Why some promising newbies fail in the forum.

[ShowOff]

So far there are 3 newbies who are interested in this forum after they know I have been here for a long time. It's true they only think that this forum is about money when in fact they never know anything about crypto even they never know what bitcoin is.

Their main motivation for being on this forum is because of money and I think that makes it too difficult for them to get out of the wrong zone to move up the rank up to higher ranks because from the start they have maximized their time just to be bounty hunter. I'm trying to tell you that this forum isn't always about money, but it doesn't really matter to anyone who only cares about money.

I can confirm that as of today they are still newbie as they only focus on bounty. There's nothing I can do for them though I can say that they can rank up by increasing contributions through quality posts but I have to fail about that and let it go with its interests.

[Mpamaegbu]

4. Forum Attacks and/or Policing:
Some promising newbies upon arriving this forum recieve a hostile welcome. To already members of the forum, it might seem normal, but a genuine (first time) newbie who knows nothing about how things work here, may immediately say goodbye to the forum. This would have been my fate

Sadly, this is the case most times and I believe the harshness sometimes is unnecessary. However, to stay real on this, I think some newbies act overbearingly and that could irritate certain users. The end result of such irritation is often harshness. I sympathize with genuine newbies who get such toughness melted on them and they wrongly conclude that every senior ranked account is snobbish like that. I normally find it a problem with newbie accounts which masquerade as experts in what they know next to nothing. Also, for instance, we often see newbies who come here to advertize trading tools, ask for loan or offer loan services, advertise and vouch for sites they largely don't know anything about. Such newbies may not be treated as innocent and genuine newbies. They've something sinister up their sleeves.

[Markinzo]

The OP is one i must applaud for taking out time to draft down such informations at least for the benefit of the newbie's and prospective ones.

But I wish to draw the OP attention to the area of NEGATIVE TRUST, I believe negative trust as a tag is aimed at deterring any user from involving in scam activities and others alike, and also as a red flag to other genuine members in the forum to be on alert with the possibility that they might be dealing with a scammer so as to take caution.

Which is very welcomed and ingenious.

Though ignorance is not an excuse to the law cause some might use ignorance as a defense when that's not the case, but in  few cases  a very few could just be victimized especially through a misuse of negative trust tag and or out of an act of ignorance, lack of knowledge from the victim with negative trust etc.

In all what am saying is, certain cases should be well investigated and scrutinized before a negative trust tag, though some might worth it but a very few in my opinion might not be.

Such victimization could demoralized a user moral and interest to give his/her best in the forum.

[mu_enrico]

Also, remember that this is a discussion forum, and therefore has a lot of users signing up to ask questions, without ever intending on staying on the forum. The thing is, there's no mission, and there's no expectation that a new user is going to try, and reach the highest rank....

Yep, it pretty much sums up what I feel as well.

Also, remember that users' interest in Bitcoin and cryptocurrency cannot last forever. I mean, only a fraction of users can keep their passion and hunger for crypto topics, the rest could get bored, and need a new "hobby." That's pretty common in any communities (I call it "natural selection," lol).

I feel this topic comes from the perspective of increasing rank for the sake of a signature campaign.

[Taskford]

Also, remember that this is a discussion forum, and therefore has a lot of users signing up to ask questions, without ever intending on staying on the forum. The thing is, there's no mission, and there's no expectation that a new user is going to try, and reach the highest rank....

Yep, it pretty much sums up what I feel as well.

Also, remember that users' interest in Bitcoin and cryptocurrency cannot last forever. I mean, only a fraction of users can keep their passion and hunger for crypto topics, the rest could get bored, and need a new "hobby." That's pretty common in any communities (I call it "natural selection," lol).

I feel this topic comes from the perspective of increasing rank for the sake of a signature campaign.

Not gaining anything will make them fail and only few newbie can last long here since some of them aiming to earn quickly so if they cannot get something in return for staying here they leave and find another things that can possibly catch up their interest. Maybe for now its good to see them quit but for sure they will be back if bitcoin price soar up and many opportunities open up again for them to grab on.

[KingsDen]

"Effervescence" - where something starts up very vigorously and burns out all the energy that they could habe used to get a while further. Not like i'm trying to undermine newbies who have started very well, but in my opinion, it is best for me and always good if you start slowly as a newbie and pick up speed here in the forum, rather than starting really well and slowing down to almost a stop along the way.

I think I understand this. Some newbies start as if forum will close in one month time and before one month they have given all that they have and then becomes bored. Next is to die gradually or exit the forum. Lolx..
May I liking it to this;

Also, remember that users' interest in Bitcoin and cryptocurrency cannot last forever. I mean, only a fraction of users can keep their passion and hunger for crypto topics, the rest could get bored, and need a new "hobby." That's pretty common in any communities (I call it "natural selection," lol).

