How long Putin can continue this nonsense war?!

[BADecker]

War is the last chance for a politician to stay in power, how bad was the Russian economy that caused Putin political suiside? How long is it going to take to step down from power or do Russians underestand he is just a paper tiger?! I believe in less than three months Putin's kingdom is over , what do  you think?

Putin has been in power for 22 years and counting, do you honestly think this was wasn't a calculated risk? Putin might be many things but being sensless isn't one of his qualities. it takes much more than just charisma, being a good orator and what have you to rule a country as autocratic as Russia for this long with no one to challenge. War or no War!! in my own opinion, Putin is going no where.

Quite correct. Russia doesn't need any other country. They can produce essentially anything they need to stay alive. And Siberia, being owned by Russia, is a land of untold opportunities for Russians.

Who is going to attempt to steal Siberia from Russia? Only the people who want the world to be driven back into the Dark Ages. Russian Nukes.

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[ariinv]

Putin played a bloody game in-behalf of the west and everyone was blaiming  Putin not the west !
Let's observe what happened during the last months carefully.
The Russian Invaded the border of Ukraine and stuck in first steps ! President Zelenski received Billions of dollars from the West to become a Hiro and more closer to Israel! 
The West confiscated the wealth of all Russian oligarchs living overseas. previous Putin colleagues in the KGB were a serious threat for him to stay in power! 
The Chinese Road and Belt project stuck totally after billions of dollars of expenses they paid to make it happen!
Who's the winner ? 
First place West (USA) , Burned chineses as much as they could !
Second place, Putin knocked down all of the Russian politicians who had power to compete with him! 
In 3rd place Zelenski Acted as good as an actor! and the Oscar of Political act will go to him!
Losers: World nations , in particular  Ukrainians and Russians, paid this game expenses with their life and money and many other things, and were wounded because of everything politicians would like to do except humanity!
Hope very soon to see the end of this bloody game!

[BADecker]

How long Putin can continue this nonsense war?!


Long enough to bankrupt the US and Western Europe.

[TheNineClub]

War is the last chance for a politician to stay in power, how bad was the Russian economy that caused Putin political suiside? How long is it going to take to step down from power or do Russians underestand he is just a paper tiger?! I believe in less than three months Putin's kingdom is over , what do  you think?

in the past we have seen wars last as long as 100 years. Sure, that was a long time ago, however it's a good example because it was more of an economic than an all out war, somewhat simmilar to this one. So while this one hopefully won't last a 100 years, it might last in some capacity longer than anyone expected. Hope I am wrong.

[amishmanish]

Putin knows he is at the end of his political career if he don't do something radical to make Russians believe he is a great man. The  objective he choose is to make Russia great again and to do this the first target was ukraine. He was expecting a swift victory over Ukraine with he becoming a numero uno in russia. But destiny had other plans. Now Russia is facing a face save for itself.

[BADecker]

Looks like Putin is preparing to make this war shorter than we would have expected. But the way he is doing it should make us all take a look at our options.


Russia Holds Nuclear Forces Drill As Biden Unveils $700M More In Arms For Ukraine

Russia's nuclear forces have launched fresh drills northeast of Moscow, in the Ivanovo province, according to new Russian defense ministry statements Wednesday.

Reuters cited Interfax news agency to report that "Some 1,000 servicemen are exercising in intense maneuvers using over 100 vehicles including Yars intercontinental ballistic missile launchers," based on the Russian MoD statement.

Some Western media reports are seeing the drill as a response and warning to Washington over the White House approving yet more military aid and weapons to Ukraine, particularly longer range rockets.

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On the other hand, Alex Jones analyzes what this really means... Russian nukes which don't have any value beyond Russian talk... or do they? Watch the videos.


Globalist Proxy War Goes Hot as Russian TV Propaganda Threatens to Nuke US

Russian state media threatened that President Vladimir Putin could “destroy the entire east coast of the U.S.” with just two Sarmat “Satan II” nuclear missiles if the West continues to escalate war in Ukraine.

The chilling warning was made Tuesday on Russia’s media program Rossiya 1 by Russian member of Parliament Alexei Zhuravlev, who explained that Russia could launch only four Sarmat missiles to completely destroy the US east and west coasts.

“I will tell you absolutely competently that to destroy the entire the East Coast of the United States, two Sarmat missiles are needed,” Zhuravlev said. “And the same goes for the West Coast. Four missiles, and there will be nothing left.”

