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New home loans are deepening the role of volatile digital assets in the real estate market.

It took Vincent Burniske months to get a seven-figure loan to buy two small apartment buildings in a coveted Miami neighborhood. The sports-media consultant had money — but much of it was tied up in crypto. 

Digital wealth meant little to banks when it came to a mortgage. And Burniske, 63, wanted to keep his coins rather than trade them for dollars.

“If you cash out, you have to pay sizable tax and you’re leaving a lot of upside on the table because you’re getting out early,” he said.

Then came an option that wasn’t available when Burniske found the properties late last year: a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage secured by part of his Bitcoin and Ethereum holdings. He nailed down the loan from Milo Credit, a Miami-based startup that’s seeking to tap into the burgeoning pool of crypto loyalists who want to diversify their wealth while hanging on to their tokens.

Crypto mortgages are the latest example of the deepening role of digital coins in the U.S. real estate market, with property buyers and lenders alike embracing the volatile currencies to underpin deals for hard assets. Last year, Fannie Mae started allowing borrowers to use crypto for their down payments. New buildings going up in tech hot spots like Miami are accepting digital tokens for deposits on condos. A house in Tampa, Florida, even sold as an NFT earlier this year.

The home loans offered by Milo represent a new twist. Instead of simply paying for property with tokens, borrowers pledge their digital holdings as collateral, with no down payments necessary. That enables the holders to keep their coins, avoiding taxes on capital gains and theoretically benefiting from rising values for both the tokens and the real estate. It also heightens risk by using a volatile asset to finance purchases at a time the heated U.S. property market faces a slowdown from the fastest jump in borrowing costs in decades.

Milo wants to make such loans a big business by pooling them and selling them to banks, asset managers and insurance companies, maybe even offering them as bonds in a securitization, according to founder Josip Rupena.

Wall Street’s financial engine is already looking at the novel mortgages.

“We’ve advised on several matters involving the origination of loans backed by crypto and NFTs for eventual securitization and similar concepts, said Steve Blevit, a partner at law firm Sidley Austin, who specializes in financing esoteric assets. “We see a lot of interest in this area and expect it will develop into a new asset class.”

Until now, those with large crypto holdings who didn’t want to sell were turning to companies like BlockFi, which offers collateralized loans that can be used to buy property. There’s also Austin, Texas-based Unchained Capital, which offers three-year loans with up to 14% interest rates.

Milo, which started originating home loans in 2019 for non-U.S. citizens, is offering a product that looks more like a traditional mortgage. If its wait list of more than 8,000 people ready to buy property in states such as Texas, California and New York is any indication, the company’s crypto offering may dwarf its $100 million of foreign national loans.

The company has issued pre-approval letters on $340 million of mortgages in the last 30 days. Milo recently received $17 million in Series A funding led by venture-capital firm M13 to help fuel growth.

“Were going to refine this and get it bigger,” said Rupena, 38. “Milo will be looking to provide other long-term solutions to those with crypto wealth — not just mortgages.”

It’s the type of lofty ambition rippling through the crypto economy and Milo’s hometown of Miami, where the culture of decentralized finance is fast taking root. In the city’s Wynwood neighborhood, Bored Ape NFTs, which grew in mainstream popularity with the help of Snoop Dogg and Justin Bieber, hang out on building facades and telephone poles. Cranes dot the skyline in between old warehouses about to be inundated by employees of Blockchain.com and MoonPay. 

Even as the value of digital assets has exploded over the last decade, standing now at about $2 trillion, it’s a big challenge to cross into the decades-old, highly regulated mortgage industry. Skeptics point to cryptocurrencies’ volatility: Bitcoin infamously soared 305% in 2020 but is down more than 40% from an all-time high. Ether and other altcoins have also suffered steep declines. Crypto has also attracted attention from government officials who have expressed concern about the lack of regulatory oversight and surveillance which can come with fraud and other problems.

“There are always early adopters out there trying new things,” said David Lykken, president of Transformational Mortgage Solutions, a consulting and advisory firm. “Cryptocurrency doesn’t have enough stability or the confidence of the broader investor community. Certainly not now — maybe never.”

Supporters remain steadfast, arguing the tokens will prove their worth in time. Bitcoin has still gained almost 500% since the end of 2019.

