Newbies Hodle and profit in a Pumps and Dumps market.

[Franctoshi]

• For some people that wants to hodle for long time and needs to take advantage of the market during pumps and dumps,
  * One can hodle in the process and still spin out some profits while you still maintain same amount of coin in your bag or  
  * increase it hodling portfolio by reinvesting the profits following this methods I use.
                                                1.
  In a case you're hodling a particular bag of coin during  Pumps and dumps market like the current senario we have in the market right now, one can leverage the opportunity either by profiting or increasing your portfolio by doing this
                                        
  Let's assume you're holding a bag of mobox (200) which you got around $2 and the market pumps all the way to $3-$4,
   I will sell and take profit at $3.
  Let's do the math.
  Buying price  -    200×$2 = $400
  Selling price   -   200×$3 = $600
  Subtract - Buying price - Selling price
  Profit realized - $600 - $400 = $200.
  
                                               2.
  In this step what I will do is to wait for a dump towards $2.5 or
  Then set a buy order to same amount of 200 mobox now @$2.5 .
  
  Let's do the math too.
  Buying price -200×$2.5 = $500
  Total capital - $600- $500= $100
  Left Profit  realized = $100
  i.e after buying back 200 Mobox.
  
  Let's say you want to increase your bag,
  Using realized profit - $100÷$2.5 = 40
  Total coin in portfolio - 200+40 =240
  We now have 40 Mobox added to our portfolio to be 240 Mobox.
  
  This method  is for guidelines, so you can choose a price target that suits you so far the market continues to pump and dump.

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[uchegod-21]

This is a very good tutorial for beginners and I am sure some pros do it and it actually works.
The title you gave this topic is inducing confusion in the main body of the topic. I said this because, in a pump and dump scheme, when the market dumps on you, you might not recover until the coin goes into extinction.
It will be better if you say during bull and bear markets, green and red, high and low or dip. Using Pump and dump could be throwing the whole thing out of context.

[sunsilk]

That's really how it goes.

But when you've mentioned 'hodl'. It goes by a long term of holding and since you've just given an example, it's more than the profit that can be projected with that example.

Not just a 2x or 3x but more than that or with the time that you've set on how long you're going to hold. Also, that's the usual way of holding, you can always cut it off as long as you've made profit.

[tranthidung]

My advice goes to

• Take profit when price goes up high enough to do it. Be happy when you take profit no matter how the price will move later (even if it rises 2-fold, 4-fold more later)
• How many proportion of your initial investment should be taken profit?
  
  • You should have plan to take profit partially, not all at once
  • You should take profit to retrieve your initial capital back. Assume it requires 50% of your total token. Then for rest 50%, you can take profit next times with 20%, 20% and 10%. Make sure you reserve 10% or 20% of your initial token as your bet.
  • It is a safe strategy because: (1) You already get initial capital back, so no loss in the end; (2) Already take profit, so it's already a good investment, no loss and somewhat profit; (3) the reserved part will help you rich in case that token has 50x, 100x
• After you take profit, forget about that token. The longer time you stay with it, the more risk you will be trapped by the market

[Darker45]

That's trading. That's not hodling. And if you want to HODL a particular coin for a long time, you wouldn't be keeping it in an exchange wallet. You would withdraw that coin and store it in a wallet whose private keys are under your sole control.

Anyway, you're illustrating and making things look more complicated. But that's the basic arithmetic for somebody who wishes to trade. After all, trading simply means buy low sell high. But it is easier planned than done. Prices do not just go up and down all the time. Oftentimes, they go up and up and up, or down and down and down, or up and down and down and down, and so on.

Been there done that. The result is that I've got a lot of coins and orders stuck in the exchange.

[Despairo]

The thing is those are just an expectations and guides, but the reality is different from your expectations and guides. You can easily say when the price increase 30% you will sell it and after it decrease 30% you will buy again. The reality is you bought the price on $2/each and the price decrease to $1/each, you will scared and continue to hold, but the price now is $0.5/each. Or let's say the price is increase to $2.2/each, but you thought $0.2/each profit is small, so you wait until it reach $3/each. But after several days, the price now decrease to $1.5/each.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Thats technically a brief explanation of proper trading. You sell when it goes high and buy back when it goes down. Im sure there are many who are doing this, as typical description of buy low and sell high. I am doing this too, and somehow able to grab some profits. You can even set a higher price target so you would have more profits. If thats the selling point is still too low. Anyway, profit is profit.

[Hyphen(-)]

A very good and brief explanation about how to get involved in profit, that's a very good guide, I hope it keep working that way as we all know how market fluctuates sometimes. But all its a matter of luck and this brief explanation will take us away from been greedy.

[Lucius]

No one mentions taxes, and in most countries where cryptocurrencies are regulated, the income tax is above 10%, although it is mostly at a rate between 20% and even more than 50% (if I'm not mistaken in Japan) for those who profit the most. Of course you can forget the whole tax thing if you have methods to avoid tax control, but for those who use their bank accounts and centralized crypto exchanges, it's only a matter of time before you are invited to explain the origin of the money in your accounts.

[hugeblack]

There are three main problems with pumping and differentiating coins:

 - It is rarely to rising ATH again: Note that most of the altcoins fail to return to previous ATH levels.
 - The price of the rise is instant and in short periods: if you notice, the currency may reach the highest peak for only 10 minutes.
 - Trading volumes are controlled: many people fail to execute sell orders when the currency price goes crazy.
 - taxes and capital gain: most of crypto trading are taxed.

