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May 10, 2022, 06:46:40 PM
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Actually from this war, if anyone will be benefited it will be china. After the collapse of the soviet union, Russia lose the power to challenge one on one against the USA but recently the rise of the Red Dragon in Asia gives the guts to head-on with the USA. Not only militarily but in every sector. If the USA and Russia had both been weakened due to this war then there will be no one to challenge china to be the next superpower.
You have a point about the Chinese benefiting in the ongoing Ukraine invasion but I don't see the US military weakening and the last time I checked this is not something that involved the US government alone.

They are weakening not only economically but also militarily. The economy and military of the USA are so big that the change is bearly noticed but it's happening. Super high inflation causes problems for the USA to bear its mountain-high military experience. Also, we saw how china ignored any kind of USA warning regarding Taiwan's situation. Its become very common nowadays for Chinese aircraft to violate Taiwan airspace. It's a direct slap in the face of the USA when they are warning china for a very long time about their activity above the sky of Taiwan.
The blaming game between each other actually plays a significant role. As a result of high inflation, no one wants to admit fault. But there are problems at home. The president and his staff are contemptuous of the intelligence of the public when they claim that inflation is not inflationary. US weapons were provided to Ukraine today. Are they meant to end the war? NO, while the U.S. and its allies are pushing Ukraine into combat with that regional giant. Taiwan is not part of China, it is an honest portrayal, but it is not unusual for Chinese aircraft to invade Taiwan's airspace. There are many problems.
I think only a naive person won't understand or know that the US is having an inflation problem despite their current debt (which was $28.43 trillion as of last year), etc.
As onecall123 said, there are many problems and we can expect the US to solve them all while they also have their own problems back at home. Therefore, the Chinese ignoring the US warning concern their airspace above the Taiwan sky shouldn't be used to judge the US military strength.

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May 11, 2022, 11:38:47 AM
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I think Putin is a suicidal person and will not hesitate to make an all-out war if ever the United States does something that can trigger Putin's emotions. It is mainly the reason why the US is very careful right now with its actions. However, we cannot really say what they are thinking because they continue to slap Russia's butt and then point their finger at Ukraine.

Tho, if US is just committed in Helping then I think they can not just end the war in Ukraine but I think it can end most of the countries

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May 13, 2022, 06:42:22 PM
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Russia, being the largest nuclear Power ahead of America, have dropped anchor in Ukraine since February, have made it a life's mission to bring down Ukraine, upsetting the mundane life activities of its citizens.
 While Ukraine is older in years to Russia, the latter seems to have increased in size and economic, military might. Because of this growth, they now see Ukraine as younger and are dominating them.
 America have been known as one the countries who feel the strike against Ukraine is not necessary.
Recently, during the Easter celebration in Ukraine, they were visited by both secretaries of state and defense, Anthony Blinken and Lloyd Austin. These two managed to put a little hope in the hearts of the people of Russia.
 My question is, it's true that America's military might is more than Russia, can they be able to defeat Russia out of benevolence or is there something attached?? Your thoughts please. https://www.economist.com/europe/america-is-now-thinking-of-winning-the-war-in-ukraine/21808960
Yes It is true that America's military is much stronger than that of Russia, In fact, if you understand Geo-politics, America's or NATO's interference in every world Conflict is a big reason why this war is happening in the first place. But is having a stronger military enough to win the war or at least in this situation stop a war? Answer is NO, unless it's 1945 and America was the only nuclear nation this would have been possible because US would have threatened a nuclear strike which is much more devastation than Russia would ever be able to do, but it 2022, Russia has equally strong Nuclear Arsenal to US, if US threatens nuclear strike, Russia will retaliate. So answer is NO, America with it's army can surely not end this war, but Diplomacy is the only solution here, if US can pitch in some agreement among both countries then they might be able stop this war.

Diplomacy with Russia is not possible because of its kleptocratic, fascist government. No agreement signed with Russia will hold.

The only way forward for Russia is to undergo a fundamental, progressive shift to a democratic, open society.

Russia has a lot of potential, and resources, but the country has been hijacked by a small group of Soviet officials who brainwashed the vast majority of the Russian population. Alcoholism and drug abuse are rampant. Russian society is regressing, intelligent people are leaving in droves. Russia is rapidly transforming into the Soviet Union. And we all know what resulted from that social experiment.

I think this war with Ukraine will lead to the fall of the current Russian government, complete demilitarization of its nuclear arsenal, and
potentially a territorial breakup of the Far East and Caucasus regions. Think end of Cold War 2.0.