Milo is lending as much as $10 million on homes, and digitizing the process so closing takes two to three weeks. Borrowers must pledge at least the amount of the property, and the coins get transferred to a custodian for safe keeping.

The property seller gets paid in dollars funded by Milo. Borrowers can then make their monthly payments in either crypto or traditional cash. Rates are generally between 3.95% and 5.95%, which is in line with the average borrowing costs for a traditional 30-year mortgage. 

To account for the volatility, Milo will ask the borrower to put up more crypto or cash if the crypto-to-loan amount drops below 65%. If that figure drops below 30%, the company liquidates the assets and stores them in U.S. dollars.

It’s an especially big risk to take for an asset as personal as a home, said John Kerschner, head of U.S. securitized products for Janus Henderson Investors.

“A crypto mortgage seems inefficient given the volatility,” he said. “People think Bitcoin will go to the moon but nobody thought the great financial crisis or Covid was coming. These things happen.”

Burniske, who used his mortgage to buy investment properties, already has tenants living in his four units, nestled between a 1920s Venetian pool and the Biltmore Hotel in what’s known as Golden Triangle of Coral Gables. For him, the crypto mortgage is just another example of a concept that quickly turns real.

“I was convinced I was going down the conventional loan path,” he said. “It’s comfortable. It’s what we know. But at any given moment there are better financing options and you really need to pay attention.”


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Last year, Fannie Mae started allowing borrowers to use crypto for their down payments. New buildings going up in tech hot spots like Miami are accepting digital tokens for deposits on condos. A house in Tampa, Florida, even sold as an NFT earlier this year.

The home loans offered by Milo represent a new twist. Instead of simply paying for property with tokens, borrowers pledge their digital holdings as collateral, with no down payments necessary. That enables the holders to keep their coins, avoiding taxes on capital gains and theoretically benefiting from rising values for both the tokens and the real estate. It also heightens risk by using a volatile asset to finance purchases at a time the heated U.S. property market faces a slowdown from the fastest jump in borrowing costs in decades. 

This following is also interesting:

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Milo wants to make such loans a big business by pooling them and selling them to banks, asset managers and insurance companies, maybe even offering them as bonds in a securitization, according to founder Josip Rupena.

Historically we have not seen mainstream crypto support for real estate, car and student loans.

This could represent an expansion into home and real estate loan markets. Although for some reason, I doubt it'll enjoy mainstream support. Crypto whales are the only income bracket that can participate in these programs. If they buy real estate, it will be in a country that is expected to support more friendly regulation towards bitcoin and crypto, I would guess.

The subprime mortgage crisis of 2008 was fueled by a bubble of CDOs that were vaguely similar to using crypto as loan collateral. In that case the assets were leveraged and spread across a much larger consumer demographic which greatly multiplied the damaging effects. There may also be parallels with Elon Musk using his tesla stock as collateral to buy twitter.

Much of these programs appear to be concentrated in florida which appears to be emerging as a crypto friendly hotspot.
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30-year fixed-rate mortgage

Most countries dont offer such a generous offer, that alone is worth taking.    Just the plain maths on this deal makes it very likely a good option to take, the worst outcome would just be you have to repay with your earnings as do most people.   The best outcome is the fixed loan declines in its outright worth as does the Dollar itself where as BTC value adjust upwards alongside inflation similar to its performance previously, meaning you pay far less in the end then normal.     I recommend everyone takes a fixed mortgage if they can do so.

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Crypto Mortgages Let Homebuyers Keep Bitcoin, Put Down Nothing

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The home loans offered by Milo represent a new twist. Instead of simply paying for property with tokens, borrowers pledge their digital holdings as collateral, with no down payments necessary. That enables the holders to keep their coins, avoiding taxes on capital gains and theoretically benefiting from rising values for both the tokens and the real estate. It also heightens risk by using a volatile asset to finance purchases at a time the heated U.S. property market faces a slowdown from the fastest jump in borrowing costs in decades.

Basically, you need 100-120% of your wanted house value in coins, put those as collateral and if the market crashes even for one week by more than that and you have no collateral left your coins will be liquidated to cover the borrowed sum. There is nothing magical in it and if you are so sure there won't be any downtrend and think that your coins will only go up, why not get a normal mortgage and use the coins to go long and reap even more rewards.

