Has Russia committed War crime?

[Franctoshi]

From the definition of war crime by Wikipedia
A war crime is a violation of the laws of war that gives rise to individual criminal responsibility for actions by the combatants, such as intentionally killing civilians or intentionally killing prisoners of war, torture, taking hostages, unnecessarily destroying civilian property, deception by perfidy, wartime sexual violence etc.

Looking at the meaning of war crime from the above definition by Wikipedia, Russia has already committed War crime and should be charged to international criminal court to face the law and pay for damages done to the people of Ukraine.
Should that be why President Joe Biden is calling him a war criminal.

What's your view on these?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime

[teosanru]

Haha who are we joking with? One country is invading the other country for whatever reasons it has and rest of the world is playing diplomacy, War in itself in any shape or form is a crime but tell me the last time when the winner was prosecuted for war crimes? All these war crimes shit is just a joke, It's all up to the countries, some countries do maintain some sort of delicacy to ensure a good rapport after the war, while some don't think of all these things in war, Civilian target has always been part of major wars, was US right when it bombed Hiroshima-Nagasaki? I don't see the then president being put to trial for committing a war crime? Why?

[Nerdy doctor]

This must be purely rhetorical as it's obvious to everyone, yourself included I think that Russia has indeed committed war crimes but who is to hold Russia accountable for its crimes? A country that has had free passes to lots of atrocities it has committed in the past. This would no doubt be talked about for a while and would gradually fade away

[cabron]

Haha who are we joking with? One country is invading the other country for whatever reasons it has and rest of the world is playing diplomacy, War in itself in any shape or form is a crime but tell me the last time when the winner was prosecuted for war crimes? All these war crimes shit is just a joke, It's all up to the countries, some countries do maintain some sort of delicacy to ensure a good rapport after the war, while some don't think of all these things in war, Civilian target has always been part of major wars, was US right when it bombed Hiroshima-Nagasaki? I don't see the then president being put to trial for committing a war crime? Why?

Not surprisingly, the International Court of Justice only applies against poor presidents in poor countries but never have we seen any rich country. A list of presidents in African countries actually imprisoned which is funny. No one in Africa questioned what authority is this  International Court of Justice has in the Sovereign state.

The International criminal court is the biggest joke of all. None of those lawyers had been tried looking at who did commit a war crime in Syria, Iraq, or in Afghanistan yet they will on Ukraine?  These guys only look at the crimes of someone and not thier own crimes.  

[lumbanrang]

What about America? Are they war heroes or war criminals? America and Russia are war criminals like it or not it is a fact. It depends from which side you look at it, if you look at it from the American side, Russia is a war criminal, but if you look at it from the Russian side, Russia is a war hero. And vice versa.

[paxmao]

There seems to be evidences of war crimes all over. Attacks on civilian targets, phosphorous munitions, cluster bombs used in civil areas and other less easy to document such as rape and murder.

To be honest, most modern wars do include war crimes in one way or another and yes, that includes US troop in some instances. Yet, as I said in other posts, that does not mean Putin and his generals should not be held responsible. One wrong does not justify other wrong.

[Ultegra134]

There seems to be evidences of war crimes all over. Attacks on civilian targets, phosphorous munitions, cluster bombs used in civil areas and other less easy to document such as rape and murder.

To be honest, most modern wars do include war crimes in one way or another and yes, that includes US troop in some instances. Yet, as I said in other posts, that does not mean Putin and his generals should not be held responsible. One wrong does not justify other wrong.

Here are a few civilians, bound and shot for being Ukrainians:
https://twitter.com/J_B_E__Zorg/status/1510005388950876168

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1510372750665433089

In Bucha, they just uncovered a mass grave of 280 bodies of civilians shot by the Russian military before they withdrew to Belarus.

For those who understand Russian, it is not only Putin who calls for genocide, the whole of Russia wants it:
https://twitter.com/J_B_E__Zorg/status/1510249786485755908

https://twitter.com/J_B_E__Zorg/status/1510248120172617734

It doesn't need much thought when thinking about war casualties. A quick look at the city of Mariupol is enough to determine how aggressive Russian forces are, and how many crimes of war have been committed.

I believe we're seeing a repeat of the history of Yugoslavia, demolished cities, a war potentially lasting 2-3 months, lot of civilians killed. Certainly, when looking to all these bombarded cities, it's safe to imply that a large amount of deaths have been committed.

[suzanne5223]

The definition of War Crime provided by Wikipedia shows that President Putin committed a war crime and the Ukraine invasion was the why President Joe Biden called him a war criminal but all the governments need to change their political understanding or system which is the main reason why war crime happened. However, if we're to judge by the Wikipedia explanation then all the governments are somehow war criminal.