The above statements are pointing same direction and correct. Though Welsh has clarified that this is a discussion forum and people may naturally get tired of the discussion and find another way of life.

[BIT-BENDER]

I would be very brief on why so many potential great newbies fails, one thing is certain they want to move faster than they can cope with, I have seen many newbies get there first 20 merit and then feel so reluctant and become very complacent or many that goes faster than their knowledge can carry then, the best solution for any Newbie right now is to understand that patient is a great value to have and become great in this forum.

[Viscore]

Under the point called under-meriting is because some newbies didn't post constructive that won't be merited for that reason and some didn't get merited even if the post is merit worthy. I have said in my other post that I know someone who is a  newbie and are introduced in Bitcointalk correctly but still he did do a plagiarism which gets him banned even though I told him about the forum rules. Some knows about Bitcointalk the wrong way so those newbies will surely quit.

I guess that is expected for most of the newbies that they are not yet capable to make constructive post since they still lack the knowledge and experience, unless you're a professional newbie. And yeah, i do really believe that there are boards here in the forum that are often to receive mostly the merits compared to the other boards, but maybe because some of them are certainly quality posters so they deserve the merit. However, when it comes to plagiarism, that is a big violation in the forum and will definitely make the owner of that account permanently banned.

[isaac_clarke22]

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This.
This is exactly what I am actually. Although I am here to just chill and join discussion, I do not have the desire to rank up nor establish myself in here that's why I do not initiate topics unless I really need to, otherwise I just use the search feature when I am searching for an answer.
In other forums as well like Reddit, I do not really aim for getting a millions of karma. I usually just read there and join with the discussion of each subreddits that I am interested at. This is not a workplace where you are needed to grow once you got involved in here.

[KingsDen]

OP, I want to tell you that your post is the most adequate guide, and you are the same person who felt every point you described. And right now it looks very right since you have acquired not only "thick skin", but also good skills.

Thanks for the acknowledgement and seeing my guide as adequate. Yes, I fit myself into many points I wrote above. It is not long I joined this forum, so the chronicles of my growth is still fresh in my memory.

I also remember my attacks on you when you, as described in the first paragraph, wanted to grow up quickly.

Tbh, I was fed up with the attacks then as it bothered me so much. But, immediately I started seeing the attacks as constructive criticism, I learnt to deal with them and use them to shapen myself.

But today, please accept my respect and advice to all beginners to use this topic as a good parting word for further growth.

Thank you so much. I am glad you can say this to me. Meanwhile, you sent me to your distrust list then, am I still there?

Based on this, I can also summarize that the example of a beginner who grew up before our eyes was combined with such qualities as friendliness, acceptance of criticism, understanding, and correcting one's mistakes. And also a strong desire to prove to everyone that you should not give up, longing to be noticed on this forum. Again, ambition is a very good quality.

Your choice of words and grammatical arrangements seems like a poet. I appreciate your efforts personally and to all newbies who show inclination to become good forum users.

[Ziskinberg]

Nice thread OP, I think this is good summarize for the thigns newbie should read. However, I think the words with hyperlink is confusing to others. When Ive clicked it I thought Im gonna direct to a certain thread detailining the words but instead to the samw thread in which it was explained. I think its better to change that into a bold instead. Just a suggestion.

Just exactly what i did. But thanks OP for sharing all of these as they may be very vital to make them aware and never fail in the forum. For newbies, its always an edge if you keep learning everyday through research and experience. Since you will never come to fully understand all of these just by mere reading. But when you come to experience failure, hopefully you will learn to figure out and reflect on these.

[nurilham]

A good thread, it's true that in this forum we have to be careful in acting especially when it comes to the rules in this forum. for a beginner, it is important for him to grow and learn well the things that can or cannot be done so as not to violate the rules of this forum. Ambition is good but if you are in a hurry and rash in doing something then it will affect our mindset and behavior so that sometimes it becomes a boomerang for ourselves. A beginner can grow well and be successful if he understands his goals and responsibility for himself. , so he will be more careful and try hard to grow well in learning the crypto world.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Thanks very much. The essence of the hyperlinks taking you same to the thread is, when a thread is somehow long, not everyone has the time and patience to read through. So, with the hyperlink (contents), one can decide to click a particular content that is of interest to him/her, read it and goes away. I don't know if you understand me.

Yeah I get your point. Ive just thought that these hyperlinks are connected to others thread where there is a much more explanation to thr topic. Ive mentioned since most bullet hyperlink threads are always like that when tou noticed too.

But there is not much an issue there, just suggesting it but its always up to the OP to deliberate design to his thread.