“They think the mushroom cloud will be taller than a high rise. That mushroom cloud will be visible from Mexico,” he added.

Russian state media issued a similarly bizarre threat earlier this month, warning that it could launch an underwater 100-megaton nuclear strike on the UK it claimed would produce a massive radioactive tsunami.

These disturbing remarks by Russian media come just a day after Russia test-fired its anti-ship hypersonic Zircon missile, which can travel up to nine times the speed of sound at a range of 620 miles.

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[af_newbie]

Looks like Putin is preparing to make this war shorter than we would have expected. But the way he is doing it should make us all take a look at our options.


Russia Holds Nuclear Forces Drill As Biden Unveils $700M More In Arms For Ukraine

Russia's nuclear forces have launched fresh drills northeast of Moscow, in the Ivanovo province, according to new Russian defense ministry statements Wednesday.

Reuters cited Interfax news agency to report that "Some 1,000 servicemen are exercising in intense maneuvers using over 100 vehicles including Yars intercontinental ballistic missile launchers," based on the Russian MoD statement.

Some Western media reports are seeing the drill as a response and warning to Washington over the White House approving yet more military aid and weapons to Ukraine, particularly longer range rockets.

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If he drops a nuke, I think it will be the 'all gloves off' type of a fight. I don't think he will go there. Russia is not ready for it.

He will continue his war of attrition, and reach the border of Donbas, losing 100K+ soldiers while doing it. Declare a victory and withdraw from
Ukraine as he will not want to spend his own money to hold it and rebuild all the leveled cities, towns, and infrastructure.

It is a clusterfuck for Russia and he needs to get out of it. Somehow.

Dropping a nuke will complicate things exponentially.

[Betwrong]

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If he drops a nuke, I think it will be the 'all gloves off' type of a fight. I don't think he will go there. Russia is not ready for it.
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I agree with you. Using nukes may very well turn the remaining few allies of Russia against it. Nobody wants nukes used in any war on earth. That's why we have the Nuclear Weapon Ban Treaty. Violate the Treaty and you'll see armies from all over the world on your land sooner than you think.

[BADecker]

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If he drops a nuke, I think it will be the 'all gloves off' type of a fight. I don't think he will go there. Russia is not ready for it.
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I agree with you. Using nukes may very well turn the remaining few allies of Russia against it. Nobody wants nukes used in any war on earth. That's why we have the Nuclear Weapon Ban Treaty. Violate the Treaty and you'll see armies from all over the world on your land sooner than you think.

Imagine that you are walking down the sidewalk, a peaceful, nice day, you are even whistling, the sun is shining, life is good.

Then 20 big, mean bullies pop up out of nowhere and are out to kill you... I mean, really kill you dead, and you know it. Like Russia, you are not ready for it.

But what will you do? If you have a couple of grenades, won't you toss them into the group, even though it kills you along with most of the bullies?

The world is trying to take Russia out with their sanctions. And they seem willing to do it even though it is destroying their own economies and killing their own people.

I don't like the idea of war any more than anyone else. But if anyone thinks that Russia is just going to roll over and let themselves be destroyed without a fight, they're crazy. And since Russia has the idea of controlling the world anyway... the possibility of them using nukes that take the whole world back to the dark ages is something they just might do.

[Gyfts]

Putin allegedly treated for cancer in April: https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-putin-treated-cancer-april-us-intelligence-report-says-1710357

The clear and obvious mental decline and oddities associated with Putin's physical behavior gave everyone the indication that his health wasn't in a great place. His time is limited and the only question remains is who will take his place, and whether that person will continue war efforts. How long do you all think Putin has until his own officials throw him over or he dies of cancer?

[BADecker]

Putin allegedly treated for cancer in April: https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-putin-treated-cancer-april-us-intelligence-report-says-1710357

The clear and obvious mental decline and oddities associated with Putin's physical behavior gave everyone the indication that his health wasn't in a great place. His time is limited and the only question remains is who will take his place, and whether that person will continue war efforts. How long do you all think Putin has until his own officials throw him over or he dies of cancer?

However Russia is run, essentially there is a group of people, many former KGB just like Putin, who decide on a regular basis if Putin should remain in power, or if one of the others should replace him. So far they are voting for Putin.

Even if a few of them don't like a few of the things that Putin is doing, or even if the bunch of them don't like some of it, they haven't found anybody who could do it better. If Putin dies of cancer, they will want someone in power who will do it like Putin is doing it. The next guy will be another Putin... for at least a little while.