Ukraine will get all its territories back.  Not tomorrow, not next month, but eventually.
First of all, No matter how autocratic any regime is, diplomacy is always the way out to solve any issue. Secondly, I don't feel a bit the same about the Russian people, Russia is a growing country, it has many geographical challenges, and too cold inhabitable areas & vast territory are just to name a few. Drug Abuse death rate in Russia is lesser than the United States( unless you feel US is devastated by Druge abuse too). Thirdly, talking about political leaders brainwashing a certain set of population, this is a technique followed all around the world China, India, Trump Regime to name a few.

Talking about the post-war scenario, it's not at all possible to defeat a country today using military strength if that country possesses a nuclear arsenal, even if the government somehow internally falls, there is no way a country would give up it's nuclear arsenal, the new regime would always want to keep this option with them in case of an external conflict. So all this is really a hypothetical scenario, the worst thing that would happen to Russia is that they might bitter their relations with the West in the future but until they have China in their support, I doubt west will do anything about it.
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May 13, 2022, 07:26:03 PM
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Russia has it's back against the wall. So, it will fight with everything it has. And it has a lot. The resulting destruction when it fights, will obliterate Russia, but it will also destroy any strength that the rest of the world has. We will be plunged back into medieval times if not into the stone age.


So Russia has its back against the wall because of Ukraine? Russia has the right to be concerned about NATO expansion but Ukraine hasn't been against Russian aggression? Russia is blaming the USA for being responsible for this war so why don't they attack the USA directly? It has cruise missiles, advanced air defense, aircraft and ships. If you say Russia won't because this will start world war 3 then I want to say Russia already took the risk to start it.

Russia has it's back against the wall because of US aggression. The US is hiding behind the Ukraine while it supplies them with armaments to fight Russia.

It all started with the threat of the Ukraine being accepted into NATO. It seems that for 8 years before Putin tried to pacify the situation with force, the Ukraine was killing Russians by the thousands - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382794.msg60121986#msg60121986; https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/05/no_author/russia-started-the-war-and-other-fallacies/. And Russia is supposed to sit around and let that go on and on?

Wake up and smell the coffee.

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May 14, 2022, 03:16:44 AM
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Russia has it's back against the wall. So, it will fight with everything it has. And it has a lot. The resulting destruction when it fights, will obliterate Russia, but it will also destroy any strength that the rest of the world has. We will be plunged back into medieval times if not into the stone age.


So Russia has its back against the wall because of Ukraine? Russia has the right to be concerned about NATO expansion but Ukraine hasn't been against Russian aggression? Russia is blaming the USA for being responsible for this war so why don't they attack the USA directly? It has cruise missiles, advanced air defense, aircraft and ships. If you say Russia won't because this will start world war 3 then I want to say Russia already took the risk to start it.

Russia has it's back against the wall because of US aggression. The US is hiding behind the Ukraine while it supplies them with armaments to fight Russia.

It all started with the threat of the Ukraine being accepted into NATO. It seems that for 8 years before Putin tried to pacify the situation with force, the Ukraine was killing Russians by the thousands - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382794.msg60121986#msg60121986; https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/05/no_author/russia-started-the-war-and-other-fallacies/. And Russia is supposed to sit around and let that go on and on?

Wake up and smell the coffee.

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Okey if this is true then let Putin shows the words his proof about it and invade the USA too. Because they are behind Ukraine so they deserve to be punished not Ukraine. Ukraine is just a goat here and destroying it won't solve Russia's problem. It will be better to cut the head of a snake to kill it so Putin should attack the USA directly if he has the guts to do that. Why unnecessary bloodshed in Ukraine!
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May 19, 2022, 08:29:27 PM
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Russia has it's back against the wall because of US aggression. The US is hiding behind the Ukraine while it supplies them with armaments to fight Russia.

It all started with the threat of the Ukraine being accepted into NATO. It seems that for 8 years before Putin tried to pacify the situation with force, the Ukraine was killing Russians by the thousands - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382794.msg60121986#msg60121986; https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/05/no_author/russia-started-the-war-and-other-fallacies/. And Russia is supposed to sit around and let that go on and on?

Wake up and smell the coffee.

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Okey if this is true then let Putin shows the words his proof about it and invade the USA too. Because they are behind Ukraine so they deserve to be punished not Ukraine. Ukraine is just a goat here and destroying it won't solve Russia's problem. It will be better to cut the head of a snake to kill it so Putin should attack the USA directly if he has the guts to do that. Why unnecessary bloodshed in Ukraine!

The answer is in the title of the thread: Can America end the war in Ukraine??

