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May 10, 2025, 09:30:51 PM
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You're absolutely right — we recommend using the Satochip-Utils tool (the software that manages all Satochip products, including the Seedkeeper) on a "cold" or offline computer, ideally with a bootable OS like TailsOS, for maximum security.

Regarding export options: our desktop and mobile apps have been intentionally kept simple to prioritize ease of use. However, the Seedkeeper supports many additional features accessible via the command line that aren’t exposed in the graphical interface.

Currently, the export function is only compatible with other Satochip™ products, as it relies on the device's Authentikey to securely encrypt and exchange sensitive data. That said, your suggestion about supporting encrypted backups compatible with wallets like Sparrow is very interesting and definitely worth exploring further.

As for the price: we’re doing our best to make the product as affordable as possible. The card reader is optional — any compatible reader from a local IT supplier should work. Additionally, we're actively looking for resellers in South America to help make the product more accessible in that region.

Thanks again for your valuable feedback!
I heavily use KeePass implementations like KeePass2 and Keepassxc as password managers. It would be interesting if the Seedkeeper card could optionally be integrated into Keepass.

Is there any documentation for more details about command line usage? For example, is there a way to export passwords so that we can optionally import them into another password manager?

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May 15, 2025, 01:37:18 PM
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You're absolutely right — we recommend using the Satochip-Utils tool (the software that manages all Satochip products, including the Seedkeeper) on a "cold" or offline computer, ideally with a bootable OS like TailsOS, for maximum security.

Regarding export options: our desktop and mobile apps have been intentionally kept simple to prioritize ease of use. However, the Seedkeeper supports many additional features accessible via the command line that aren’t exposed in the graphical interface.

Currently, the export function is only compatible with other Satochip™ products, as it relies on the device's Authentikey to securely encrypt and exchange sensitive data. That said, your suggestion about supporting encrypted backups compatible with wallets like Sparrow is very interesting and definitely worth exploring further.

As for the price: we’re doing our best to make the product as affordable as possible. The card reader is optional — any compatible reader from a local IT supplier should work. Additionally, we're actively looking for resellers in South America to help make the product more accessible in that region.

Thanks again for your valuable feedback!
I heavily use KeePass implementations like KeePass2 and Keepassxc as password managers. It would be interesting if the Seedkeeper card could optionally be integrated into Keepass.

Is there any documentation for more details about command line usage? For example, is there a way to export passwords so that we can optionally import them into another password manager?


That would be awsome to have such a Keypass integration. But it takes time and connection with their team - not that easy.
At least we could implement an import functionnalities that allow a user to import a .kdbx file into a Seedkeeper. But here again, as the memory size of a Seedkeeper is limited, it can be a mess to select what to import. Anyway, we are thinking about it for the next software release.

As for the command line info, you'll find your way here: https://github.com/Toporin/Seedkeeper-Tool


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May 16, 2025, 06:46:20 PM
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I heavily use KeePass implementations like KeePass2 and Keepassxc as password managers. It would be interesting if the Seedkeeper card could optionally be integrated into Keepass.
Great idea!
I support this 100% and KeePass is fantastic password manager.

That would be awsome to have such a Keypass integration. But it takes time and connection with their team - not that easy.
At least we could implement an import functionnalities that allow a user to import a .kdbx file into a Seedkeeper. But here again, as the memory size of a Seedkeeper is limited, it can be a mess to select what to import. Anyway, we are thinking about it for the next software release.
KeePassXC also allows importing of .csv .json and I think even .html and .xml files.
I don't know exact difference for file size, but smaller is better in this case.

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May 18, 2025, 05:36:57 AM
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Seedkeeper may have a good hardware design, but I would not store my bitcoins on any sort of device or item that has the words "Seed" and "Keeper" so prominently displayed on the card!

Thieves will recognize that this device contains cryptocurrency, and steal it. Or maybe do a $5 wrench attack against you.

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May 22, 2025, 09:21:21 PM
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Seedkeeper may have a good hardware design, but I would not store my bitcoins on any sort of device or item that has the words "Seed" and "Keeper" so prominently displayed on the card!
Nobody is forcing you to use that.
Satochip literally have totally blank cards and stealth cards with not text written on them, it's not that hard to find them.
You can also use any compatible java card purchased locally with blank or any design you want, and just load open source code from Satochip github page.