[TheNineClub]

Haha who are we joking with? One country is invading the other country for whatever reasons it has and rest of the world is playing diplomacy, War in itself in any shape or form is a crime but tell me the last time when the winner was prosecuted for war crimes? All these war crimes shit is just a joke, It's all up to the countries, some countries do maintain some sort of delicacy to ensure a good rapport after the war, while some don't think of all these things in war, Civilian target has always been part of major wars, was US right when it bombed Hiroshima-Nagasaki? I don't see the then president being put to trial for committing a war crime? Why?

I completely agree with this statement. There wasn't an instance (at least I can't think of one) where the winner was prosecuted for war crimes. In modern warfare, there are fewer and fewer clear cut winners and losers because warfare itself has changed, so it's likely to assume that, even if Ukraine negotiates an end of war treaty, no war criminals will be prosecuted (if we stay on Russia specifically, just think back to Chechnya and Georgia). All of this war criminals' talk is just that, talk, unfortunately, and Bidan is just showboating.

[paxmao]

There seems to be evidences of war crimes all over. Attacks on civilian targets, phosphorous munitions, cluster bombs used in civil areas and other less easy to document such as rape and murder.

To be honest, most modern wars do include war crimes in one way or another and yes, that includes US troop in some instances. Yet, as I said in other posts, that does not mean Putin and his generals should not be held responsible. One wrong does not justify other wrong.

Here are a few civilians, bound and shot for being Ukrainians:
https://twitter.com/J_B_E__Zorg/status/1510005388950876168

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1510372750665433089

In Bucha, they just uncovered a mass grave of 280 bodies of civilians shot by the Russian military before they withdrew to Belarus.

For those who understand Russian, it is not only Putin who calls for genocide, the whole of Russia wants it:
https://twitter.com/J_B_E__Zorg/status/1510249786485755908

https://twitter.com/J_B_E__Zorg/status/1510248120172617734

I do not think the whole of the Russian population is calling for genocide. There is support for the government no doubt, and there is little counterbalance to the official version nor any hint of free speech left after so many years of Putinism. It is difficult to express a dissenting view, yet there are many Russians that have been arrested, so not all of them are in favour of the war and certainly most people are not psychopaths that would like all Ukrainians dead not children killed.

War crimes are responsibility of those who order them and those who execute them. Having an opinion is not a war crime (nor a crime at all).

[paxmao]

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I would agree with you if we saw 100K+ demonstrations in Moscow or St. Petersburg. What we see is fringe opposition. Nothing to write home about. Just like in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s.

Smart people leave Russia in droves. What will be left are psychopaths, Homo Sovieticus conformists, and fringe opposition who cannot leave for whatever reason. Those who support Putin's regime are responsible for these war crimes.

What Russian soldiers did in Bucha is beyond comprehension. They killed thousands just in a few weeks, in one small town.
Raping women and hanging them, some were raped, stripped naked, and burned alive, killing tied-up civilians in the back.

That type of hatred towards the civilian population is on the level of Serbs' atrocities against Muslims in the 1990s, and Germans' atrocities against the Jews in the 1940s. Mass graves etc.

Putin's propaganda created monsters. The whole civilized world should cancel Russia.

It is little known, but there actually was a resistance of Germans in Germany and that taken into account that the opposition, that did exist, was incarcerated upon Hitler rising to power. In Russia, there is also opposition to war despite that one would assume that if you are only told lies you will form an opinion based on lies. We have to make sure that they also get the right facts and have, at least, something to balance the sh*t they are feed everyday.

I agree with you, there are signs of terror war and atrocities in Bucha, which makes little sense to any person in his mind and I understand how you feel. And I am sure that, unfortunately, more is yet to be found in Mariupol and possibly in smaller villages. I was expecting that it would happen as Putin's army was obviously unsuccessful and the generals would no doubt be considering terrorism as a way of revenge, yet I hoped they somehow would think clearly of the consequences and avoid it.

All war criminals can and will be identified, there is no place to hide and even if they go back to Russia they will have to live hidden and in shame as the terrorists and serial torturers they are.

Haha who are we joking with? One country is invading the other country for whatever reasons it has and rest of the world is playing diplomacy, War in itself in any shape or form is a crime but tell me the last time when the winner was prosecuted for war crimes? All these war crimes shit is just a joke, It's all up to the countries, some countries do maintain some sort of delicacy to ensure a good rapport after the war, while some don't think of all these things in war, Civilian target has always been part of major wars, was US right when it bombed Hiroshima-Nagasaki? I don't see the then president being put to trial for committing a war crime? Why?