America isn't Biden and his cronies who want the war to happen. It's time for average Americans to learn about the leverage they have over their governing people, and oust these criminals out of office.

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May 19, 2022, 08:47:37 PM
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Bernie Sanders spoke about the same scenario of USA many years back, and they responded in similar fashion. This war with Ukraine has been for a while but not this wide and destructive. Nato was the main cause of the war but it is still at intending state for Ukraine, Since NATO has response soft on acceptance everyone was angry on the bullish approach of Putin. After Putin has expended a large portion of it militia and failed to achieve his aim, I think it could be a good time to make him realize if they come in to settle it.

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Bernie Sanders spoke about the same scenario of USA many years back, and they responded in similar fashion. This war with Ukraine has been for a while but not this wide and destructive. Nato was the main cause of the war but it is still at intending state for Ukraine, Since NATO has response soft on acceptance everyone was angry on the bullish approach of Putin. After Putin has expended a large portion of it militia and failed to achieve his aim, I think it could be a good time to make him realize if they come in to settle it.

NATO's soft response will exist until Hunter Biden and his crew suck all the money out of Ukrainian bio-lab research that they can get. Putin is simply helping the honest people of the US by trying to shut down the Ukraine and the essentially illegal bio-labs research... research, BTW, that is making Hunter and Joe a lot of money under the table.

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May 20, 2022, 03:28:47 PM
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America seem to be one of the major promoter of war. It has stoked the fires of Russia Ukraine war, and it has always acted as the big guy who won the war without fighting.
I feel sorry for Ukrainians, as  they lost everything in the war of geopolitics.  Zelensky believed being with NATO is a bigger priority than keep his countrymen safe and country at peace. US gave assurances more than it could deliver to Ukraine. Putin believed his ego was bigger than the lives of millions.
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May 20, 2022, 10:03:35 PM
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All Americans need to do to end the ware are the following points:

1. Let the States upgrade their Constitutions to contain all the rights and freedoms of the Federal Constitution;
2. Lock these rights in so that they can never be overridden;
3. Since much of what the State governments do is upon consultation of other State governments to hash thing out, make it a requirement that all State governors get together 3 times a year to do this;
4. Dissolve the Federal Government and everything pertaining to her, except that the States can individually maintain stuff of the Federal that they like... and can afford.

That would get the US government out of wars-for-profit in the world, and yet maintain the rights of citizens.

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May 20, 2022, 10:20:05 PM
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Zelensky believed being with NATO is a bigger priority than keep his countrymen safe and country at peace.

There was no way for him to "keep his countrymen safe and country at peace" without fighting Russia. If he had tried to give Ukraine to Putin (which Ukrainians would have never accepted), it would not be safe or at peace, as can be seen in rape and pillage scenes from Russian-occupied territories. And if there was no Zelensky, the outcome would still be the same.

Stop blaming people defending their homeland. Help Ukraine to save the world from a madman.
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No, I doubt the USA can end anything like that by them selfs. In case of an armed conflict, we can say that (without invoking any nuclear weapons) NATO would have an upper hand as we have seen Russia is not all that good in warfare (never was IMHO, they only had the numbers). Besides an all-out war, I can't really see any side stepping from their objectives, the only one would would be able to put any fork in the road is China.

   Yeah same answer an that's is No cause I know their believe in their self that if they assure once they retreat it makes their self down and not comfortable for their own sake that they could not take it. An that is people now  they had their own perspectives they must win their aspect and power they won't tried that some encounter them and that is life.

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May 23, 2022, 08:47:29 AM
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My question is, it's true that America's military might is more than Russia, can they be able to defeat Russia out of benevolence or is there something attached?? Your thoughts please. https://www.economist.com/europe/america-is-now-thinking-of-winning-the-war-in-ukraine/21808960

The USA might have a greater military might as against Russia, but i don't think they will even dare to directly attack Russia. Such an attack would definitely lead to a world war which frankly, the US and the world can not afford.

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May 24, 2022, 06:29:14 PM
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guaranteed there is so much support for Ukraine, none of them got there the ground zero because if they do show there, Putin will send his weapons of mass destruction to shoot a single outsider's vehicle. it will sound overkill but they can justify this because he had sent warnings already live on TV. while they are not yet doing that, NATO countries will have to be careful not to provoke them from doing it.

i'm not sure if he can get west but he did get the eastern part of Ukraine.


Putin has not even received the eastern part and will not receive it, a dick in the ass, that's what he will get!
So indirectly, he's been called a weakling and senile if he thinks he can get Ukraine, eh? Who knows, he could prove critics wrong.

