The 200 with most earned merit.

[Poker Player]

Since I signed up in the forum, and started to earn merit, I had been steadily climbing positions in terms of earned merit, but lately I see that I have a hard time advancing, being around the 200th position, despite the fact that today I earn merit faster than ever, almost twice as many merits as activity, which I think is not bad at all.

I wonder if you have noticed anything similar, although I suppose that not in all cases people will have noticed that around the 200th position. I am sure that n0nce, for example, did not notice anything at that position and will certainly do so later, when he gets to the first 25 or so. But his is an exceptional case, which we should not consider the norm.

I would also like to clarify that those in the top 10 of most earned merit (or those in the top 25 if you want) I would not call them just quality posters, I don't know exactly what I would call them, but it would have to be something else, like exceptional posters or something like that.

I don't know if we could consider that there are about 200 (or 150 or 250) high quality posters in the forum. Not only because of my perception, which could be subjective, but also taking into account the following:

There are 54 participants in the CM campaign, 25 in the Best Change campaign and 22 in the [banned mixer] campaign. Maybe someone may have a member of these campaigns in mind who does not consider a quality poster, but the vast majority of them are. That would make about 100 members and we have to take into account that there are people who write with quality who are not part of those campaigns, either because they are part of other campaigns or because they don't wear a paid signature.

I believe that taking this into account, we would get roughly a minimum of 150 high quality posters, which coincides with my perception.

What do you think about it?

[philipma1957]

Since I signed up in the forum, and started to earn merit, I had been steadily climbing positions in terms of earned merit, but lately I see that I have a hard time advancing, being around the 200th position, despite the fact that today I earn merit faster than ever, almost twice as many merits as activity, which I think is not bad at all.

I wonder if you have noticed anything similar, although I suppose that not in all cases people will have noticed that around the 200th position. I am sure that n0nce, for example, did not notice anything at that position and will certainly do so later, when he gets to the first 25 or so. But his is an exceptional case, which we should not consider the norm.

I would also like to clarify that those in the top 10 of most earned merit (or those in the top 25 if you want) I would not call them just quality posters, I don't know exactly what I would call them, but it would have to be something else, like exceptional posters or something like that.

I don't know if we could consider that there are about 200 (or 150 or 250) high quality posters in the forum. Not only because of my perception, which could be subjective, but also taking into account the following:

There are 54 participants in the CM campaign, 25 in the Best Change campaign and 22 in the [banned mixer] campaign. Maybe someone may have a member of these campaigns in mind who does not consider a quality poster, but the vast majority of them are. That would make about 100 members and we have to take into account that there are people who write with quality who are not part of those campaigns, either because they are part of other campaigns or because they don't wear a paid signature.

I believe that taking this into account, we would get roughly a minimum of 150 high quality posters, which coincides with my perception.

What do you think about it?

you are over 1000 merit which will slow you getting merits since you no longer need merits.

I have given you a few when you were under 1000 to help you rise in rank as I think you are good for the forum. But once you get past 1000 two things happen one you have enough to make legend and you look as if you may be an older poster with very few new merits earned. Hang in there keep posting your good content and when you get to 1500 or more merits you may see faster merits earned .

[suchmoon]

What's the difference in the amount of merit between 200th and e.g. 150th position? Something like 200-300 merits, right?

I think the difference between ~400th position and the 200th position is about the same as 200th to 150th.

So to climb up you'd have to earn than many merits more than others, and you're "competing" with mostly active quality* posters plus those damn hypermeritorious newbies who just zoom past everyone LOL... makes sense that it gets exponentially slower.


* - highly subjective of course, but the threshold for earning merit is really really low here so as long as one posts generally literate original thoughts and/or facts, it's "quality".

[BITCOIN4X]

I have given you a few when you were under 1000 to help you rise in rank as I think you are good for the forum. But once you get past 1000 two things happen one you have enough to make legend and you look as if you may be an older poster with very few new merits earned. Hang in there keep posting your good content and when you get to 1500 or more merits you may see faster merits earned .