Not surprisingly, the International Court of Justice only applies against poor presidents in poor countries but never have we seen any rich country. A list of presidents in African countries actually imprisoned which is funny. No one in Africa questioned what authority is this  International Court of Justice has in the Sovereign state.

The International criminal court is the biggest joke of all. None of those lawyers had been tried looking at who did commit a war crime in Syria, Iraq, or in Afghanistan yet they will on Ukraine?  These guys only look at the crimes of someone and not thier own crimes.  

You have good reasons to doubt the ICJ - they do not have a way of enforcing power and cannot judge many of the cases, however it is good that it is there - having an accusation pending in the court does have a meaning and some effects in diplomatic terms.

[KingScorpio]

From the definition of war crime by Wikipedia
A war crime is a violation of the laws of war that gives rise to individual criminal responsibility for actions by the combatants, such as intentionally killing civilians or intentionally killing prisoners of war, torture, taking hostages, unnecessarily destroying civilian property, deception by perfidy, wartime sexual violence etc.

Looking at the meaning of war crime from the above definition by Wikipedia, Russia has already committed War crime and should be charged to international criminal court to face the law and pay for damages done to the people of Ukraine.
Should that be why President Joe Biden is calling him a war criminal.

What's your view on these?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime

uff there were war crimes in donbass that actually started this war,

they where comitted over 8 years, and they where documented internationally.

over 8 years.

I do not think the whole of the Russian population is calling for genocide. There is support for the government no doubt, and there is little counterbalance to the official version nor any hint of free speech left after so many years of Putinism. It is difficult to express a dissenting view, yet there are many Russians that have been arrested, so not all of them are in favour of the war and certainly most people are not psychopaths that would like all Ukrainians dead not children killed.

War crimes are responsibility of those who order them and those who execute them. Having an opinion is not a war crime (nor a crime at all).

I would agree with you if we saw 100K+ demonstrations in Moscow or St. Petersburg. What we see is fringe opposition. Nothing to write home about. Just like in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s.

Smart people leave Russia in droves. What will be left are psychopaths, Homo Sovieticus conformists, and fringe opposition who cannot leave for whatever reason. Those who support Putin's regime are responsible for these war crimes.

What Russian soldiers did in Bucha is beyond comprehension. They killed thousands just in a few weeks, in one small town.
Raping women and hanging them, some were raped, stripped naked, and burned alive, killing tied-up civilians in the back.

That type of hatred towards the civilian population is on the level of Serbs' atrocities against Muslims in the 1990s, and Germans' atrocities against the Jews in the 1940s. Mass graves etc.

Putin's propaganda created monsters. The whole civilized world should cancel Russia.

you have no idea what this war is all about you believe deliberate nonsense, completely pointless to take you serious

besides putin is no wizard, he simply is doing his job, ukraine comitted a genocide in its eastern part and the braindead western woke elite is not trying to defend this, but the truth will come out anyway they should know better.

If something belongs canceled than its the woke left racist ideology comming from the West, it has infected many so called POC. and is a pro crime, pro hate pro racism ideology.

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[Franctoshi]

This must be purely rhetorical as it's obvious to everyone, yourself included I think that Russia has indeed committed war crimes but who is to hold Russia accountable for its crimes? A country that has had free passes to lots of atrocities it has committed in the past. This would no doubt be talked about for a while and would gradually fade away

This is disgusting and weakness in action by both teams,  imagine one man holding the whole world on pause, that means that UN and USA are not living up to their expectation they should, Forgetting that other countries are watching on their reactions towards Russia, which means if nothing much is done by them, country like China could also wake up one day and invade Taiwan, while North Korea could also invade south Korea knowing that they will also go free.

[Etranger]

Those who support Putin's regime are responsible for these war crimes.

It is not only those who support this barbaric regime who are guilty. Those who have done nothing to overcome it in 25 years are also to blame. Those who started protesting only when the irreversible war and the genocide of Ukrainians had already begun are also to blame. Those who left russia and went abroad but continue to do nothing to fight these crimes against humanity are also to blame. Just like those who left because of unfavorable economic conditions, and not because of ideological opposition. Those who refuse to think and reflect in favor of blind submission to propaganda and irresponsible attitude to their own lives are also guilty. Those humanitarians whose work is to set guidelines for the population are many times more to blame than those who follow these landmarks. Because all these cruel crimes now continue to be justified by pseudo-philosophers, pseudo-historians and pseudo-priests. Such regimes are not created by a handful of people. And even more so are not created by one person. And even more so, do not hold out for decades, because the population is simply afraid to overthrow this regime. They exist because people are proud of what they do, they rejoice when they kill pregnant women and rape children, they rejoice when they are mailed looted property to their families and receive new requests from them for the microwave and laptop. Therefore, the regime is supported by many more people than only those who openly declare it.

