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May 07, 2022, 06:06:00 PM
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Now explain the ZERO percentage house edge to me please.... because with a ZERO percent house edge, you will effectively get all your money back and you as the host of the game will get zero percent profit to pay for your overheads to run the site?

How will you generate an income to host the site? Will the site be plastered with advertisements to get an income to run the site... or are you going to work on donations or tips?

I think OP does not understand exactly how the house edge work and why the house edge is necessary for the casino. Also if you noticed, OP told that in case of win casino can take some 1 -5% of our winnings. Strange  Wink

OP needs to realize that whenever we win, the casino has to pay the money out of their pocket and whenever we lose, of course, our money goes to the casino. Overall the casino are always in profit, otherwise, no one would want to run a business with loss. It is the players whose winning depends upon luck.

one thing i can say here, the OP should not explore the gambling business. clearly, he doesn't know how casino works. so if he will just set-up a fly-by-night crash site, better not proceed. he will just screw people and waste somebody else's time. there's a reason why there's HE. and if you try to promote your site with 0 HE, people will think that you are not here for serious business. maybe just for quick gain because you will attract naive players.

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May 07, 2022, 06:22:09 PM
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Thanks for your answer , i think your advice is very good idea, maybe we could make a vip system ,you pay xxxusd / month , enjoy the 0 edge games and 0 % profits fee,even withdraw , its all free ,just let you often access
This gambling website , I believe ,the casino owner will show you something that you like to pay for them!
Without a positive house edge of 0,5%, 1% or 2% it will be impossible for the casino to grow their bankroll along the time and make the platform sustainable in order to pay big wins or general profit made by gamblers and also to make some profit for the managers. Without house edge the casino literally "crashes", just like the game you mentioned, and every players on the platform lose their entire funds.

But if you aren't convinced about this reality yet, you can always test on practice by yourself. You might want to launch your own virtual casino, set your own rules and watch for how long it's going to work...

Moreover, the reason why casinos don't decrease the house edge to 0,5% or even less in most cases, it's because they don't feel it's necessary. The number of active gamblers in a daily basis is good, the revenue generated is decent and the feedbacks are great, so why would they decrease their profit like that?

For new casinos it's another story, because they need attractive features to grow their customer base, so it's a possible idea to introduce lower house edge percentages (although they must be always positive). Anyway, be careful: "there's always free cheese in a mousetrap".

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May 07, 2022, 08:05:55 PM
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Now explain the ZERO percentage house edge to me please.... because with a ZERO percent house edge, you will effectively get all your money back and you as the host of the game will get zero percent profit to pay for your overheads to run the site?

How will you generate an income to host the site? Will the site be plastered with advertisements to get an income to run the site... or are you going to work on donations or tips?

I think OP does not understand exactly how the house edge work and why the house edge is necessary for the casino. Also if you noticed, OP told that in case of win casino can take some 1 -5% of our winnings. Strange  Wink

OP needs to realize that whenever we win, the casino has to pay the money out of their pocket and whenever we lose, of course, our money goes to the casino. Overall the casino are always in profit, otherwise, no one would want to run a business with loss. It is the players whose winning depends upon luck.

And I think the OP wants to have an easy money in casino where his bets will always in favor on his side lol. Maybe he should learn what CRASH GAME, HOUSE EDGE, or even the basic terminologies first and how does it contributes nor affects the gambling BEFORE even suggesting IDEAS -- which are just likely to be plain non-sense. But no, RTPs are the one that contradicts HOUSE EDGE. High RTPs means higher chance that a player can have his money back. Hence not always a profit. A user can still be lucky regardless of how very RNG the games are.

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May 07, 2022, 08:25:23 PM
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Is it really 1 percent edge? but I think house edge can also differ on each gambling sites. This is the reason why we can see sites that promotes lower edge like 0.1 percent than the other which has above 1 percent but if you are lucky you can still win no matter how high is the house edge and if you are unlucky you can also lose no matter how low the house edge is.