Therefore, your model presented is not suitable for those Pump/dump coins

But if your intention is to benefit from the pumping/dumping of the main cryptos, then this is how you make a profit from trading.

[Franctoshi]

This is a very good tutorial for beginners and I am sure some pros do it and it actually works.
The title you gave this topic is inducing confusion in the main body of the topic. I said this because, in a pump and dump scheme, when the market dumps on you, you might not recover until the coin goes into extinction.
It will be better if you say during bull and bear markets, green and red, high and low or dip. Using Pump and dump could be throwing the whole thing out of context.

Noted and Got your point, but the whole idea or main information I'm trying to convey can be achieved only in a pump and dump market, so that was the purpose of using it as the subject matter. The thread particularly concerns the long term investor or holders not short term investor.

using the current market senario as a case study,
Imagine someone who used this method during this recent pumps and dumps should have got his portfolio increased or some sort of profits irrespective of wether the market drops on you or not because you're not looking into cashing out now you're looking into the future hodling for at least the period of 5 years , 10 years or more .

[Franctoshi]

That's really how it goes.

But when you've mentioned 'hodl'. It goes by a long term of holding and since you've just given an example, it's more than the profit that can be projected with that example.

Not just a 2x or 3x but more than that or with the time that you've set on how long you're going to hold. Also, that's the usual way of holding, you can always cut it off as long as you've made profit.

Either ways, I did use either to profit or to increase your portfolio because we have different choices, so you can't take away the fact that some people will just choose to either maintain the same amount in the their portfolio while they take out those side profits and ride on, so it's just base on the choice of the investor to choose what they want.

[Franctoshi]

There are three main problems with pumping and differentiating coins:

 - It is rarely to rising ATH again: Note that most of the altcoins fail to return to previous ATH levels.
 - The price of the rise is instant and in short periods: if you notice, the currency may reach the highest peak for only 10 minutes.
 - Trading volumes are controlled: many people fail to execute sell orders when the currency price goes crazy.
 - taxes and capital gain: most of crypto trading are taxed.

Therefore, your model presented is not suitable for those Pump/dump coins

But if your intention is to benefit from the pumping/dumping of the main cryptos, then this is how you make a profit from trading.

The main idea is focused mainly on the dumping/pumping of the main cryptocurrency, though I didn't state it clear.
I guess majority of long term investors go into investing in the main crypto for safety purposes.
Using buy and sell order and targeting price levels that could easily be achieved, though your capital matters .

[uchegod-21]

This is a very good tutorial for beginners and I am sure some pros do it and it actually works.
The title you gave this topic is inducing confusion in the main body of the topic. I said this because, in a pump and dump scheme, when the market dumps on you, you might not recover until the coin goes into extinction.
It will be better if you say during bull and bear markets, green and red, high and low or dip. Using Pump and dump could be throwing the whole thing out of context.

The thread particularly concerns the long term investor or holders not short term investor.
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Because you're not looking into cashing out now you're looking into the future hodling for at least the period of 5 years , 10 years or more .

Ok, if what you discussed above is for long term holders. It it like what a trader will use and be making money. If someone wants to hold a coin for 5 to 10yrs. The person will first research the coin if it will still be in market for 5 to 10yrs. After the research he will buy and will just forget the coin. You cannot buy a coin to keep for many years and still have time to be checking your portfolio everytime.

[Franctoshi]

The thing is those are just an expectations and guides, but the reality is different from your expectations and guides. You can easily say when the price increase 30% you will sell it and after it decrease 30% you will buy again. The reality is you bought the price on $2/each and the price decrease to $1/each, you will scared and continue to hold, but the price now is $0.5/each. Or let's say the price is increase to $2.2/each, but you thought $0.2/each profit is small, so you wait until it reach $3/each. But after several days, the price now decrease to $1.5/each.

That is why I clearly stated Long term investors and I believe you being a long term investor you're not in haste to sell wait for the market to come to you as it has always happened in the present market situation for the past 3 months now, meaning that you should have achievable selling and buying point (good entry and good exit ) don't be greedy and then apply patient.

[Green Land]

This is clear explain with the mathematical breaking it down base on individual profit expectation on the market movement, but the the word Hold, is for a long term holding, which pumps can add a great return investment.

[pooya87]

The main problem I see here is that you are assuming that the price of a pump and dump shitcoin you are bag holding is going to move in your favor. That is not realistic specially because of the type of the coin. In other words if you are bag holding something at $2 the most probably outcome is that it stays there and slowly loses value ($2 > $1.99 > $1.98) and it encourages more bag holding because you can't just sell at a small loss while continue losing money little by little.

The better strategy in my opinion is to not bag hold such shitcoins in first place but only buy them when you see the price is pumping from $2. This way you may think you are losing on a little bit of profit but you are actually reducing the risk you are taking and tremendously reducing the losses you could have experienced. You just buy at something like $2.2 then dump at $2.9.
The best thing about this strategy is that your money is not locked up in some shitcoin forever wishing it would pump so that you can sell it. You always have your liquidity ready and can jump from shitcoin A to shitcoin B all the way to shitcoin Z and make small profit from all of them consistently.
Obviously this is a lot of work but making money is never easy!

[GeorgeJohn]

Every one have it strategic way of trading, but op, it's advisable to buy coin when the price or market is low so that profit will be made, and selling of coins is good to sell when you see that profit will arrive at a given time and wait to return to the market to buy when the price goes low, what makes people lose both their capitals and profit, is because they are greedy enough and also anticipating that the market will keep accelerating to bump the market, so at give time of profit you are encouraged to withdraw and make your Profit.