[Lucius]

I believe we're seeing a repeat of the history of Yugoslavia, demolished cities, a war potentially lasting 2-3 months, lot of civilians killed. Certainly, when looking to all these bombarded cities, it's safe to imply that a large amount of deaths have been committed.

The difference is that the war in the former Yugoslavia lasted for years, and that the crimes committed in that period are far more horrific and massive than what is happening so far in Ukraine. This does not mean that this war will not have even more serious consequences in the end, because people are dying every second, and cities and villages are being destroyed without mercy.

What Serbs and Russians have in common is their mindset, which is completely identical - Milosevic 1991 and Putin 2022 behave completely identical. The link in my profile shows what happened to Vukovar in 1991, similar to what is happening today with Mariupol, the same strategy, the same consequences and not a bit of remorse for what was done. Only a few people were convicted of the crime, and Serbs, like Russians today, claim that all this is not true and that the city collapsed on its own.

I do not believe that Russia will ever be held accountable for crimes, just as no American citizen has been convicted in an international tribunal for crimes committed in Iraq or Afghanistan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6HU00DCAL4

[yazher]

It would be a crime if a small country that has no ally will invade its neighboring country but as for Russia, it wouldn't matter because no country can stop them even the powerful ones who are against them. All they can do are sanctions which don't even bother Russia's president because they already know what to do in case of this kind of event will occur along with their mission in Ukraine. If it really hurt them, we can see some unlikely actions from them that we all don't want to see because the most affected would be the civilians and the children who are not even aware of what's going on.

[Findingnemo]

When Alexander did that we call him as leader and when British did that we called them as great country but when Russia did we call them as criminals, not really fair we should call everyone as criminals or great leader so decide it by yourselves will be my answer.

Killing anyone intentionally or non intentionally is wrong but who cares? Everyone wants to play the political game with whatever thing they have got at that time.

[coolcoinz]

IMO this was a war crime and the West will condemn it, but the question is: will they have the balls to go all the way and isolate Russia? For instance, Burger King and many other Western companies continue to operate there. Countries like Hungary still support Russia and help them finance their war. Is this going to change after this genocide? I doubt it.

For those who understand Russian, it is not only Putin who calls for genocide, the whole of Russia wants it:
https://twitter.com/J_B_E__Zorg/status/1510249786485755908

https://twitter.com/J_B_E__Zorg/status/1510248120172617734

Those thousands of people who got beaten and thrown in jail at anti-war protests did not want the genocide to happen and would not want you to put them in the same group along with people from the street polls.

[LTU_btc]

IMO this was a war crime and the West will condemn it, but the question is: will they have the balls to go all the way and isolate Russia? For instance, Burger King and many other Western companies continue to operate there. Countries like Hungary still support Russia and help them finance their war. Is this going to change after this genocide? I doubt it.

I don't believe in full isolation of Russia. All these sanctions is painful for them, but West don't have balls to hit where it hurts most - embargo on Russian oil and gas. C'mon, some countries are ready to pay for gas in rubles. And yeah, there is still many foreign companies continue to operate in Russia

Those thousands of people who got beaten and thrown in jail at anti-war protests did not want the genocide to happen and would not want you to put them in the same group along with people from the street polls.

Maybe it's not correct to say that all Russians support war, but it's safe to say that majority of them support it. Even independent polls shows that support to Putin increased to over 80% since start of war. Though, probably you will get different results if you will ask whether you support war in Ukraine, or do you support special military operation in Ukraine. I think these polls use second name.

[Etranger]

It would be a crime if a small country that has no ally will invade its neighboring country but as for Russia, it wouldn't matter because no country can stop them even the powerful ones who are against them. All they can do are sanctions which don't even bother Russia's president because they already know what to do in case of this kind of event will occur along with their mission in Ukraine. If it really hurt them, we can see some unlikely actions from them that we all don't want to see because the most affected would be the civilians and the children who are not even aware of what's going on.

Yes, their president does not give a shit about sanctions and how they affect his people. I hope that the majority of the population of this unfortunate country will soon have nothing to eat. Perhaps, at least, this will force them to finally protest and question the policies of their political "elite". Because upholding ideological beliefs is unknown to them at all.