Why will you change it anyway? You don't own the site but you can try to post your suggestions as long as it's only realistic and hope that casino owner will follow it one day. A zero house edge seems good to be true already however I think some sites have attempted it on the past and obviously they didn't last long.

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May 07, 2022, 08:38:58 PM
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Is it really 1 percent edge? but I think house edge can also differ on each gambling sites. This is the reason why we can see sites that promotes lower edge like 0.1 percent than the other which has above 1 percent but if you are lucky you can still win no matter how high is the house edge and if you are unlucky you can also lose no matter how low the house edge is.
^ It belongs to these games, Blackjack, Baccarat, Roulette, Video Poker and Online slots which are known that has a very low percentage of the house edge. The casino that has a higher deduction rate of RTP is most likely the favorite casino of all gamblers because they know it has a higher player’s winning rate. The 1% is really too small a percentage and it is most likely it always has a win-win situation if you are a casino owner here because they are always that big casino advantage.
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May 07, 2022, 08:39:28 PM
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Is it really 1 percent edge? but I think house edge can also differ on each gambling sites. This is the reason why we can see sites that promotes lower edge like 0.1 percent than the other which has above 1 percent but if you are lucky you can still win no matter how high is the house edge and if you are unlucky you can also lose no matter how low the house edge is.

Why will you change it anyway? You don't own the site but you can try to post your suggestions as long as it's only realistic and hope that casino owner will follow it one day. A zero house edge seems good to be true already however I think some sites have attempted it on the past and obviously they didn't last long.

I agree with you, to win in Crash Creqeu, the advantage of the house and the RTP must be at all, I think it will not succeed, it is better than when you are going to play crash OP only you have to use it to have it is fun, Forget about profits because that can hinder many things, and you can lose money, just assign an amount of money that is willing to lose and if you lose it, stay with the fun and adrenaline you felt in that. weather.

I really don't think there is something to change the house's advantage to the player, and that is something that should always be known.

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May 07, 2022, 09:16:49 PM
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Now explain the ZERO percentage house edge to me please.... because with a ZERO percent house edge, you will effectively get all your money back and you as the host of the game will get zero percent profit to pay for your overheads to run the site?

How will you generate an income to host the site? Will the site be plastered with advertisements to get an income to run the site... or are you going to work on donations or tips?
I haven't seen a gambling site that has ads on them, I think the logic is simple. Doing that can annoy the players and makes them leave the site for good. Putting that donation address on the bottom of the page will also not guarantee that someone will donate on it because they gamble at the first place to earn a profit and they will not likely give it away but idk maybe there are still some that has a good heart and will donate something after they won huge.

It's like a sign of thank you for making a zero house edge site/game possible and other than that, it could mean that they like their stay on that site, e.g the ambiance and the overall service/feature was good.
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May 07, 2022, 10:30:29 PM
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1:We all know it’s house edge :1%
2:This game you access any gambling website , its always auto run there .

How to change it ? Or could we change it different?

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience  i think its gone be ok!

2:How to make money as the casino owner?
First , you can control the game time!
you could choose to open a new game anytime,and control the game time like 30mins or 1hour, why do that? you could take the winner profits 1~5% as fee
its like, i join your game room ,play the crash,the game is 0 edge to me but just  in 30mins or 1hour,i don’t know i will win  or not , if i win , maybe 100 usd, i will pay u 1~5 usd as fee , i think its ok , If i lose 100usd,i think the game is fair to me , i just lose to the 0 edge game, that ok right?

3: if as a player , you think its not fair about the hash , you could choose to different seeds game room

I just want know the  calculation of these new ways ,good or not?

thanks everyone‘s answers!

I'm not sure what difference that would make for the player?

At the end of the day, the player is going to get close to the same EV by your invention compared to if they just had a flat house edge, and of course the house isn't going to be willing to give away free money by having less house edge.