[GeorgeJohn]

Your observations over newbies failure and post unmerited are awesome, but you need to know that not board the post or thread are cited is the factor of not earning surplus merit alone..one of the other factor that can contribute to that, is the arrangements of the worlds or the composition.

some of them may come up with good title and end up with wrong arrangements..so any place you create your thread provided is quality people who come across it and like the article will show appreciation by merit.. because some quality thread that has been created after two months or fives months do gets merit whenever someone visited the user profile.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Thank you so much. I am glad you can say this to me. Meanwhile, then you sent me to your distrust list, I'm I still there?

Not true. I was surprised by this joke. I don't even remember when I removed you from there. Likewise, I think a very long time ago. You must have bookmarked that page, as you are not on my list today.
I have long understood you and your friendliness to the forum. Therefore, of course, newcomers come in different ways, and it takes time to learn something from a person. Therefore, here I see that many advise not to wear a mask but to be yourself. Sometimes what we hide in ourselves is much more interesting than what we want to appear.
Check again, mate. How many weeks have passed since page 150?

[KingsDen]

Just exactly what i did. But thanks OP for sharing all of these as they may be very vital to make them aware and never fail in the forum. For newbies, its always an edge if you keep learning everyday through research and experience. Since you will never come to fully understand all of these just by mere reading. But when you come to experience failure, hopefully you will learn to figure out and reflect on these.

That is my aim, It has been my desire to contribute in shaping or grooming newbies that will have the forum culture, be beneficial to the forum and its users. I have created similar guides before and only newbies that are interested to learn will research for them. Many good topics are not pined for easy accessibility though. An honest newbie that loves reading will no doubt be ahead of his colleagues.

The OP is one i must applaud for taking out time to draft down such informations at least for the benefit of the newbie's and prospective ones.
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In all what am saying is, certain cases should be well investigated and scrutinized before a negative trust tag, though some might worth it but a very few in my opinion might not be.

Such victimization could demoralized a user moral and interest to give his/her best in the forum.

Everyone speaks as it affects him. We know that some negative tags are not worth it and that is why there is the word "legitimate red tag". However, I have also seen some DT members create thread to question the genuineness of some negative trust given members by their fellow DT colleagues.

For your case, I see that you have a negative tag because of 1xbit. I see you no longer wear their signature, consider to Pm JollyGood, give reasons for him to untag you, he might consider.

[Oluwa-btc]

If I should advice every local board need too translate this into them local languages and pin it down, so as,any newbie incoming will see this first as they want too relate with he's kr her local board.
A great summary of how it should be done for newbies, as you'll always get what you work for, working both smart and hard really pays off.
Hopefully newbies and some recalcitrant members get to read and see this and keep them at their finger tips, this will sure be a good guide if you can learn to practicalize em! Good content OP!

[KingsDen]

If I should advice every local board need too translate this into them local languages and pin it down, so as,any newbie incoming will see this first as they want too relate with he's kr her local board.

What can I say?
It could be that I came too late because I have read where some certain posts are pinned or translated to local boards. I don't really know the process that makes it happen.
It could also be that the energy of the forum has waxed cold. The newbies of today are money anxious rather than knowledge. Could it be that newbies already know the system before joining the system.  The later is not wholly true because many newbies are banned in the forum.

Apart from this, a thread of mine which I feel newbies need to read is  Some avoidable forum mistakes of Newbies

[Smartvirus]

If I should advice every local board need too translate this into them local languages and pin it down, so as,any newbie incoming will see this first as they want too relate with he's kr her local board.

What can I say?
It could also be that the energy of the forum has waxed cold. The newbies of today are money anxious rather than knowledge.

This is one of the major reasons why most beginners fail apparently. If we are to run a survey on most of the newbies as we have them now and how they found the forum, your sure to have a good number of them to have been introduced to the forum and most of the users that introduces them always certain a focus on making money or earning coins.

I tell you, there  is hardly any newbie that won't wish to stay the path and gets to earn money too. They obviously would put effort at the initial, trying to se how quick they could fly but unfortunately, the system in bitcointalm is designed to ensure forum decorum rather than keeping users that would want to bend the system. Hence, you find users not appreciating posts the way OP expects, deleted posts, activity series and all. Playing a role in the reorientation of the newbie and that could make them give up.

Reverse this as a newbie and you might have a good chance.

[hatshepsut93]

I wouldn't say that anyone who failed to achieve a high rank or isn't progressing in their rank or simply left the forum has failed. This forum is not a career, it's a place to learn. Maybe a new user decided to learn from other sources, or they decided to stop being involved with Bitcoin and cryptocurrency altogether. Merit is not a measure of success, it's just a fake internet point.