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Until now, those with large crypto holdings who didn’t want to sell were turning to companies like BlockFi, which offers collateralized loans that can be used to buy property. There’s also Austin, Texas-based Unchained Capital, which offers three-year loans with up to 14% interest rates.

14% interest rates? Only nearly 3 times more than the national average? Lol, what a deal!

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May 07, 2022, 10:46:33 PM
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To account for the volatility, Milo will ask the borrower to put up more crypto or cash if the crypto-to-loan amount drops below 65%. If that figure drops below 30%, the company liquidates the assets and stores them in U.S. dollars.

Everything is pretty much okay until I read this. So basically Im giving them the ability to liquidate my coins because of the volatility huh. If anything, I'd rather just liquidate it myself at higher price point rather than having somebody else do it for me. Well atleast you can use your coins as collateral for real estate and it actually means something though but definitely not my type of bread

There may also be parallels with Elon Musk using his tesla stock as collateral to buy twitter.

Its not the same, in this case his name as well as his presence is good enough to be a collateral  Roll Eyes

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This will be available for only resident of the country or the state. A lot of provision in US to help investment but I wish OP can share the website for such disclosure and interest rate?

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Generally it’s not wise to use Bitcoin as collateral for anything. Remember when Bitmex was the largest futures exchange? Remember that nasty crash we had back in late 2018.

Most of it was due to the positions being held in Bitcoin as collateral. Problem was when Bitcoin lost its value the position needed more BTC to keep open. However since value of Bitcoin dropped it worked as a domino affect pretty much and why we had a huge cascading liquidating event that month.

For mortgages it’s not a good idea either and that 14% interest rate is just crazy.

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May 08, 2022, 08:22:21 AM
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The title is misleading:
   
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Crypto Mortgages Let Homebuyers Keep Bitcoin, Put Down Nothing

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The home loans offered by Milo represent a new twist. Instead of simply paying for property with tokens, borrowers pledge their digital holdings as collateral, with no down payments necessary. That enables the holders to keep their coins, avoiding taxes on capital gains and theoretically benefiting from rising values for both the tokens and the real estate. It also heightens risk by using a volatile asset to finance purchases at a time the heated U.S. property market faces a slowdown from the fastest jump in borrowing costs in decades.

Basically, you need 100-120% of your wanted house value in coins, put those as collateral and if the market crashes even for one week by more than that and you have no collateral left your coins will be liquidated to cover the borrowed sum. There is nothing magical in it and if you are so sure there won't be any downtrend and think that your coins will only go up, why not get a normal mortgage and use the coins to go long and reap even more rewards.

So it's like trading stocks with a margin-approved brokerage account, isn't it? Too much risk I think, and even more so if it is for a house you plan to live in. If you have a lot of money and this is another of your risky investments, I can understand it, but I don't see many advantages, better to take a normal mortgage, as you say.

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Volatility is going to be very big issue in this regard. The problem is, they may accept the crypto down payments at the given rate of exchange value but the value could be drastically going up and down and may create problems in the contract. The valuation either will be needed to lock at certain costs and then send the bitcoin or in other way the whole payment will need to be transferred directly to the banks as soon as real estate owner or broker takes it.

Using bitcoin as collateral has the same risk as above due to its volatility. Return / Repayments could be little problems. What if the price at which it was lend is much lower but recurrent is higher? Either party would be in loss based on this math.
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When they did that I think they might have seen that the price have gone down by 8% and the current market value is still low. To be honest, I did not expect the volatility to rise that fast since few months we are seeing more or so stable value.
I think it would be wise to make smart contracts before handing it over to the real estate agent or booker because at the end of the day one might have legal benefits in the breach of contract.
Taxes are for sure higher and the collateral part is very interesting since the fact is even if you get your bitcoins back, you can still wait when the time is right for you,no one can pressure you to sell as well, so despite Volatility I think it's a great idea and will help many who have major investment in crypto.

