Creating a second account after ban without being caught.

[Poker Player]

I have been reading this thread:

Stop Spaming and making Red Trust on Baseless Facts.

Where for the umpteenth time, someone has been caught after being banned for creating another account, and on top of that he complains.

I don't know how they are so stupid that they get caught, because I think that if that happened to me and I wanted to create another account I would not get caught.

I don't want to go into details to give people ideas, but don't you think it would be very easy?

What happens is that it would cost you more work, if for example you have a Facebook account with a certain number of friends that serves you for the bounties, then you would have to start from 0 and create another new account and get friends.

Anyway, I don't know if it's just my impression or if they are just stupid.

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Some people's account are not just banned, the people themselves are banned. Why are they banned? It is because they are not smart, intelligent, brilliant which makes people to track their account again and see another reason for them to be banned again and again like as they continue spamming and plagiarizing and evading ban. It is good to avoid ban in the first place because if not avoided, there are a lot more reasons the person is not brilliant and intelligent enough to avoid ban again because of ban evasion, spamming, plagiarizing and not obeying the rules of our forum.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Just check out this post. I didn't mean to call the author of that thread stupid. But your topic just screams about him.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5396460.msg59989538#msg59989538

If we talk about the topic that you cited as an example, then the account was not banned; it just got caught again and again on errors that are familiar to all cheaters.

In fact, there are many farms on the forum that participate in bounties since it is clear that it is impossible to exit with a profit from one account, but these farms are very careful. And of course, they still make mistakes and get caught.

Someone says that this is a fight against windmills, catching cheaters. But on the other hand, this is the education of people, so that they finally begin to think and draw conclusions. Either the account will be unique, or cheaters will regularly receive bans or negative tags.

[Upgrade00]

Greed plays a part I guess. Users who cut corners and take short cuts would usually not want to put in the effort required to build anything as they want the easy way out; This could be the reason why they have connected data between their old and new accounts, why create another social media profile when you can simply use the old one which is still functioning?

I would also assume there are others, who have evaded bans with multiple accounts without being caught as we've seen very large account farms get bursted.

[Poker Player]

If we talk about the topic that you cited as an example, then the account was not banned; it just got caught again and again on errors that are familiar to all cheaters.

Yes, that one also, but not only that one. Mainly to the one in the OP. Besides, even in that case, I don't know why they are so stupid to enroll two different accounts in the same bounty that forbids it. In this forum it is allowed to have two accounts and participate in two different bounties or two different signature campaigns. Or in the same signature campaign or bounty that does not have this prohibition. And yet there are still cases like the one mentioned above.

Greed plays a part I guess.

I guess so. And laziness.

[Lucius]

I don't know how they are so stupid that they get caught, because I think that if that happened to me and I wanted to create another account I would not get caught.

I don't want to go into details to give people ideas, but don't you think it would be very easy?

I don’t want to insult or generalize anyone, but most of those caught breaking the rules mostly come from the same countries where living by the rules and moral values are at pretty low levels. In other words, the way they behave in real life, they behave on the forum, with the difference that they think that the forum can be anonymous to the extent that no one will understand that they use alt accounts.

I will also not go into any details, but I will say that it would be quite easy to create multiple accounts without any possibility to connect them. But unfortunately for all those geniuses who come to the forum solely for profit, some basic things when it comes to cryptocurrencies are completely unknown.

Anyway, I don't know if it's just my impression or if they are just stupid.

I would say that it is a combination of ignorance, stupidity, and attempts to make as much money as possible.

[Coyster]

I don't know why they are so stupid to enroll two different accounts in the same bounty that forbids it. In this forum it is allowed to have two accounts and participate in two different bounties or two different signature campaigns. Or in the same signature campaign or bounty that does not have this prohibition. And yet there are still cases like the one mentioned above.

Lack of patience coupled with avarice, i say lack of patience cause maybe at the time such users enroll multiple accounts in the same campaign, there prolly aren't other campaigns OPEN at that time, so they want to get all of their accounts into the available one, because they lack the patience to wait till there are open slots in other/different campaigns. But it is still a product of avarice, cause if not one would quite reasonably just wait and be patient, rather than breaking a campaign rule (it isn't a forum rule, but an unethical behaviour that users get kicked out of campaigns & receive negative feedback for) all just to make more money, but in the long run lose out on all.

[Pandu Geddon]

there prolly aren't other campaigns OPEN at that time, so they want to get all of their accounts into the available one, because they lack the patience to wait till there are open slots in other/different campaigns.

not because there are no other projects they can work on. such accounts intentionally and knowingly join in one campaign to earn more shares.
if they read the forum rules, I don't think they will have the same problem over and over again.
The problem lies in their thinking, coming to the forums just to make money. I can tell this mistake was made by the person who introduced them to the forum for the first time. we can see accounts that never rank up even after making thousands of posts. and all of them contain only post bounty reports.