I agree with this opinion, many people will try to help when we haven't got 1000 merit because they agree that we deserve high rank once they realize most of the effort to contribute to the community. But once we cross this threshold (1000 merit), then everything changes and only we know why people don't send us merit as intensely as they used to.

I only have one reason why this is happening, and that is about the quality of the contribution posts. Once we get enough merit to reach Legendary then we really need to know that only hard work and consistency will let us get as many users merit as the current top 10 users. We realize that our current contribution isn't commensurate with theirs, so it's okay while we're still in the 200+ rankings at the moment because of course this ranking will continue to improve as we get merit at quality posts. So why are you worried, are you interested in the merit race?

In fact, your rank is still better than mine right now. So you should be proud of it, mate.

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[Poker Player]

After reading the responses I have to clarify one thing that I feel was not made clear enough in the OP:

you are over 1000 merit which will slow you getting merits since you no longer need merits.

I agree with this opinion, many people will try to help when we haven't got 1000 merit because they agree that we deserve high rank once they realize most of the effort to contribute to the community. But once we cross this threshold (1000 merit), then everything changes and only we know why people don't send us merit as intensely as they used to.

No, actually that's not what happened to me. What has happened to me after reaching 1000 merits is that I keep earning merits faster than ever, and yet I notice that I find it harder than ever to climb above position 200, that's why I created this thread.

[Pmalek]

I didn't know where I am ranked in the overall merit leaderboard, so I went to check. Turns out that I am in a higher position than I thought. But there are plenty of quality posters above me and most of them are active on a daily basis. They are also collecting merits regularly. That makes it difficult to advance. Even if I got 50 merits right now, that would mean nothing and I wouldn't move up on the ladder. In your particular case, adding 50 merits to your count would take you up like 15 places in the overall leaderboard.

Look at it like you look at sports. You have just been promoted to the highest division. It's no longer easy to beat and defeat your opponents as it was last year because those above you know what they are doing.

[mocacinno]

At some point, amounts and ranks don't matter that much anymore... At least, that's how it was in my case.

Sure, i still like to receive some merits, because it means somebody appreciates what i've written, but wether it's 5 merits or just 1 isn't that important. At some point, merits become less of a tool to rank up, and more of a thumbs-up functionality. I know it wasn't created for this purpose, but still, once you reach the legendary rank, that's a bit how it feels for me personally.

[so98nn]

Since I signed up in the forum, and started to earn merit, I had been steadily climbing positions in terms of earned merit, but lately I see that I have a hard time advancing, being around the 200th position, despite the fact that today I earn merit faster than ever, almost twice as many merits as activity, which I think is not bad at all.

Definitely you are good member, and if the merits have speeded up then I am surely you are contributing something better than previous times! Being around 200th position is just fabulous. However, this is not a race. You can still keep on contributing to forum voluntarily and growth will follow.

I wonder if you have noticed anything similar, although I suppose that not in all cases people will have noticed that around the 200th position. I am sure that n0nce, for example, did not notice anything at that position and will certainly do so later, when he gets to the first 25 or so. But his is an exceptional case, which we should not consider the norm.

Oh yes, n0nce is whole new chapter to forum. He is very knwoledgable person and can quickly answer technical queries. So thats a learning for us, if you want to be good at forum you have to have proper knwoledge and you should be able to speak out desirable answers. Peeps will automcatially read and follow you.

I would also like to clarify that those in the top 10 of most earned merit (or those in the top 25 if you want) I would not call them just quality posters, I don't know exactly what I would call them, but it would have to be something else, like exceptional posters or something like that.

I don't know if we could consider that there are about 200 (or 150 or 250) high quality posters in the forum. Not only because of my perception, which could be subjective, but also taking into account the following:

There are 54 participants in the CM campaign, 25 in the Best Change campaign and 22 in the [banned mixer] campaign. Maybe someone may have a member of these campaigns in mind who does not consider a quality poster, but the vast majority of them are. That would make about 100 members and we have to take into account that there are people who write with quality who are not part of those campaigns, either because they are part of other campaigns or because they don't wear a paid signature.