So it's not really an 'innovation' by any means. Could be fun but not really advantageous to either party.
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May 07, 2022, 10:40:51 PM
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This is just a suggestion, but I'm not sure whether this will bring profit to the casino. Most of the crash games function automatically where users were able to set the cashout or can get cashout when required. For this the players can be allowed to play a game like the one we had in the keypad phones. Snake game, which keeps running and the player needs to keep on collecting food and this make the snake grow in length. If we dash on the sides then it ends. Maybe that'll be more attractive as the control is in the hands of users.
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Their was a basic rule of gambling is you will charge money as fee from the winner.The won’t pay the fee.Secondly you can conduct many tournaments in the casino.So for every tournament only few will be win.All the registration fee will come to owner pocket.For example,the tournament had 250 slots.The tournament will begin after the reach of that certain number.
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May 07, 2022, 11:19:00 PM
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Why you are choosing the hard part of the game.Which is act like a owner of the casino.The easiest part of the gambling or casino is player.The player will easily win or loss in the game.But the casino owner need to pay the feees to the developers.The owner had to pay the person who working and marketing.



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May 07, 2022, 11:21:26 PM
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This is just a suggestion, but I'm not sure whether this will bring profit to the casino.

The OP's suggestion won't bring any profit to the casino.  Just do the calculation on the method OP wanted to implement.  It is purely on the players advantage.

Snake game, which keeps running and the player needs to keep on collecting food and this make the snake grow in length. If we dash on the sides then it ends. Maybe that'll be more attractive as the control is in the hands of users.

This will be better if implemented in Multiplayer mode.  Competing on who will be eaten and get the funds of the opposing player while Casino earn x% from the winnings.  This sounds more viable I guess.
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This is just a suggestion, but I'm not sure whether this will bring profit to the casino. Most of the crash games function automatically where users were able to set the cashout or can get cashout when required. For this the players can be allowed to play a game like the one we had in the keypad phones. Snake game, which keeps running and the player needs to keep on collecting food and this make the snake grow in length. If we dash on the sides then it ends. Maybe that'll be more attractive as the control is in the hands of users.

Hey,man  thanks for your time!
I think you want to say pvp game right?
Crash could to be a pvp game!
Just like poker sit and go. For example: you and me , play a competition, 100usd buyin, 10mins, 1000 chips in the crash game!
Who’s win the more chips , who is the winner ! Take 200usd rewards away !
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May 08, 2022, 07:50:35 AM
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I just want know the  calculation of these new ways ,good or not?

thanks everyone‘s answers!


Not really sure how to make calculations on this, because limiting times for games on casinos depends a lot where the most customers come from and which time will be available to play for them. Casinos operate internationally and the games run 24 hours a day, there will be gamblers coming from America, Europe and from Asia. To find a time slot that works all around the world seems a bit hard. I would expect most gamblers to play in the evening, so when have the games run in the evening in Europe, it will be night in Asia and morning in America. Having a flat fee for games makes the earnings much more predictable for casino, especially if the fee is not related to the betting size. If every gambler has to pay $5 and the house edge is 0 than the casino will likely not make any money from the games itself. After a few month of crash games the profit will equal to the fee. But with a house edge of 1% the casino should be doing better because more games will be run over the day and the casino profits of larger wages that will return more than $5.
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I just want know the  calculation of these new ways ,good or not?

thanks everyone‘s answers!


Not really sure how to make calculations on this, because limiting times for games on casinos depends a lot where the most customers come from and which time will be available to play for them. Casinos operate internationally and the games run 24 hours a day, there will be gamblers coming from America, Europe and from Asia. To find a time slot that works all around the world seems a bit hard. I would expect most gamblers to play in the evening, so when have the games run in the evening in Europe, it will be night in Asia and morning in America. Having a flat fee for games makes the earnings much more predictable for casino, especially if the fee is not related to the betting size. If every gambler has to pay $5 and the house edge is 0 than the casino will likely not make any money from the games itself. After a few month of crash games the profit will equal to the fee. But with a house edge of 1% the casino should be doing better because more games will be run over the day and the casino profits of larger wages that will return more than $5.