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May 26, 2022, 06:27:47 PM
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guaranteed there is so much support for Ukraine, none of them got there the ground zero because if they do show there, Putin will send his weapons of mass destruction to shoot a single outsider's vehicle. it will sound overkill but they can justify this because he had sent warnings already live on TV. while they are not yet doing that, NATO countries will have to be careful not to provoke them from doing it.

i'm not sure if he can get west but he did get the eastern part of Ukraine.


Putin has not even received the eastern part and will not receive it, a dick in the ass, that's what he will get!
So indirectly, he's been called a weakling and senile if he thinks he can get Ukraine, eh? Who knows, he could prove critics wrong.
russia will never be able to win this war.
putin is a crazy bunker grandfather, sick with oncology and schizophrenia.
the level of insanity and propaganda just rolls over in russia.
But Ukraine is fighting for its future, for its freedom.
But what is russia fighting for? economically and politically, this war is lost, for russia it makes no sense.

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May 26, 2022, 09:48:04 PM
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I would think that due to the proximity with Russia, America is somewhat limited in what could be done without setting off a larger scale war. What Biden has said we planned to do was to make it extremely expensive and detrimental to Russia. This seems to be the case. Ultimately though, nobody is in a position but Russia to stop this war.

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May 26, 2022, 10:11:22 PM
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Can America end the war in Ukraine??


America might not be able to stop the war, but at least it's starting to look like we are going to stop aggravating it. I just hope it's on time before it envelopes the world.


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America has always left insurgents in every war it got involved in. From Afghanistan to Syria, etc, these countries that America caused internal crisis in have not known peace since the USA stepped into them. It is the same thing going on with Ukraine. That country will never return to its former self. America is fighting Russia but fronting with Ukraine and Putin knows this. That is why he is not ready to give Ukraine any breathing space. America does not have the diplomacy it takes to end any war.

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May 27, 2022, 05:33:37 PM
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guaranteed there is so much support for Ukraine, none of them got there the ground zero because if they do show there, Putin will send his weapons of mass destruction to shoot a single outsider's vehicle. it will sound overkill but they can justify this because he had sent warnings already live on TV. while they are not yet doing that, NATO countries will have to be careful not to provoke them from doing it.

i'm not sure if he can get west but he did get the eastern part of Ukraine.


Putin has not even received the eastern part and will not receive it, a dick in the ass, that's what he will get!
So indirectly, he's been called a weakling and senile if he thinks he can get Ukraine, eh? Who knows, he could prove critics wrong.
russia will never be able to win this war.
putin is a crazy bunker grandfather, sick with oncology and schizophrenia.
the level of insanity and propaganda just rolls over in russia.
But Ukraine is fighting for its future, for its freedom.
But what is russia fighting for? economically and politically, this war is lost, for russia it makes no sense.

Is this a rhetorical question? I thought anyone with half a brain knows it by now what Russia is fighting for.

Russia is fighting to annex territories lost during the breakup of the Soviet Union, which Russians always considered synonymous with Russia.

Russia wants to pacify Ukraine and make it Russian. This means the liquidation of Ukrainians.

If they get Ukraine, they will rebuild the military and go after the rest of the former USSR republics and Warsaw pact countries.

Do you think Putin is afraid of NATO? Think again. He is not afraid of anyone. He is a madman, in case you have not noticed.

The recent change of stance by Germany and France tells is all. Europe is only united on paper. Talk is cheap. You cannot stop artillery and tanks with bodies.

What do you think Hungary's or France's response will be when Putin annexes Estonia and Lithuania? Same as they are proposing now.
"Just give him what he wants and let's go back to business as usual".

"We will send our troops as soon as we get a gas replacement, blah, blah. We cannot right now, but we will send 5 tanks and 3 trucks with humanitarian aid." LOL.

NATO is toothless, scared, and does not want to fight and Putin knows it.

The only thing that can save Ukraine now is UK/US weapons, but those are not flowing fast enough.

Ukraine needs long-range weapons so that it can neutralize Crimean/Donbas bases, and supply lines. Without them, I think Russia will be able to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea, regroup and organize another attack on the capital.

This war is far from over, and Russia will not stop unless it is completely neutralized.
Economically, the war does not bring any profit to russia. the annexed Crimea and part of the Donbass are sheer losses for russia.
Hitler had an economic incentive to conquer Europe.
with a hostile Ukrainian population, putin has no chance, probably the most absurd war unleashed by a schizophrenic based on his illness.

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May 27, 2022, 08:49:44 PM
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Can America end the war in Ukraine??


American leaders and their fascism are what is causing the war in Ukraine, Why would they want to stop what they started?



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