see for itself how to lose its territory. This will be in the coming years.

[DrBeer]

How I like it - how selflessly the supporters of the union of "great Russia" and "insidious China" are engaged in neuromasturbation, suggesting to themselves that China, for which Russia is a raw material appendage, and still the holder of China's historical territories, is more important than the developed West!
West - due to which, in fact, the Chinese economy lives!
In terms of shares, economic indicators show that China's profit from relations with Russia is a turnover commensurate, if not with an error, then in no way affecting trade with the West. One word looks comical, illogical, and stupid

Don't underestimate China. In the near future, the Chinese GDP will overtake that of the United States. China may be dependent on the West for exporting finished goods. But at the same time, can the West survive without imports from China? The same goes with Russia as well. Russia gets a lot of it's revenue from exports of oil, gas and metals to the West. But at the same time, can the West replace all these imports from Russia? Already the western citizens are reeling from sky high inflation and in many of the countries there are popular protests.

Perhaps it will overtake, or maybe not, or maybe internal processes will lead to the destruction of the economy, or maybe they will create an alliance with India, or maybe not, or maybe ... The essence of the discussion is that some have decided, it seems for self-hypnosis, that Russia and China - friends and partners. But the reality is that Russia is only an appendage, raw materials and territorial! China buys Russian resources for a penny, and forces Russia to sell any resources at a price that is beneficial to China!
Oh yes, Russia is still an "errand boy" for China in big politics, where Russia makes idiotic moves, and China calmly reaps the benefits for itself. At the same time, in response, Russia demands almost nothing from China, well, except for talking frankly about Western politics. So China has never led and will not lead it like that

[Mometaskers]

Well time can only tell if those rumors about Russia and China endorsing a return to gold standard or something similar would come to fruition. What's sure is that Russia would definitely be the junior partner in this relationship if they ever push for it. They don't exactly have a strong economy to begin with.

I don't really agree with you, who say Russia doesn't have a strong enough economy. in times of war still raging like now, it has been seen that russia + china has become a strong (economic and war) power. China and Russia have almost the same basic nationalities and both don't like the US and they have a strong motivation to want to drop the dominance of the US dollar.

Russia is more an exporter of fuel and raw resources. How many Russian companies can you think right of the bat? And what's with "same basic nationalities". That statement don't make sense.

[darewaller]

Don't underestimate China. In the near future, the Chinese GDP will overtake that of the United States. China may be dependent on the West for exporting finished goods. But at the same time, can the West survive without imports from China? The same goes with Russia as well. Russia gets a lot of it's revenue from exports of oil, gas and metals to the West. But at the same time, can the West replace all these imports from Russia? Already the western citizens are reeling from sky high inflation and in many of the countries there are popular protests.

It is not just about GDP, it is about how you make that kind of money. China is the manufacturer of the world, whereas USA has the things people want to buy. China did created a bit of their own items that they create as well, they are not like just purely manufacturing items for others anymore, they are creating other stuff as well for themselves.

However, it is still mainly a manufacturer nation, so if we move all of that from China to India, then India would be rich, if we move it to Pakistan then Pakistan would be rich, if we move it to Iceland then Iceland will be rich. It is never really about china, it is about wherever people think they will get the cheapest manufacturing. Hence it is not a permanent richness for China.

[goldkingcoiner]

A new economic system is coming to the world and that system will not be dominated by the West. Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev (former Russian president) said in an interview with Russian media yesterday.

Medvedev said: "Hellish sanctions imposed on Russia by the United States, the EU, and their allies in the Ukraine conflict have failed to cripple Russia. Now, these sanctions are coming back to the West.

"As the West continues its futile efforts to corner Russia, the world is slowly moving towards a new global economic relationship. We are moving towards improving the financial system ', he added.

"Confidence in the reserve currency is fading like a morning mist and the prospect of the dollar and the euro leaving does not seem unrealistic now," Medvedev said.

High inflation rates weaken USD dominance for sure but are it really possible to replace USD as a reserve currency or the USA will allow that so easily? The era of regional currency is coming?

Russia SAYS it wants to build a new world order with China but lets look at the facts instead of cheap words of politicians, shall we?

Russia's economy is artifically being propped up by its gold reserves and whatever precious few countries which are not abiding by sanction laws. This is why the ruble rebounded. But it won't last long, as it is a temporary fix.

China's economy is completely reliant on the west's purchasing power. If the west were to sanction China and it's over 1.4 Billion people then China would transform into India really fast. And they know this. China is greedy and opportunistic beyond human measure. They are definitely just waiting to take advantage over a weakened Russia.

So, a new world order would be an extremely painful process for both countries. And I very much doubt China is ready to sacrifice itself and it's current cozy economic situation over Russia's hopes and dreams.

