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April 11, 2022, 07:28:39 PM
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WASHINGTON, April 6 (Reuters) - The White House held a classified briefing on Wednesday with some U.S. lawmakers on the dire risks to the American economy from semiconductor supply chain issues as it pushes Congress for $52 billion in funding to subsidize production.

White House National Economic Council Director Brian Deese told reporters "the best estimates are the lack of available semiconductors probably took a full percentage point off of GDP in 2021."

The briefing included Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo, Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen Hicks, National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan to "discuss the urgent need to invest in made-in-America semiconductors as well as research and development that will protect our economic and national security," the White House said.

A persistent industry-wide shortage of chips has disrupted production in the automotive and electronics industries, forcing some firms to scale back production. There have been growing calls to decrease reliance on other countries for semiconductors.

"A significant interruption to our supply of semiconductors could cause historic damage to the U.S. economy – damage far greater than the impact of chips shortages on the American auto industry right now – and would undercut our technological competitiveness and military advantages over adversaries globally," the White House said.

The White House has been pushing Congress to approve U.S. subsidies for semiconductor chips manufacturing after months of discussions.

The Senate first passed $52 billion in chips funding in June that also authorized $190 billion to strengthen U.S. technology and research to compete with China, while the House of Representatives passed its version in early February. Deese said he hopes both the Senate and House will appoint negotiators this week to "quickly" begin a formal process to finalize a compromise bill.

"The risks are profound," Deese said of what would the U.S. economy face with a severe disruption. Deese cited "economic moves by key competitors - most notably China around the escalating vulnerabilities we have from the semiconductor issue."

A Commerce Department analysis that was prepared for the briefing seen by Reuters noted semiconductor fabs take years to construct.

"There is no quick fix in the face of emergency," it said, adding private sector investment in U.S. chips production is not enough and "will not be sufficient to mitigate the risks associated with the current U.S. supply chain vulnerabilities."

The bills take different approaches to addressing U.S. competitiveness with China on a wide range of issues, as well on trade and some climate provisions.

The Biden administration notes the United States produced nearly 40% of all chips in 1990 while today it accounts for only 12% of global production.


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-house-warns-escalating-vulnerabilities-us-semiconductor-issue-2022-04-06/


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I don't understand how allocating $52 billion dollars to semiconductor subsidies, can boost global production of semiconductors.

Semiconductor foundries are already fully incentivized to maintain maximum production to boost profit margins. Throwing greater monetary incentives at them, shouldn't produce gains due to the fundamental nature of their business being production and volume oriented.

Details on these proposed spending plans are scarce and difficult to come by.

It is possible that funding will be funneled to intel and their new semiconductor foundries to fund expansion and development of recent movements to boost domestic production. But if that is the case, then why not simply come out and acknowledge it.
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April 11, 2022, 10:14:11 PM
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Hydrogen, this is the US government we're talking about and a request for funding from Congress.  So I don't know, can you make guns and ammunition out of silicon to airdrop to Ukraine, such that the public and Russia is none the wiser?  Who knows what goes on in these "classified" meetings.  Certainly not me, you, or anyone else not in the inner circles of power.

It does seem weird, and you're right to question it.  If I actually gave a shit I'd probably lazily browse a little further to figure out what the conspiracy theorists on the interwebz have to say about it.  But I don't.  If I cared, I'd have a massive anger management problem to deal with, and I'd rather enjoy life instead of being pissed off about things I have zero control over.

That's not advice to anyone else, by the way--I respect and admire people who stand up against assholes in the White House or Parliament or any holy temple of world power by trying to expose the emperor as being buck-ass nekked with pus-filled pimples on his ass the size of the elephant in the room that no one else dares to mention.  Me, I'm tired and defeated and jaded and disinterested.  But I do thank you for linking to the article.

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April 12, 2022, 02:36:57 AM
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The issue with this along with Germany’s shortage of natural gas is something that should of had a plan about 10 years ago. Right now they are funding all this semi conductor stuff however it’s going to take years for it to actually put out a single chip. It can’t happen over right. Same with Germany’s issue with natural gas and how it has to rely on Russia.