I believe that taking this into account, we would get roughly a minimum of 150 high quality posters, which coincides with my perception.

What do you think about it?

I agree that you are correlating quality poster with the campaigns they are in, may be because of the managers who run them have different ways to accept them. Most recently DarkStar had algorithm which chose the best of best, for example, n0nce so yes the best poster with high merits etc.
We respect their judgments but it does not mean you or me or other hundreds out there are not doing anything good just because our speed of meriting is slower.

At some point, amounts and ranks don't matter that much anymore... At least, that's how it was in my case.

Sure, i still like to receive some merits, because it means somebody appreciates what i've written, but wether it's 5 merits or just 1 isn't that important. At some point, merits become less of a tool to rank up, and more of a thumbs-up functionality. I know it wasn't created for this purpose, but still, once you reach the legendary rank, that's a bit how it feels for me personally.

Exactly what I want to explain in single line. :-)

[DdmrDdmr]

If we take a look at the merits you’ve earned since February 2022, and compare that to those 40 or so closest accounts that have earned more than you overall, you come off in fourth position (just below @aysg76, @skarias and @FatFork), and substantially better off than the core group you are "chasing" behind. From that point of view, I’d say you’ll substantially better your position within a couple of months (content providing).

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[lovesmayfamilis]

No, actually that's not what happened to me. What has happened to me after reaching 1000 merits is that I keep earning merits faster than ever, and yet I notice that I find it harder than ever to climb above position 200, that's why I created this thread.

You answered your question or feeling. The easier it became for you to receive merits, the easier it became for those ahead of you to receive merits. But at some point, you are suddenly surprised, seeing first the red marks in the values ​​​​of earned merits, and then forward from silver to gold.
Pmalek has a nice thread explaining the speed at which high ranks earn merit. A topic can also be used as an example for your topic, since good posters are mostly old and experienced accounts that are present on the forum daily. And merit sticks to the most active with great speed, it is enough to recall Ratimov.

[Coyster]

I believe that taking this into account, we would get roughly a minimum of 150 high quality posters, which coincides with my perception.

What do you think about it?

If you mean the forum has nothing less that 150 quality posters, then i second that, with the number of users who populate the forum we definitely should have a minimum of 150 quality posters, as for the maximum, i don't think there is any way at all to even speculate or quantify that for obvious reasons.

No, actually that's not what happened to me. What has happened to me after reaching 1000 merits is that I keep earning merits faster than ever, and yet I notice that I find it harder than ever to climb above position 200, that's why I created this thread.

Isn't the reason basically that those ahead of you are prolly earning merits faster than you are? And the more you earn, they likewise earn. Thus maybe with time if their merits slow down and yours continues to pump then you can surpass them somewhere along the line.

[Pmalek]

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Very often it's just a matter of being at the right place and at the right time. But if you are not around that often and not browsing the correct boards where you can share your knowledge and help others, someone else will take your place. If you open any thread where a user is asking for help and advice on how to deal with a problem, it's the first couple of posts that fully answer the problem or provide proper guidance that will get most of the merits. As the discussion goes on, those repeating what was already said previously stand very little chance to get merited.   

[philipma1957]

At some point, amounts and ranks don't matter that much anymore... At least, that's how it was in my case.

Sure, i still like to receive some merits, because it means somebody appreciates what i've written, but wether it's 5 merits or just 1 isn't that important. At some point, merits become less of a tool to rank up, and more of a thumbs-up functionality. I know it wasn't created for this purpose, but still, once you reach the legendary rank, that's a bit how it feels for me personally.

Yeah at 3900+ or 4700+ who really cares.