[Sayeds56]

How long Putin can continue this nonsense war?!


Long enough to bankrupt the US and Western Europe.

Putin is not losing this war but winning then why he will stop it before he fully compels US and Europe to accept his conditions to end this war . In the beginning it looked like as he won't be able to sustain his economy due to harsh sanctions imposed on Russia but he survived and now value of Ruble is even stronger than before war broke out. On the other hand US and its allies are feeling the adverse outcome of this war on their economies.

[BADecker]

How long Putin can continue this nonsense war?!


Long enough to bankrupt the US and Western Europe.

Putin is not losing this war but winning then why he will stop it before he fully compels US and Europe to accept his conditions to end this war . In the beginning it looked like as he won't be able to sustain his economy due to harsh sanctions imposed on Russia but he survived and now value of Ruble is even stronger than before war broke out. On the other hand US and its allies are feeling the adverse outcome of this war on their economies.

Exactly!

Russia is a big enough country, especially if you include Siberia, that they don't need the rest of the world. Sanctions aren't hurting Russia. They are cutting the rest of the world off from gaining any more of Russia's wealth. People need to wake up to this simple fact.

[Betwrong]

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I agree with you. Using nukes may very well turn the remaining few allies of Russia against it. Nobody wants nukes used in any war on earth. That's why we have the Nuclear Weapon Ban Treaty. Violate the Treaty and you'll see armies from all over the world on your land sooner than you think.

Imagine that you are walking down the sidewalk, a peaceful, nice day, you are even whistling, the sun is shining, life is good.

Then 20 big, mean bullies pop up out of nowhere and are out to kill you... I mean, really kill you dead, and you know it. Like Russia, you are not ready for it.

But what will you do? If you have a couple of grenades, won't you toss them into the group, even though it kills you along with most of the bullies?
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No! I wouldn't do that! Would you? Really? To sacrifice your life to ... what exactly? What if your "knowledge" is wrong? What if the "bullies" were actually helping you all the time through history? What if they want to help now too, and you what, blow yourself up along with them?

The world is trying to take Russia out with their sanctions. And they seem willing to do it even though it is destroying their own economies and killing their own people.
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The world is trying to stop the bloody unjustified war started by Putin in Ukraine. Putin needs this war to prevent the overthrowing of his corrupted government. And you shouldn't be Albert Einstein to know that your approval rating will rise during the war.

[yazher]

The world is trying to stop the bloody unjustified war started by Putin in Ukraine. Putin needs this war to prevent the overthrowing of his corrupted government. And you shouldn't be Albert Einstein to know that your approval rating will rise during the war.

I hope it's stopped now because even though we were miles and miles away from ground zero, we are still suffering and feeling the effect of the current war on our economy and the essential needs prices are rising because of the current oil price hike. This is not for the sake of Ukrainian anymore but also for the other country that was already suffering and with this war going on, they even suffer more right now because the economy is failing and it is hard to get up when things like this continue to happen in the future.

[SSIstheway]

Really depends on what Putin is able to sell as a win domestically. There's a lot of Russian losses, sure, but Ukranians are hurting too, and Putin's territorial gains in the East are non-trivial. If the Donbas is secured + a land corridor to Crimea, and he can get some kind of negotiated promise of Ukranian neutrality re: joining NATO, then that might be enough to sell domestically as a win.

Remember, Russians have historically tolerated leaders that have racked up high domestic body counts, but have been less tolerant of leaders perceived as weak. Hence, Putin's survival lies in being able to spin a tale of victory.

[BADecker]

Really depends on what Putin is able to sell as a win domestically. There's a lot of Russian losses, sure, but Ukranians are hurting too, and Putin's territorial gains in the East are non-trivial. If the Donbas is secured + a land corridor to Crimea, and he can get some kind of negotiated promise of Ukranian neutrality re: joining NATO, then that might be enough to sell domestically as a win.

Remember, Russians have historically tolerated leaders that have racked up high domestic body counts, but have been less tolerant of leaders perceived as weak. Hence, Putin's survival lies in being able to spin a tale of victory.

Stalin essentially destroyed the Soviet Union by doing just that. The leaders after Stalin couldn't stop the fall of the U.S.S.R.

In the new Russia, Putin and those before him don't/didn't operate like that. They recognize the Stalin failure, and are doing things differently... because they don't want national failure to happen again.

Putin is having success because he is doing it based (more or less) on free trade... or was until the sanctions. His reactions to the sanctions are showing us that his free trade is stronger than US/Europe sanctions.