[Findingnemo]

We actually don't know who has the multiple accounts even some of the veterans used to cheats with multiple accounts for years on signature campaign so its certainly for the money making intention nothing else but there are some exceptions like who banned for excessive trolling or something but they are keep coming with new because they can't stop being a stupid.

[Shamm]

We actually don't know who has the multiple accounts even some of the veterans used to cheats with multiple accounts for years on signature campaign so its certainly for the money making intention nothing else but there are some exceptions like who banned for excessive trolling or something but they are keep coming with new because they can't stop being a stupid.

That's one of the reasons why other people creating new accounts or let say smurf accounts   to participate in multiple signatures campaign in order to make a money. Not just in signatures campaign but also in other bounties. Like what was said above there are many users here in forum has a thousands of post but still newbies cause they are came here for money not for knowledge.

[skarais]

Like what was said above there are many users here in forum has a thousands of post but still newbies cause they are came here for money not for knowledge.

Most beginners use forums just for money, I think the assumption is correct but I don't expect everyone to generalize to all beginners for money. Sometimes they just don't realize that knowledge is more important than money so it takes time to see the behavior change by itself.

Actually there are many ways to force beginners to change their habits besides the merit system and in my opinion limiting the rank of beginners in participating in the bounty is one option. But most managers won't apply this rule because they probably won't reach the extraordinary promotion target of the newbies especially for social media. This is one of the unresolved issues so far, but when the restrictive rules are put in place then I think the forum will succeed in suppressing the number of newbies who only have ask on the forum to make money.

[Findingnemo]

Like what was said above there are many users here in forum has a thousands of post but still newbies cause they are came here for money not for knowledge.

Most beginners use forums just for money, I think the assumption is correct but I don't expect everyone to generalize to all beginners for money. Sometimes they just don't realize that knowledge is more important than money so it takes time to see the behavior change by itself.

Actually there are many ways to force beginners to change their habits besides the merit system and in my opinion limiting the rank of beginners in participating in the bounty is one option. But most managers won't apply this rule because they probably won't reach the extraordinary promotion target of the newbies especially for social media. This is one of the unresolved issues so far, but when the restrictive rules are put in place then I think the forum will succeed in suppressing the number of newbies who only have ask on the forum to make money.

Basically bounties but I don't remember what was last bounty which actually paid the tokens which has real value then why still the newbies are popping up with new accounts and social media accounts to get the stakes. Even though volunteers are trying to hunt these scammers everyday by exposing then still its not under control so yes they will stop only if bounty manager stop accepting newbies into their any campaign but who cares they all are looking for more exposure so they want the newbie traffic.

[noormcs5]

Most beginners use forums just for money, I think the assumption is correct but I don't expect everyone to generalize to all beginners for money. Sometimes they just don't realize that knowledge is more important than money so it takes time to see the behavior change by itself.

If you see the link which the OP mentioned, you will see that the concerned account only purpose was to earn money.

I have joined Bitcointalk since 2020 start or 2019 End just for the Bounty work no any other reason just to make some Earning for myself haha as you Student dreams.
Well in First time i created account started working then got some money then i thought to Share this work with family consider it another account if you want to make more profits.

When you have only focus on earning, you will never learn. Such greedy people will never learn anything and will keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

[_BlackStar]

When you have only focus on earning, you will never learn. Such greedy people will never learn anything and will keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

Some users who were previously identified as spam posters whose posts I reported were mostly still able to change these habits for the better where there was an increase in the quality of the posts that I got. That would certainly refute the argument that initially bad users ^{[focus for money]} will never change.

However, regarding the violation of the rules regarding account registration after the first account was banned ^{[ban evasion],} of course it is a different matter and it is something that keeps repeating itself for those who make forums their source of income.

[uchegod-21]

What happens is that it would cost you more work, if for example you have a Facebook account with a certain number of friends that serves you for the bounties, then you would have to start from 0 and create another new account and get friends.

From your own perspective, your are correct. But from the perspective of the ban evaders, your logic is not wiser than theirs.
See their logic.
You get banned, instead of creating another account like facebook and begin scouting for friends, that will actually waste alot of time. They instead, have to re-use their social media accounts and create a fresh account here and will receive payment pending when they will be caught. And if they are banned again, they come with another account and it continues. That is why when you go to the bounties, you normally see newbie accounts more.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I think many of this set of persons who fall under the category the op mentioned are not just as smart, some of them have a particular posting style which can be recognized by anyone who pays close attention, and this is one of the reasons why they are easily discovered or caught when they try to invade ban.
And some others is due to laziness, laziness to put in the work required to secure a new identity for themselves, like many have said here, connecting your new bitcointalk account to the same old social media account that was previously connected to your banned bitcointalk account is a very lousy and foolish mistake which is only meant for illiterates to make, but then, I wonder how they never think of this.