They should of had an actual in plan from 10 years ago thinking Putin might cut their supply and done something about it. Same with USA reliance’s on Chinas goods. It’s about time they start making products on shore instead of taking advantage of cheap Labour overseas.
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April 12, 2022, 03:57:18 AM
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The issue with this along with Germany’s shortage of natural gas is something that should of had a plan about 10 years ago. Right now they are funding all this semi conductor stuff however it’s going to take years for it to actually put out a single chip. It can’t happen over right. Same with Germany’s issue with natural gas and how it has to rely on Russia.

They should of had an actual in plan from 10 years ago thinking Putin might cut their supply and done something about it. Same with USA reliance’s on Chinas goods. It’s about time they start making products on shore instead of taking advantage of cheap Labour overseas.
This is one of the fundamental problems of Western democracy, when it really works - politicians and decision makers have a very short event planning horizon. Even ten years seems like a very long time to look into the future so far. But in reality, 2-3 years and it is already necessary to pay all attention to the next elections, and everything beyond two election terms sounds like "never". Some Japanese corporations are said to have a 300 year development strategy. Of course, this does not mean that today's Japan is the way it was conceived by Japanese strategists in the 18th century, because life always makes its own adjustments to any strategy. But if there is no strategy, then you simply flow along the river of life like a chip and all your actions come down to reflexes to external stimuli.

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April 12, 2022, 06:38:20 AM
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Taiwan is already far ahead of America in terms of developing the semi-conductor industry, and so far America has been too dependent on the production of semi-conductor from Taiwan ... it's time for them to be independent even though the development of this industry will be very costly and labor intensive. ,, but it will certainly benefit America.
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Hydrogen, this is the US government we're talking about and a request for funding from Congress.  So I don't know, can you make guns and ammunition out of silicon to airdrop to Ukraine, such that the public and Russia is none the wiser?  Who knows what goes on in these "classified" meetings.  Certainly not me, you, or anyone else not in the inner circles of power.

It does seem weird, and you're right to question it.  If I actually gave a shit I'd probably lazily browse a little further to figure out what the conspiracy theorists on the interwebz have to say about it.  But I don't.  If I cared, I'd have a massive anger management problem to deal with, and I'd rather enjoy life instead of being pissed off about things I have zero control over.

That's not advice to anyone else, by the way--I respect and admire people who stand up against assholes in the White House or Parliament or any holy temple of world power by trying to expose the emperor as being buck-ass nekked with pus-filled pimples on his ass the size of the elephant in the room that no one else dares to mention.  Me, I'm tired and defeated and jaded and disinterested.  But I do thank you for linking to the article.


During supply chain slow downs of 2020, tesla and other global automakers suffered production setbacks while waiting on delivery for semiconductor based components.

Elon Musk explored the option of buying his own semiconductor foundry to avoid chip slowdowns. And was immediately criticized by analysts who joked about Elon not being able to afford the cost.

It turns out the cost of a semiconductor foundry runs around $20 billion.

If $53 billion is allocated towards boosting semiconductor production, they could conceivably finance the construction of 2 new semiconductor foundries. It could be useful to know specifics of the deal to compare.

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April 12, 2022, 08:35:16 PM
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This is a very difficult question, but I think that the shortage of semiconductors, as always, is artificially created. As for the production of semiconductors, it seems to me that it makes no sense to invest huge taxpayers' money in the creation of a plant for the production of semiconductors. It may turn out that we will spend many years on development and creation, but in the end, no one will buy these semiconductors due to market saturation. And of course the question is - will the government want to invest in the long term? I think not.

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April 12, 2022, 09:01:06 PM
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The issue with this along with Germany’s shortage of natural gas is something that should of had a plan about 10 years ago. Right now they are funding all this semi conductor stuff however it’s going to take years for it to actually put out a single chip.

Lol.
So, what is intel doing right now? Cooking borscht or making chips?
What is Qualcomm doing?  Texas Instruments?

I don't understand how allocating $52 billion dollars to semiconductor subsidies, can boost global production of semiconductors.

New factories on US soil, simply as that, from Intel to TSMC
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-09/tsmc-confident-of-replacing-any-huawei-orders-lost-to-u-s-curbs
The new intel factories will cost about 20 billion each, they want at least half of that in subsidies from the state.

 

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