But if you look at us you know we earned thousands of merits since no one got more than a gift of 1000.


when you look at poker ♥️ ♦️ ♣️  player you can’t be sure if he earned his 1000 instantly and 100 plus real merits. in his case he earned all 1100+ and likely has slowed for two reasons.

one he does not need them to rank.
two some may think he is a old timer with very few new merits.

number two will not be an issue once he gets to 1500+ or so.

[Falconer]

Honestly I would never be surprised at the few users who are currently in the top rankings in merit gain because I know that they were really useful contributors on this forum even before the merit system was introduced except DdmrDdmr, Ratimov and fillippone (registered a few days before the merit system is introduced or after). Obviously they deserve it because the contribution is done continuously until now.

I'm only worried about my first 1000 merit instead of being in the top 100 users list with the most merit because that's actually the amount I need to earn to rank up to Legendary. The highest merit rank only proves that you are a good contributor to this forum, but of course that is relative and subjective and will be replaced sooner or later. But if you want to overtake them in terms of merit rank, then surely you have to work 3 times harder than now in terms of contribution.

[PrimeNumber7]

At some point, amounts and ranks don't matter that much anymore... At least, that's how it was in my case.

Sure, i still like to receive some merits, because it means somebody appreciates what i've written, but wether it's 5 merits or just 1 isn't that important. At some point, merits become less of a tool to rank up, and more of a thumbs-up functionality. I know it wasn't created for this purpose, but still, once you reach the legendary rank, that's a bit how it feels for me personally.

There becomes a point in which the amount of merit you receive is solely a function of how much you post. There are several forum members that will generally receive merit for a good percentage of their posts, and their merit is based on how many they write. I occasionally will receive merit for posts that are older, but the majority of merit I receive is received within a week or so of when I write the post.

I would say the above probably applies to most of those in the top 200 of earned merit.

[philipma1957]

At some point, amounts and ranks don't matter that much anymore... At least, that's how it was in my case.

Sure, i still like to receive some merits, because it means somebody appreciates what i've written, but wether it's 5 merits or just 1 isn't that important. At some point, merits become less of a tool to rank up, and more of a thumbs-up functionality. I know it wasn't created for this purpose, but still, once you reach the legendary rank, that's a bit how it feels for me personally.

There becomes a point in which the amount of merit you receive is solely a function of how much you post. There are several forum members that will generally receive merit for a good percentage of their posts, and their merit is based on how many they write. I occasionally will receive merit for posts that are older, but the majority of merit I receive is received within a week or so of when I write the post.

I would say the above probably applies to most of those in the top 200 of earned merit.

Yeah My older pre merit posts would have been worth 2000 to 3000 merits. Over the 1000 they gave.

So the 1000 given to me was an undercount.

I figure if we always gave merits I would be at 6800-7800 not 4700-4800


And yes when people see my posts they know I effort to give good info and an occasional joke. They know I do not have a signature so I don't post for coins. That helps me get merits fairly quickly.

I likely made 50,000 posts as I deleted a lot of older posts  as many seem point less now.

[LTU_btc]

I have noticed similar things like you. At one point I was close to get into top 300 merited users. But I never got into it, despite that I continue to get more or less merits. I actually dropping a bit in list of top merited users.
But I think it's normal thing. It's easier to climb up to the certain point because there is some inactive or banned users in your road. And you simply getting merits faster than some users. But when you reach top 200 or 300, things getting a bit more difficult even if you continue to get merits. Most users on the top is active, they're best posters and they continue to get decent number of merit.
Also, I don't lie description top 150 or top 200 bst posters. It's all ok with these users, but users with less merit also can be called as high quality posters. Some of them joined forum later, so, they didn't had enough time to get so many merits. Also, as said above, sometimes it's also important to be in right place on the right time.

[PrimeNumber7]

At some point, amounts and ranks don't matter that much anymore... At least, that's how it was in my case.

Sure, i still like to receive some merits, because it means somebody appreciates what i've written, but wether it's 5 merits or just 1 isn't that important. At some point, merits become less of a tool to rank up, and more of a thumbs-up functionality. I know it wasn't created for this purpose, but still, once you reach the legendary rank, that's a bit how it feels for me personally.

