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April 21, 2022, 01:43:08 PM
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What do you think ? Are you going to play on these platforms? I do believe most of the users might already be using them and seeing this incentive get bigger would certainly bring joy with increasing the free game diversity on the sites.

Both CSGO and Dota2 I know very well, in both games I probably have 1k hours each. Initially CSGO was not free to play, and even today if you want to play competitively you need to pay. This is mostly to make it more expensive for cheaters to have alt accounts. Personally I prefer free to play games because it let's you try out game for free and see if you like them. Not like the battlefield where you pay 60 USD just to find out the older ones are more fun to play. I also like the monetization of free to play games where they add different cosmetics. So if you reallg enjoy a game and play it more regularly, you can spend some money. And there is no pay to win approach. But free to play games also have some issues, they mix players who only play for fun with competitive players together, that can lead to a toxic environment.
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April 21, 2022, 03:44:58 PM
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I doubt gamers would like to have some ads on their games, especially if it's a competitive one. It will hinder their focus and even take them out of their momentum if ever an ad interrupts their play. I know this because I'm a gamer myself, and it's extremely annoying to see an ad on screen no matter how small or how subtle it may seem. Platforms that run these games can still profit from other things, though, not just from ads.

Of course who would love to be distracted by the ads while on a tight game? I mean like even if we watch reels and short videos in other social media platforms, even listening to a music we didn't want to encounter such advertisements in the start or in the middle of the video right so how much more while on game? As a gamer too this is extremely annoying and that should be noted by any e-sports sites if they wanted to attract more gamers.
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Honestly, I think it's one of the reasons that the popular game Rocket League became free to play, since esports is a big thing for not only bringing in money from sponsorships for the teams participating, but it also brings eyes on the game for a lot longer than it would without esports.

The most popular games which happen to have a massive viewership via Esports is also the ones which are free to play. I don't think that's by accident.
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April 21, 2022, 04:27:52 PM
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I doubt gamers would like to have some ads on their games, especially if it's a competitive one. It will hinder their focus and even take them out of their momentum if ever an ad interrupts their play. I know this because I'm a gamer myself, and it's extremely annoying to see an ad on screen no matter how small or how subtle it may seem. Platforms that run these games can still profit from other things, though, not just from ads.

Of course who would love to be distracted by the ads while on a tight game? I mean like even if we watch reels and short videos in other social media platforms, even listening to a music we didn't want to encounter such advertisements in the start or in the middle of the video right so how much more while on game? As a gamer to this is extremely annoying and that should be noted by any e-sports sites if they wanted to attract more gamers.

I don't think that's an effective idea because it could affect the whole gameplay negatively. The players would also have a hard time focusing on the game because of ads. It's something that a site should consider. So far, I haven't encountered sites that have ads during the game.
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April 21, 2022, 04:54:03 PM
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Honestly, I think it's one of the reasons that the popular game Rocket League became free to play, since esports is a big thing for not only bringing in money from sponsorships for the teams participating, but it also brings eyes on the game for a lot longer than it would without esports.

The most popular games which happen to have a massive viewership via Esports is also the ones which are free to play. I don't think that's by accident.

Yes, and the biggest tournaments on online games are held by free to play games (LoL, Dota 2, etc.). No such thing as barring other people from playing and enjoying the game just because they can't buy it. Also, the creators still benefit a lot from the in-game cosmetics purchased by people and that's how you create a market for your game.

Paid games often have their tournaments too, but because not everyone can buy the game, not everyone can relate, hence the low viewership and low prize pool on said games.

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April 21, 2022, 05:43:06 PM
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I'm rather confused. Aren't most E-Sports titles free to play anyway?
Same. I thought DOTA is free and so is Counter Strike. I am confused too. Valorant is free as I checked their website. Why would they need to recreate if they could just enhance the quality of the game.
I think it's the entry fees in tournaments that should be given out for free occasionally to invite more players that have no capitals or managers to support them. Who knows if there is a gifted player in the slums who cannot afford anything and just renting a computer to play the game in his free time will become the new star of E-sports.
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April 21, 2022, 05:51:31 PM
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The first game developed for Esports Technologies will centre around the Counter Strike: Global Offensive marketplace, with further plans to develop Dota 2, League of Legends and Valorant-inspired games

Hard to imagine a game inspired on those classics is going to be a trend. It's like expecting an altcoin is going to surpass bitcoin. Clones or imitations aren't likely to please the public. For games developers it's better to focus on original, fresh ideas. That is something the gaming niche is lacking right now. There is nothing new around, every games are (bad) copies of good concepts from the past two decades, which worked perfectly back then.