Blank java card:
https://satochip.io/product/card-for-diy-project/

OPSEC edition:
https://satochip.io/product/opsec-edition/

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July 07, 2025, 08:27:27 AM
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New video review about the Seedkeeper Ring:



Link: https://youtu.be/O9ehjA3V5QU?feature=shared

Enjoy!



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November 25, 2025, 07:58:37 AM
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March 12, 2026, 08:40:05 AM
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New video review about the Seedkeeper Ring:



Link: https://youtu.be/0kRNvUXspdc?si=A5quPeG2r5l6jf-T

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March 15, 2026, 11:36:58 AM
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Hi Tibu,

I'd like to begin by congratulating you on this excellent project.

A recent media article caught my attention, which concerned the Bitcoin community. It detailed the extortion of Bitcoin owners in France and brought to mind earlier threats made against Hal Finney's family.

So I was wondering about the following feature.. is it possible for Seedkeeper to have Plausible Deniability / Duress PIN Implementation?

I am not specialised in this field. So I was just thinking, given the hardware constraints of Java Cards, what are the primary pitfalls of implementing a native duress PIN or hidden volume mechanism? For instance

1. Memory Management: How can a second seed/vault be stored without its existence being obvious via memory-mapping or remaining EEPROM capacity?
2. Wear Leveling/Forensics: Does writing a second PIN/seed create a physical footprint on the chip that could be detected through power analysis or side-channel attacks?
3. Applet Logic: What are the risks of state-corruption if the applet must toggle between "Main" and "Decoy" modes within the limited Java Card environment?

Is this a feature you would consider for the `Seedkeeper-Applet` or are there fundamental hardware limitations that make true plausible deniability unachievable on this platform?

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April 08, 2026, 07:40:29 AM
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Hi Tibu,

I'd like to begin by congratulating you on this excellent project.

A recent media article caught my attention, which concerned the Bitcoin community. It detailed the extortion of Bitcoin owners in France and brought to mind earlier threats made against Hal Finney's family.

So I was wondering about the following feature.. is it possible for Seedkeeper to have Plausible Deniability / Duress PIN Implementation?

I am not specialised in this field. So I was just thinking, given the hardware constraints of Java Cards, what are the primary pitfalls of implementing a native duress PIN or hidden volume mechanism? For instance

1. Memory Management: How can a second seed/vault be stored without its existence being obvious via memory-mapping or remaining EEPROM capacity?
2. Wear Leveling/Forensics: Does writing a second PIN/seed create a physical footprint on the chip that could be detected through power analysis or side-channel attacks?
3. Applet Logic: What are the risks of state-corruption if the applet must toggle between "Main" and "Decoy" modes within the limited Java Card environment?

Is this a feature you would consider for the `Seedkeeper-Applet` or are there fundamental hardware limitations that make true plausible deniability unachievable on this platform?

all the best,



Sorry for the late reply and thanks for your thoughtful message and for raising these important points.

You are absolutely right, from a purely technical standpoint, a duress PIN mechanism is possible on a smartcard platform, including JavaCard. However, it is a complex feature to implement correctly and safely.

From a technical perspective, the main challenges are indeed related to secure memory handling, side-channel resistance, and applet state management. Storing a secondary seed or vault in a way that leaves no distinguishable footprint,  whether in EEPROM usage patterns, memory layout, or power analysis signatures, is non-trivial. While careful design can mitigate many risks, achieving true plausible deniability at the hardware level is extremely difficult. Smartcards are constrained environments, and their deterministic memory architecture makes perfect concealment challenging.

That said, beyond the technical hurdles, there is also a practical security consideration.

Providing a visibly different “decoy vault” under duress may appear to be a good solution against a wrench attack. However, if such a feature becomes widely known for a given product, an attacker may immediately suspect that the first access is a decoy. In that case, the user could be placed under even greater pressure to reveal the “real” access. In other words, plausible deniability can sometimes fail precisely because it is expected.