There becomes a point in which the amount of merit you receive is solely a function of how much you post. There are several forum members that will generally receive merit for a good percentage of their posts, and their merit is based on how many they write. I occasionally will receive merit for posts that are older, but the majority of merit I receive is received within a week or so of when I write the post.

I would say the above probably applies to most of those in the top 200 of earned merit.

Yeah My older pre merit posts would have been worth 2000 to 3000 merits. Over the 1000 they gave.

So the 1000 given to me was an undercount.

I figure if we always gave merits I would be at 6800-7800 not 4700-4800


And yes when people see my posts they know I effort to give good info and an occasional joke. They know I do not have a signature so I don't post for coins. That helps me get merits fairly quickly.

I likely made 50,000 posts as I deleted a lot of older posts  as many seem point less now.

My guess is that your older posts received more merit when the merit system was initially introduced, and over time the ratio of merit received for recent posts to merit received for older posts increased.

If you have been deleting posts over time, given your high post count, if the merit system had been introduced a month before you created your account, you would likely have substantially more merit than you have today, well above your 7800 estimate.

I like receiving merit as it shows that others appreciate my posts. Having additional merit gives you potentially more weight in the trust system because you are able to "vote" for more users to be eligible for DT1.

[aysg76]

I wonder if you have noticed anything similar, although I suppose that not in all cases people will have noticed that around the 200th position. I am sure that n0nce, for example, did not notice anything at that position and will certainly do so later, when he gets to the first 25 or so. But his is an exceptional case, which we should not consider the norm.

I have also seen sudden rise in my rank few months back only and that's because have devoted myself more to the forum increasing my knowledge and exploring different useful threads and reading books and articles to create thread and write some quality posts.So the results were in front of us and the same way you have also grown after the bitvest campaign and quality post to the forum helping others.

There are 54 participants in the CM campaign, 25 in the Best Change campaign and 22 in the [banned mixer] campaign. Maybe someone may have a member of these campaigns in mind who does not consider a quality poster, but the vast majority of them are. That would make about 100 members and we have to take into account that there are people who write with quality who are not part of those campaigns, either because they are part of other campaigns or because they don't wear a paid signature.

For sure those who are members of these campaign like CM and best change have all the quality posters as you can see they are most reputed campaign on the forum.Recently there were some slots open for CM campaign and see how many good members applied for it but only best one gets the chance.I would say the top 200-300 members are effective and quality posters on the forum.There are many in different campaigns also doing good.

What's the difference in the amount of merit between 200th and e.g. 150th position? Something like 200-300 merits, right?

I think the difference between ~400th position and the 200th position is about the same as 200th to 150th.

Yes you are right there is not much differences as @Poker Player is at 200^th position of mosr earned merits while I am at 155^th position and there is difference of 419 merits between both of us.So you see with this difference also there is only 45 positions difference in the rank.

So to climb up you'd have to earn than many merits more than others, and you're "competing" with mostly active quality* posters plus those damn hypermeritorious newbies who just zoom past everyone LOL... makes sense that it gets exponentially slower

Yes there is lot of merit competition and you have to be active on the forum giving your best even if you want 1-3 merits on your post and gradually rank up on your merit stats Speaking about newbies who has paced up their merit speed are also healthy competitor for us.

[Agbe]

Though I might not understand your concept on 200th merit. But all I want to say is that. Merit has been put in place in the forum as the highest point of ranking users. So everyone is trying to be merited even though when the post is not good enough to have merit. But as for member ranks, really most members post quality post even though they are not in any campaign. I believed they are posting it to educate people.

To have merit is a gradual process, there are sometimes you post a quality post yet no merit but comments to encourage you. To have merit one needs a lot of activities in the forum. It is your activities that will determine your merits and your ranks,
Quality posts are needed in all ranks for merit. 150, 200 and 300 are all in the same category.