Personally, I would like to see e-sports growing with RTS games, but I have no hopes regard that, because I know RTS genre isn't popular and there are no significant investment and development on this field. Anyway, if it happened for real, I would be glad to play those games. I follow some RTS games tournaments with cash prizes, but the number of views is too low as are the prizes.

Although CSGO is old, I'm certain to play it when there is incentive in doing so. Any one could make money can motivate someone.
I would imagine easy access for someone and every kill will make you money will be a good concept, just imagine a lot of us in one map waiting for a shadow on our cross sight. Its exciting to see how much you'd win when you defuse a bomb or successfully bombed the area.
CSGO is still a very popular game, despite its old age. For FPS fans it's a great, simple and fast game, but are hosts/game's support able to fight bots and cheats in real time in a game like that? There was a popular cheat players downloaded, allowing them to aim the head of adversaries automatically, achieving the so desirable "headshot". In official tournaments it's harder to see this happening, because the group of participating players is restricted, select and have already built their reputation along several years, sometimes. However, in a massive arena where everyone can play and earn money, it's 100% sure there will be trickery, like in NFT games and even some popular MMORPGs people use to make money from.

Counter Strike is one of those games who withstood the test of time- from its very first version, to 1.6, to source, and to Global Offensive. It has numerous versions wherein lots of active players still play to this day. While there may be emerging FPS games which introduce unique and flavorful ideas, I still consider CSGO as the king of online FPS where gambling activities can be actively held.

Though CSGO has been categorized as the biggest FPS game, there are however, lots of cheats which continues to damage its reputation on the field. With regard betting, there was an incident before where a player in India (Forsaken) cheated in an official tournament.

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April 21, 2022, 05:52:54 PM
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I'm rather confused. Aren't most E-Sports titles free to play anyway?
Same. I thought DOTA is free and so is Counter Strike. I am confused too. Valorant is free as I checked their website. Why would they need to recreate if they could just enhance the quality of the game.
I think it's the entry fees in tournaments that should be given out for free occasionally to invite more players that have no capitals or managers to support them. Who knows if there is a gifted player in the slums who cannot afford anything and just renting a computer to play the game in his free time will become the new star of E-sports.

Yeah, Most of the E-sports games are free but you will need to purchase in-game items if you want to have a visual upgrades on your characters which is what makes this game expensive to play for some players that wants to buy items. There's also no entry fee on any tournament since it's sponsored.

The Esports that being discussed base on the Article attached is the company called Esports Technology and not the general E-sports. They are planning to develop a free to play game that copy all the games mentioned since it's the most effective games to attract audience but this time for betting purposes.

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April 21, 2022, 07:09:34 PM
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I don't really think that e-sports games(like CS:GO) can be considered gambling games.
Games with paid in-game items aren't gambling,because the players don't play with the expectation of winning anything or making profits.They are buying expensive in-game items,in order to win the game and have some fun,not to make money.Perhaps such games will begin shifting to a more gambling oriented business model.
Anyway,this is good news.More free-to-play game is good news for the average gamer,who is most likely a financially broke teenager,using his mom's credit card to buy in-game items on such games. Grin


If I am not mistaken, I once played an event in Dota 2 wherein you and your opponent's team would pick items in your inventory. It is a gamble already and it was exciting, whoever wins takes the items, and as far as I know those items way back are already unique in this moment and have some real money value in it. They have already done it so it is nothing new to old players. Aside from that, there are 3rd party sites that continued that on, wherein you can gamble your in game items, winners of a major league, or even in the TI. I am player of Dota 2 after all.
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April 21, 2022, 08:50:47 PM
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I don't really think that e-sports games(like CS:GO) can be considered gambling games.
Games with paid in-game items aren't gambling,because the players don't play with the expectation of winning anything or making profits.They are buying expensive in-game items,in order to win the game and have some fun,not to make money.Perhaps such games will begin shifting to a more gambling oriented business model.
Anyway,this is good news.More free-to-play game is good news for the average gamer,who is most likely a financially broke teenager,using his mom's credit card to buy in-game items on such games. Grin


If I am not mistaken, I once played an event in Dota 2 wherein you and your opponent's team would pick items in your inventory. It is a gamble already and it was exciting, whoever wins takes the items, and as far as I know those items way back are already unique in this moment and have some real money value in it. They have already done it so it is nothing new to old players. Aside from that, there are 3rd party sites that continued that on, wherein you can gamble your in game items, winners of a major league, or even in the TI. I am player of Dota 2 after all.
There are indeed sites which you could really make your items to be bet on since they do actually have some real value and if you do win then you would get even more depending on how much
you had staked on.Its been a while or already been here before this thing been talked or considered upon and now its good to see that there are e-sports based bookies which do really
add up these games for us to bet on- not totally as a player but as a gambler.