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Volatility is going to be very big issue in this regard. The problem is, they may accept the crypto down payments at the given rate of exchange value but the value could be drastically going up and down

If the price drops then they are going to ask you deposit more coins as the collateral and at some point they could liquidate it if it keeps on falling. Imagine giving away your coins as collateral and they could liquidate it, its a bad idea to begin with anyway but hey some new guy in crypto space are probablygoing to dig this but majority wont

If the price goes up then they probably wont return part of your coins back to you until you made a full repayment on the mortgage  Roll Eyes

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Considering the volatility of it could cause a lot of unexpected payments, it is not really that much wise to want both of them available at all times. I mean when you lock them up for mortgage upfront payments, then it becomes a collateral but it grows when the price goes up which is a great thing and that’s the aim, but what happens when it doesn't for months, or stays low for years after you start? Just like the covid deal for example. This is why I keep saying that bitcoin should never get into the loan market at all, makes no sense to me.

Let’s assume that you started to get loans in form of bitcoin one day, which is still possible even today, then how do you pay back with interest, if you can then someone else shouldn't be able to because it's limited and not everyone can get interest since it will end and there won't be any coins left.

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Let's start with some theory Smiley
A mortgage is a common law legal instrument that is used to create a security interest in real property held by a creditor as security for a debt, usually a mortgage loan. At the same time, the real estate itself remains a pledge within the framework of this transaction.
Now a question. for example, half a year ago, a person decided to purchase a residential property worth $120,000 on a mortgage. At that rate (60,000+ dollars per bitcoin), 2 bitcoins was exactly 120,000. They were pledged. It's May 2022. Bitcoin price is $33,000. Question - will the lender require an additional deposit of collateral cryptocurrency in the amount of almost 1.2 more bitcoins? Not ? Yes ?

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Now a question. for example, half a year ago, a person decided to purchase a residential property worth $120,000 on a mortgage. At that rate (60,000+ dollars per bitcoin), 2 bitcoins was exactly 120,000. They were pledged. It's May 2022. Bitcoin price is $33,000. Question - will the lender require an additional deposit of collateral cryptocurrency in the amount of almost 1.2 more bitcoins? Not ? Yes ?

Of course, they would but they wouldn't expect it for such a high drop, there are far smaller increments on which you'll be asked to put more collateral.

The problems with this:
- you will need to get more collateral if the price goes down, if you're short on cash or coins it might be impossible for you
- you risk being liquidated in a drop only to see that after one month the coin is up by 50%, you basically sold at the bottom
- there is a trap for some of those that allow you a 70% drop in collateral before liquidation. If liquidation does happen below the levels of your mortgage so it's not able to cover all up you're still going to have to pay the difference
- far higher interest rate compared to a good credit score with a bank

The pros:
- you don't have to sell your coins, so you can keep them till they do a x10 or x100 or whatever
- you can take out collateral if the coins go up and while you're paying your loan, a thing impossible in mortgages
- you don't need a credit score, nor do you need proof of income

Basically, this is the advantage to people who have no real constant income, bad credit scores, who are going long on those coins, and more importantly, probably the most important of all, the ones that have twice or thrice the amount in coins, who could with a snap of their fingers reinforce the collateral position with double or triple the sum.

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The only benefit is avoiding the capital gains tax which is huge sum for millions but we are risking the asset which equals to the property amount and still paying the bills every month until the tenure ends, for Bitcoin we can say that it will be high but for 30 years no one can actually tell because we don't have the data to analysis for that much longer time period.









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The home loans offered by Milo represent a new twist. Instead of simply paying for property with tokens, borrowers pledge their digital holdings as collateral, with no down payments necessary. That enables the holders to keep their coins, avoiding taxes on capital gains and theoretically benefiting from rising values for both the tokens and the real estate. It also heightens risk by using a volatile asset to finance purchases at a time the heated U.S. property market faces a slowdown from the fastest jump in borrowing costs in decades.

Basically, you need 100-120% of your wanted house value in coins, put those as collateral and if the market crashes even for one week by more than that and you have no collateral left your coins will be liquidated to cover the borrowed sum. There is nothing magical in it and if you are so sure there won't be any downtrend and think that your coins will only go up, why not get a normal mortgage and use the coins to go long and reap even more rewards.

Hopefully this does not catch on among the population, because if people start paying for their homes using crypto installments (and people are notoriously bad at mortgages even with paper money), then I can see another 2008 rumbling in the next few years when the entire bubble pops again. Followed by the obligatory anti-crypto wave of sentiment this will cause.