For this reason, we chose a different emergency approach.

Seedkeeper implements a secure wipe mechanism: after five incorrect PIN attempts, the card is automatically factory reset and all data is erased. In a coercion scenario, a user can plausibly “fail” to recall the correct PIN while attempting to cooperate. This allows the device to wipe itself without explicitly signaling the presence of a hidden vault.

Both approaches are viable and have their trade-offs. However, in our assessment, a deterministic secure wipe mechanism provides clearer security guarantees and avoids the risk of escalating coercion due to a suspected hidden mode.

Ultimately, though, the real solution should not rely solely on technical countermeasures. Strong legal enforcement and meaningful consequences for extortion and physical coercion are essential. Technology can mitigate risk, but it cannot replace the rule of law.

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November 09, 2026, 10:10:07 PM
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Interesting new products has been released from Satochip, and this are Seekeeper PRO card and ring.
They can both be used for storing passwords, passkey logins, and can serve as authentication device.
Seedkkeper Pro can serve as offline OTP code generator, and it has EAL6+ integrated secure element.
Price for card is €35 and for Ring €75, they support NFC, and are 100% open source.


https://seedkeeper.io/product/seedkeeper-pro-card/
https://seedkeeper.io/product/seedkeeper-pro-ring/

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Interesting new products has been released from Satochip, and this are Seekeeper PRO card and ring.
They can both be used for storing passwords, passkey logins, and can serve as authentication device.
Seedkkeper Pro can serve as offline OTP code generator, and it has EAL6+ integrated secure element.
Price for card is €35 and for Ring €75, they support NFC, and are 100% open source.
The product page and how-it-works page are taking a long time to load (and I don't think it's my internet). That said, from what I've seen, there's a fido2 with L1 Certified. What does L1 Certified mean?

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I think it's amazing, and wonderful, that the people at Satochip are doing such great work and literally giving it away for free. Yes, they're selling their products, but not only is their stuff open source, they've been helping other devs to use their work. For example, the devs behind ShieldSigner added Satochip and SeedKeeper. I use SeedKeeper on a generic java card with ShieldSigner.

To say that it's fantastic is an understatement. I really like SeedKeeper.

I have to assume it's only a matter of time before the new features of SeedKeeper Pro are available too.

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Today at 09:32:34 PM
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The product page and how-it-works page are taking a long time to load (and I don't think it's my internet). That said, from what I've seen, there's a fido2 with L1 Certified. What does L1 Certified mean?
I honestly don't know, so you should ask official team directly if you want to know.
From my research new Seedkeeper Pro cards are internally identical to old Seedkeeper cards, only software is different.

I think it's amazing, and wonderful, that the people at Satochip are doing such great work and literally giving it away for free. Yes, they're selling their products, but not only is their stuff open source, they've been helping other devs to use their work. For example, the devs behind ShieldSigner added Satochip and SeedKeeper. I use SeedKeeper on a generic java card with ShieldSigner.
This is the thing I like the most about Satochip....ability to use any compatible javacard and just load software yourself.
I want to see Seedkeepr Pro getting more updates in future, and maybe something made by community.   

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I think it's amazing, and wonderful, that the people at Satochip are doing such great work and literally giving it away for free. Yes, they're selling their products, but not only is their stuff open source, they've been helping other devs to use their work. For example, the devs behind ShieldSigner added Satochip and SeedKeeper. I use SeedKeeper on a generic java card with ShieldSigner.
This is the thing I like the most about Satochip....ability to use any compatible javacard and just load software yourself.

Yup. I really want to find a black or silver java card, or anything that doesn't look like a java card, y'know? Something with no crypto logos, but also something that looks more like a credit card than a java card... or, better yet, something that looks like a cheap club card... for opsec.

I want to see Seedkeepr Pro getting more updates in future, and maybe something made by community.   

Absolutely. I love that Satochip lets other devs use their code and even assists them. That kind of cooperation is how bugs are found and code is improved.

If ColdCard had kept their firmware fully open source, their randomness bug would have been found shortly after it was introduced, and it would have been quickly fixed. No one would have been robbed.

Open source matters.

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