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April 21, 2022, 10:36:43 PM
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Honestly, I think it's one of the reasons that the popular game Rocket League became free to play, since esports is a big thing for not only bringing in money from sponsorships for the teams participating, but it also brings eyes on the game for a lot longer than it would without esports.

The most popular games which happen to have a massive viewership via Esports is also the ones which are free to play. I don't think that's by accident.

This is what I also stand with the topic. I don't really know why people sees e-sports to be those that requires payment, as most major streamed games that had tons of sponsorships and tournaments with big prize pool are free to play. Isn't all the games popular today started to be free? All of the current mainstream games now only relies on the in-game market such as selling skins and etc -- still a free-to-play, just your choice if u want more elegance in your items throughout the game.

Also, isn't sports in general are mostly either 1v1, 2v2, and so on? (basically multiplayer in a single match) Therefore esports composes of those games that have multiplayer in it. Are there any lists that you guys know which games are mainstream games that have tournaments and are not free??

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April 21, 2022, 11:29:33 PM
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I'm rather confused. Aren't most E-Sports titles free to play anyway?
Same. I thought DOTA is free and so is Counter Strike. I am confused too. Valorant is free as I checked their website. Why would they need to recreate if they could just enhance the quality of the game.
I think it's the entry fees in tournaments that should be given out for free occasionally to invite more players that have no capitals or managers to support them. Who knows if there is a gifted player in the slums who cannot afford anything and just renting a computer to play the game in his free time will become the new star of E-sports.
I'm kinda confused too but maybe it's for players who loves to gamble and play the game at the same time that's why they have to create something that's more focused on a player that couldn't afford the game. Yes, I believe there are great players out there even if they aren't that rich but their talent is different to every players that you can compare them much like as a pro player.

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Honestly, I think it's one of the reasons that the popular game Rocket League became free to play, since esports is a big thing for not only bringing in money from sponsorships for the teams participating, but it also brings eyes on the game for a lot longer than it would without esports.

The most popular games which happen to have a massive viewership via Esports is also the ones which are free to play. I don't think that's by accident.

Yes, and the biggest tournaments on online games are held by free to play games (LoL, Dota 2, etc.). No such thing as barring other people from playing and enjoying the game just because they can't buy it. Also, the creators still benefit a lot from the in-game cosmetics purchased by people and that's how you create a market for your game.

Paid games often have their tournaments too, but because not everyone can buy the game, not everyone can relate, hence the low viewership and low prize pool on said games.
To this I will add that the hardware requirements need to be on the low side, because even if a game is free to play if you require to invest thousands of dollars on your PC to play the game the amount of people that can pay that is very reduced, diminishing the universe of players the developers can reach, but if the specs are low and you can play the game decently even with a cheap processor then this increases their audience and the possibility of reaching a high level of popularity in the future.

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Now e-sports technologies and incentive games have now entered a license agreement where they would be providing the users more free to play games using their algorithms based on free to play games in the casinos as well. This can be a game changer since most of the times in e-sports having to pay to wager and play can be a big deal for small players, this can not only help them secure a wide range of audience but it can also help change the whole e-sports gaming as a whole.
This is a little confusing. What do you mean by "they have to pay to wager"? I haven't seen any such e-sports betting. I mean, they let you wager as long as you have funds to place bets.
And what do you mean by free to play bets? Place bets without using any of your own funds? How is this going to work?
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I guess in order to address this problem, viewers must have the option to freely choose on which player to watch their POV.
I guess most of you haven't watched e-sports broadcasts. I have seen some and if you watch them in game, you do have the option to choose freely which ever player's point of view you want.

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April 22, 2022, 05:50:00 AM
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Same. I thought DOTA is free and so is Counter Strike. I am confused too. Valorant is free as I checked their website. Why would they need to recreate if they could just enhance the quality of the game.
I think it's the entry fees in tournaments that should be given out for free occasionally to invite more players that have no capitals or managers to support them. Who knows if there is a gifted player in the slums who cannot afford anything and just renting a computer to play the game in his free time will become the new star of E-sports.
Well, they could show their skills by naturally climbing up the competitive ladders of each respective game (though I must admit, some games have really bad climbing logic such as Apex). Pretty sure there's been a few players out there who've been scouted, one well known of such is Topson from Dota2.