[EdenHazard]

However, they have already done so. China is a difficult ally because it puts its national interests above all else and cherishes plans for the leading role of the Middle Kingdom in the world. The Chinese do not assimilate with the locals, and when the Chinese come to any city, a Chinatown appears in the city. There are relatively few Chinese in Russia just because they don't like cold weather and prefer a warmer climate. Therefore, China's interests in Russia are predominantly resource-oriented. But since resources in Russia are in great abundance, relations between Russia and China are now mutually beneficial - therefore the alliance exists.

China account for around 1/5th of the global population, but in terms of surface area, they account for only around 1/16th of the global total. So naturally, the Chinese appetite for natural resources can't be solely met from within it's borders. In case of Russia, it is the reverse situation. The population is 1/10th of that of China, and the surface area is around 2x larger. So that makes these two countries natural trade partners. But as you said, the dominating attitude of the Chinese can create issues in the long term.

China will definitely take advantage of Russia's current military defeat in Ukraine. Therefore, relations between Russia and China can hardly be called allied. Russia will be greatly weakened economically and militarily due to aggression against Ukraine and international sanctions. China really does not have enough of its own territory, and there they claim to be part of Russian Siberia. Therefore, Russia will soon see for itself how to lose its territory. This will be in the coming years.

False.

russia would rise even more greater than bbefore due indeed the sanctions doesn't seem to be ramp up pressure on putin collectively. they are just fine and even planning something that might the west get a real surprise, just to get out of the non sense treat on teh, the sanctions won't work as it takes effect on the russian elite , not the middle or lower individuals , the G20 summit are the kickoff.

[Wawa2013]

However, they have already done so. China is a difficult ally because it puts its national interests above all else and cherishes plans for the leading role of the Middle Kingdom in the world. The Chinese do not assimilate with the locals, and when the Chinese come to any city, a Chinatown appears in the city. There are relatively few Chinese in Russia just because they don't like cold weather and prefer a warmer climate. Therefore, China's interests in Russia are predominantly resource-oriented. But since resources in Russia are in great abundance, relations between Russia and China are now mutually beneficial - therefore the alliance exists.

China account for around 1/5th of the global population, but in terms of surface area, they account for only around 1/16th of the global total. So naturally, the Chinese appetite for natural resources can't be solely met from within it's borders. In case of Russia, it is the reverse situation. The population is 1/10th of that of China, and the surface area is around 2x larger. So that makes these two countries natural trade partners. But as you said, the dominating attitude of the Chinese can create issues in the long term.

China will definitely take advantage of Russia's current military defeat in Ukraine. Therefore, relations between Russia and China can hardly be called allied. Russia will be greatly weakened economically and militarily due to aggression against Ukraine and international sanctions. China really does not have enough of its own territory, and there they claim to be part of Russian Siberia. Therefore, Russia will soon see for itself how to lose its territory. This will be in the coming years.

False.
russia would rise even more greater than bbefore due indeed the sanctions doesn't seem to be ramp up pressure on putin collectively. they are just fine and even planning something that might the west get a real surprise, just to get out of the non sense treat on teh, the sanctions won't work as it takes effect on the russian elite , not the middle or lower individuals , the G20 summit are the kickoff.

If international sanctions could weaken Russia, from the start Russia would not dare to invade Ukraine. Because a country as big as Russia
with an experienced leader like Putin, will not be afraid of sanctions imposed on them. I believe Russia did everything with careful planning,
after all, Russia has been hit with sanctions before. So the Russians have already prepared the steps they will take to achieve their goals,
and China, which has a fairly close relationship with Russia, will help Russia. Even though I don't like war, but I am quite amazed
by the courage of Russia against America and the west. I don't know what Russia and China are planning, but these two countries really
don't like American and western domination, especially in the economic sector. So it could be what Russia and China are trying to do to create
a new world order.

[DVlog]

China's economy is completely reliant on the west's purchasing power. If the west were to sanction China and it's over 1.4 Billion people then China would transform into India really fast. And they know this. China is greedy and opportunistic beyond human measure. They are definitely just waiting to take advantage over a weakened Russia.

Actually, it's easy to say china will be economically collapsed if the west put sanctions on them. But I highly doubt this will ever happen because of some key attributes china holds from the rest of the world.

1. They have humungous manpower with cheap labor costs. Money giant western companies have their factories in china which are irreplaceable. West can not provide the manpower with the same labor cost.

2. Suitable land for building infrastructure.

There is a reason why the 'dragon of Asia" is called the world's factory. If the west tried to put sanctions on china it will damage them more.

Their business is largely made with the west but doesn't forget they have a strong presence in others region's markets too.

[amishmanish]

A lot of countries especially US adversaries are uncomfortable with US dollar being the reserve currency. Russia and China are the prominent ones.
 It is worth noting that US sanctions have time and again damaged their economy. However the hegemony of US was literally unchallenged till US wielded control over world energy resources and supply lines in middle east(Oil is the most important commodity traded in USD). However in recent past things have changed. Russia and China have developed alternative energy supplies, and now they are moving into next phase of challenging US hegemony, by creating alternative currencies. God know what lies ahead, but yes it seems US is not going to let this happen easily, so there will be more conflicts in future.