[af_newbie]

Really depends on what Putin is able to sell as a win domestically. There's a lot of Russian losses, sure, but Ukranians are hurting too, and Putin's territorial gains in the East are non-trivial. If the Donbas is secured + a land corridor to Crimea, and he can get some kind of negotiated promise of Ukranian neutrality re: joining NATO, then that might be enough to sell domestically as a win.

Remember, Russians have historically tolerated leaders that have racked up high domestic body counts, but have been less tolerant of leaders perceived as weak. Hence, Putin's survival lies in being able to spin a tale of victory.

That would work with the French or Germans, but it will never work with Ukrainians.

Even if he would manage to control these territories today, Russians will be dying for the foreseeable future, until Ukraine gets its territories back. No matter if it takes 2, 5, 10, or 40 years. Russians will be defeated in those territories. Too many atrocities were committed by the Russian soldiers in Ukraine. There will be no going back to pre-2022 relations with Russia.

People who think some sort of territorial succession can be achieved, do not understand Ukrainians, their nationalism, and what exactly happened in Ukraine.

[be.open]

Really depends on what Putin is able to sell as a win domestically. There's a lot of Russian losses, sure, but Ukranians are hurting too, and Putin's territorial gains in the East are non-trivial. If the Donbas is secured + a land corridor to Crimea, and he can get some kind of negotiated promise of Ukranian neutrality re: joining NATO, then that might be enough to sell domestically as a win.

Remember, Russians have historically tolerated leaders that have racked up high domestic body counts, but have been less tolerant of leaders perceived as weak. Hence, Putin's survival lies in being able to spin a tale of victory.

That would work with the French or Germans, but it will never work with Ukrainians.

Even if he would manage to control these territories today, Russians will be dying for the foreseeable future, until Ukraine gets its territories back. No matter if it takes 2, 5, 10, or 40 years. Russians will be defeated in those territories. Too many atrocities were committed by the Russian soldiers in Ukraine. There will be no going back to pre-2022 relations with Russia.

People who think some sort of territorial succession can be achieved, do not understand Ukrainians, their nationalism, and what exactly happened in Ukraine.

Just the same, the nationalism of Ukrainians is very well understood, which is why this operation of demilitarization and denazification is being carried out. In the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, the queue is a month ahead for obtaining Russian citizenship. In September, children in the liberated territories will go to school and follow the Russian curriculum, including the Russian anthem and the hoisting of the Russian flag every morning. I think after 20 years of continuous efforts, only vague memories will remain of Ukrainian nationalism.

[johhnyUA]

I believe in less than three months Putin's kingdom is over , what do  you think?

False. Russia will hit until it will be able to do so. For russia (not only for Ukraine, yep) this was is existential. If it will fail - for russia this will means an and and country (as we know it) will collapse.

So, taking into account this information you could try to calculate the and of the war by yourself )

If you want to know more, you can read this guy - https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1497993363076915204

Really depends on what Putin is able to sell as a win domestically. There's a lot of Russian losses, sure, but Ukranians are hurting too, and Putin's territorial gains in the East are non-trivial. If the Donbas is secured + a land corridor to Crimea, and he can get some kind of negotiated promise of Ukranian neutrality re: joining NATO, then that might be enough to sell domestically as a win.

This is bad point

Remember, Russians have historically tolerated leaders that have racked up high domestic body counts, but have been less tolerant of leaders perceived as weak. Hence, Putin's survival lies in being able to spin a tale of victory.

And this is very good point! From your second point it's obvious that first point is wrong: russian wants full victory, means "to occupy all Ukraine", not just few middle cities on the south and east.

For example, russian neo-nazi writer, bulba de thones has the same vibes:
"PФ xoчeт выйти из вoйны пocлe эпичнoй битвы зa Дoнбacc, кoтopaя пoдмeнилa coбoй пoлный пepeфopмaт тeppитopий Укpaины. Bы жe в нaчaлe CBO тoжe мeчтaли o взятыx c бoями 3,5 cёлax?"

He is complaining that initially russian goal - to occupy all Ukraine and to kill or rusificate all ukrainians is not achievable. Overwhelming majority of russians think in the same way.

So gnomes can't just stop the war without major negative consequences for themselves.

Here, even local kremlin puppets confirm this take:

Russia does not have much choice to continue or end, there is too much at stake.

And this is no joke or smth like that. This is the main vibe of russian society.