Of course you are right !
The most important is nobody think that’s good idea for casino,i didn’t meant that they are looking too short-sighted
But , when i access a new gambling website , i just feel :”boring!”
Everything is same , no creatives !no pvp competition, like the mummy!
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May 09, 2022, 06:29:16 AM
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But , when i access a new gambling website , i just feel :”boring!”
Everything is same , no creatives !no pvp competition, like the mummy!

Looks like you aren't that into gambling. Perhaps you should have chosen a different topic to discuss. If you're not comfortable in the topic, you shouldn't have commented on it.

If you think casino games are boring, how about sports betting? Do you enjoy watching any sporting events? Whatever it is, there must be a market for it. The options are endless!

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Why you are choosing the hard part of the game.Which is act like a owner of the casino.The easiest part of the gambling or casino is player.The player will easily win or loss in the game.But the casino owner need to pay the feees to the developers.The owner had to pay the person who working and marketing.
You know that the game you take as hard will be easiest game for another person. i dont know for you but what i know best is that before some body will go along with game may be another person have enlightened it about the game and is the point why it like to play and experience how tough is the game

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Why you are choosing the hard part of the game.Which is act like a owner of the casino.The easiest part of the gambling or casino is player.The player will easily win or loss in the game.But the casino owner need to pay the feees to the developers.The owner had to pay the person who working and marketing.
Because, the hard part is always profitable at the end. The hard part is only hard at first but once you learn how to grasp things, you will not feel that it was hard anymore but you will only enjoy the benefits. Not all wants to become a gambler or a player but some have a higher ambition than that, they want to be a businessman in the form of creating their own casino.

Online crypto casinos are in demand these days, that is why many are interested on building their own platforms. Being a casino player is indeed easy and stress free but do you think you can win as much as you like? I believe no but it was the casino that always win and the expense are going to be nothing if the casino is earning massive profits.

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May 09, 2022, 12:38:47 PM
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Why you are choosing the hard part of the game.Which is act like a owner of the casino.The easiest part of the gambling or casino is player.The player will easily win or loss in the game.But the casino owner need to pay the feees to the developers.The owner had to pay the person who working and marketing.
Because, the hard part is always profitable at the end. The hard part is only hard at first but once you learn how to grasp things, you will not feel that it was hard anymore but you will only enjoy the benefits. Not all wants to become a gambler or a player but some have a higher ambition than that, they want to be a businessman in the form of creating their own casino.

Online crypto casinos are in demand these days, that is why many are interested on building their own platforms. Being a casino player is indeed easy and stress free but do you think you can win as much as you like? I believe no but it was the casino that always win and the expense are going to be nothing if the casino is earning massive profits.
I hope everyone could to be the owner of a small casino (club)
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May 09, 2022, 12:59:17 PM
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1:We all know it’s house edge :1%
2:This game you access any gambling website , its always auto run there .

How to change it ? Or could we change it different?

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience  i think its gone be ok!

2:How to make money as the casino owner?
First , you can control the game time!
you could choose to open a new game anytime,and control the game time like 30mins or 1hour, why do that? you could take the winner profits 1~5% as fee
its like, i join your game room ,play the crash,the game is 0 edge to me but just  in 30mins or 1hour,i don’t know i will win  or not , if i win , maybe 100 usd, i will pay u 1~5 usd as fee , i think its ok , If i lose 100usd,i think the game is fair to me , i just lose to the 0 edge game, that ok right?

3: if as a player , you think its not fair about the hash , you could choose to different seeds game room

I just want know the  calculation of these new ways ,good or not?

thanks everyone‘s answers!




Crash has more algorithms and mathematics involved in it than you can possibly imagine and no one will change that.
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