Again, this only happens if the majority of people jump onboard this, which fortunately is not going to happen because (paradoxially) of the current anti-crypto centiment among Americans right now.

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The home loans offered by Milo represent a new twist. Instead of simply paying for property with tokens, borrowers pledge their digital holdings as collateral, with no down payments necessary. That enables the holders to keep their coins, avoiding taxes on capital gains and theoretically benefiting from rising values for both the tokens and the real estate. It also heightens risk by using a volatile asset to finance purchases at a time the heated U.S. property market faces a slowdown from the fastest jump in borrowing costs in decades.

1.I don't believe in this "no down payments necessary" part.Down payments are always necessary,the payment method doesn't matter.
Perhaps Milo wants to make this whole "crypto mortgage" business model more attractive by not requiring down payments.I don't think that this is going to be a sustainable business model in the long run.
2.Capital gains tax is required only if the  financial asset increased it's value/price above the acquisition price.If someone bought BTC at 50K and BTC suddenly became 30K USD,that guy doesn't have to pay capital gains tax for selling it's BTC at 30K.I'm not an expert on capital gains taxation, but this is just my opinion on how the tax works.Putting your capital at risk,just for the sake of avoiding capital gains tax?It doesn't seem like a reasonable idea to me.

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The problems with this:
- you will need to get more collateral if the price goes down, if you're short on cash or coins it might be impossible for you
- you risk being liquidated in a drop only to see that after one month the coin is up by 50%, you basically sold at the bottom
- there is a trap for some of those that allow you a 70% drop in collateral before liquidation. If liquidation does happen below the levels of your mortgage so it's not able to cover all up you're still going to have to pay the difference
- far higher interest rate compared to a good credit score with a bank


This is so true. Just take an example of current market. If someone would have mortgaged a loan before the drop and if they had to pay back in bitcoin for monthly interest then it would have been costly affair for sure. Man just check the current drop. They had to repay more satoshi’s since to pay x amount monthly they had to cover up that  x plus the devalued costing. I’m not sure if I’m able to explain this correctly but in my own language I understood how difficult it would be to loan out property or take the loans other way around in bitcoin.
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     I am quite curious, wouldn't this be just like holding bitcoin or any crypto currency? Apologies for not being able to see but can anyone mention how this is better than holding or trading on an exchange? Because if it really has better benefits than holding or trading on leverage on exchanges, I would really love to try out this new thing. Currently searching for better investments or money making ways that does not take as much time as trading for hours on a daily basis(preferably crypto-related). Thanks.

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 I am quite curious, wouldn't this be just like holding bitcoin or any crypto currency? Apologies for not being able to see but can anyone mention how this is better than holding or trading on an exchange? Because if it really has better benefits than holding or trading on leverage on exchanges, I would really love to try out this new thing.

It has no other benefits than holding.
Look at them as locked coins that will be sold if they go below the locked price - % unless you are able to get more collateral and other than that nothing. They are just a replacement for your credit score or for your proof of income.

If someone would have mortgaged a loan before the drop and if they had to pay back in bitcoin for monthly interest then it would have been costly affair for sure. Man just check the current drop. They had to repay more satoshi’s since to pay x amount monthly they had to cover up that  x plus the devalued costing.

Now raise it up a level and imagine your loan was in Luna and the bank was liquidating your collateral in UST, not USD.  Grin
2008 would be a storm in a teacup compared to what would have happened in this case.


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The home loans offered by Milo represent a new twist. Instead of simply paying for property with tokens, borrowers pledge their digital holdings as collateral, with no down payments necessary. That enables the holders to keep their coins, avoiding taxes on capital gains and theoretically benefiting from rising values for both the tokens and the real estate. It also heightens risk by using a volatile asset to finance purchases at a time the heated U.S. property market faces a slowdown from the fastest jump in borrowing costs in decades.


Please tell me one thing - while using cryptocurrencies as a collateral, how frequently it needs to be re-evaluated? This re-evaluation is a part of a risk management practice underta6by many borrowers in many countries. I am not sure about US.

So ideally, every person using cryptos as a collateral, they would need to send more token to their collateral contract ar certain interval if the prices are going down. But the lender will not return the cryptos if the price is increasing. Good to know that US is ahead in such things but that increases their risk as well.

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