Yeah, Most of the E-sports games are free but you will need to purchase in-game items if you want to have a visual upgrades on your characters which is what makes this game expensive to play for some players that wants to buy items. There's also no entry fee on any tournament since it's sponsored.
Pretty sure those visual upgrades as you said, are only visual. Cosmetics so to speak, and they aren't a requirement when you want to play or join a tournament.

Games with paid in-game items aren't gambling,because the players don't play with the expectation of winning anything or making profits.They are buying expensive in-game items,in order to win the game and have some fun,not to make money.Perhaps such games will begin shifting to a more gambling oriented business model.
Well putting out a gambling model for games that let players have incentives on whatever they'd gain based on gambling might put the balance or the economy (I'm assuming there'd be one) of the game. It's mostly why we don't (or rarely) see MMO's in the E-Sports scene

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April 22, 2022, 06:19:06 AM
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Lots of gamers around the world would be happy to be incentivized for the hours they put in to the game. A lot of people are dreaming to get inside the world of esports like their idols, but in order to do this, lots of huge sacrifices should be made first before they can even enter this lucrative world. If someone can bring it closer to a lot of people, it will definitely be a hit and lots will support it. The video gaming industry is still expanding, and if they can integrate gambling, incentives, and gaming all in one, it will be a nice niche market that a lot of people can enjoy.
I guess having these incentives will bring more satisfaction to all esports players as they are putting most of their time for these video games. Esports like Counter strike and Dota 2 have attracted a lot of players and if they can integrate gambling in all these entertainment games, this will make the whole esports industry become more mainstream, and definitely gain more support and acceptance even in gambling industry.

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I'm rather confused. Aren't most E-Sports titles free to play anyway?
Same. I thought DOTA is free and so is Counter Strike. I am confused too. Valorant is free as I checked their website. Why would they need to recreate if they could just enhance the quality of the game.
I think it's the entry fees in tournaments that should be given out for free occasionally to invite more players that have no capitals or managers to support them. Who knows if there is a gifted player in the slums who cannot afford anything and just renting a computer to play the game in his free time will become the new star of E-sports.
Before, CSGO isn't free to play. You have to purchase the actual game for you to play it and the same goes with PUBG. In Dota 2, it's actually free to play but before there was the craze with the keys.

It was where most of the players spent their money as they play the game.

The majority of the esports game is really for free. And if they're going to incentivize these games and make way for most players to earn from it, for sure their player count is going to skyrocket.

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I doubt gamers would like to have some ads on their games, especially if it's a competitive one. It will hinder their focus and even take them out of their momentum if ever an ad interrupts their play. I know this because I'm a gamer myself, and it's extremely annoying to see an ad on screen no matter how small or how subtle it may seem. Platforms that run these games can still profit from other things, though, not just from ads.

Of course who would love to be distracted by the ads while on a tight game? I mean like even if we watch reels and short videos in other social media platforms, even listening to a music we didn't want to encounter such advertisements in the start or in the middle of the video right so how much more while on game? As a gamer too this is extremely annoying and that should be noted by any e-sports sites if they wanted to attract more gamers.
I hate unsolicited advertisement whenever I am in my computer or gadget, actually those who had surprised ads? mostly i prevent from using again unless very important to me.

We love no interception , because our momentum and our strategy at some point losing , so this would be best to be addressed in all online gaming we are having lol.









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Lots of gamers around the world would be happy to be incentivized for the hours they put in to the game. A lot of people are dreaming to get inside the world of esports like their idols, but in order to do this, lots of huge sacrifices should be made first before they can even enter this lucrative world. If someone can bring it closer to a lot of people, it will definitely be a hit and lots will support it. The video gaming industry is still expanding, and if they can integrate gambling, incentives, and gaming all in one, it will be a nice niche market that a lot of people can enjoy.
I guess having these incentives will bring more satisfaction to all esports players as they are putting most of their time for these video games. Esports like Counter strike and Dota 2 have attracted a lot of players and if they can integrate gambling in all these entertainment games, this will make the whole esports industry become more mainstream, and definitely gain more support and acceptance even in gambling industry.
If it really provides incentives to gamers, they will play longer than before.
And we already know that gamers can play longer than ordinary people.
They will be competing to get more incentives and certainly, it will invite more people to try the game.
I can't imagine that new technology, but it will be more interesting than before.
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That would be a great news for everyone who loves playing such popular game like what you've mentioned above because now while playing they can earn at the same time as well.  And yes i agreed that it's a totally a game changer for all gamers and surely there will be more upcoming e sports games in the near future after this because that's how the trend starts..
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