[Shamm]

What happens is that it would cost you more work, if for example you have a Facebook account with a certain number of friends that serves you for the bounties, then you would have to start from 0 and create another new account and get friends.

From your own perspective, your are correct. But from the perspective of the ban evaders, your logic is not wiser than theirs.
See their logic.
You get banned, instead of creating another account like facebook and begin scouting for friends, that will actually waste alot of time. They instead, have to re-use their social media accounts and create a fresh account here and will receive payment pending when they will be caught. And if they are banned again, they come with another account and it continues. That is why when you go to the bounties, you normally see newbie accounts more.

You are right that mate those bounty hunters has a  strategic moves wise but not just totally wiser. Maybe they are in practical life if they caught and banned their bitcointalk account then create a new one to participate in bounties again cause all they want here is money, not knowledge and we all know that if we want more money we must find a way how to get it easily that's why other people creating multiple accounts to participate in multiple campaigns to get profit.

[tranthidung]

I don't know how they are so stupid that they get caught, because I think that if that happened to me and I wanted to create another account I would not get caught.

I believe they did not read forum rules.

First, they did not read rules and break them, then got banned.
Second, they did not spend time to read rules, do their homework to find reasons why they were banned, then they created such stupid topics to ask for reasons behind their bans.

Sum up, it's mainly because of laziness.
The same lazy response when they get temporary ban, they don't find reasons of it, keep doing their stupid posting style, and reach to a fourth one which causes a permanent ban.

If they search, they should find that topic and read it

• Signature Campaign Guidelines (read this before starting or joining a campaign)

[stompix]

I don't want to go into details to give people ideas, but don't you think it would be very easy?
What happens is that it would cost you more work, if for example you have a Facebook account with a certain number of friends that serves you for the bounties, then you would have to start from 0 and create another new account and get friends.

It's not that easy to get those so-called legit friends, the ones asking for friendships over twitter or FB or any other social media network are themselves not looking like a legit account at all, all your relatives and your friends will block you pretty soon if they see you sporting 20 links to ICOs or Defi all day long.

What some of the smarter spammers do is grow multiple of those accounts so when something gets banned they can replace the whole identity but this comes with a problem, that's greed! When you have everything that is needed for an alt, why not start using it so you can double your income, and this is when you get tagged for having an alt, and all your backup fb/tw/yt accounts are linked and you have no other thing to do than trying to keep using these till you grow some others.

I don’t want to insult or generalize anyone, but most of those caught breaking the rules mostly come from the same countries where living by the rules and moral values are at pretty low levels. In other words, the way they behave in real life, they behave on the forum, with the difference that they think that the forum can be anonymous to the extent that no one will understand that they use alt accounts.

I don't think it's just about some countries and more like the how big of a chunk a certain social class is in some countries, on top of that the average money one could get with an easy job and the lack of other opportunities. It's an accumulation of factors, with the cherry on the cake being the fact that some countries are ravaged by a lot of crime, theft, etc etc things like plagiarism or having two accounts on some forum look like, are you serious?  Sometimes I try and I think could understand somebody having a shock to hear copy-paste is getting him banned when going to his "workplace" he witnessed one shooting and two carjacks.
Not an excuse but probably moral values are influenced a lot by the value of your wallet.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I didn't mean to call the author of that thread stupid.

Eh, I wouldn't hesitate to do so.  That thread is in the B&H section (which I have on ignore) and I'm too lazy to go through the steps to quote it properly, but this is a snippet from Cosmic Beyonder's post:

Well in First time i created account started working then got some money then i thought to Share this work with family consider it another account if you want to make more profits.

Then after months my both accounts got banned and i cane to know its against Rules. I said ok i was on rank jr member.

If you ask me, he went about things in the exact opposite order you're supposed to here, which is to know the rules before embarking on a career in spamming.  On top of that, this joker recruited family members to spam and evaded a ban.  It sounds like he's just a young kid who needs to learn a thing or two about the world (and by kid I mean someone up to his/her mid-twenties). 

Poker Player, you've been around long enough to know this crap just never stops.  Some people are idiots more so than others, and yes it's extremely easy to just make a new account after getting banned and continue participating in bounty hunting.  Hilariousandco was pretty much suggesting that a couple of years back, which I took issue with, because it galled me to hear a moderator say anything of the sort.  He was fed up with the ban appeal threads I would imagine, and I don't blame him...but yeah, I'm sure the majority of banned members just come right back under an alt account and continue where they left off.  It's no wonder there are so many registered members but only a fraction of which are active.