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May 09, 2022, 12:02:42 PM |
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We know algorithmic stablecoins are new and risky. UST is backed by Luna, and the foundation behind Luna bought so much Bitcoin I believe they're now amongst the top 10 holders.
If UST loses its peg against the dollar and Luna isn't enough to bring it back up, the foundation will have to sell some of its BTC to keep the peg, which applies sell pressure on BTC and brings it down along with the whole crypto market.
Is this what's happening now already?
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May 09, 2022, 09:39:10 PM |
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We know algorithmic stablecoins are new and risky. UST is backed by Luna, and the foundation behind Luna bought so much Bitcoin I believe they're now amongst the top 10 holders.
If UST loses its peg against the dollar and Luna isn't enough to bring it back up, the foundation will have to sell some of its BTC to keep the peg, which applies sell pressure on BTC and brings it down along with the whole crypto market.
Is this what's happening now already?
I think that the Luna treasury alone is not able to make the entire cryptocurrency market drop so drastically. However, the financial security of Luna that you write about seems to me very unstable and in my opinion this may be one of the reasons why this project may be in danger of collapse.
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May 09, 2022, 09:47:35 PM |
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We know algorithmic stablecoins are new and risky. UST is backed by Luna, and the foundation behind Luna bought so much Bitcoin I believe they're now amongst the top 10 holders.
If UST loses its peg against the dollar and Luna isn't enough to bring it back up, the foundation will have to sell some of its BTC to keep the peg, which applies sell pressure on BTC and brings it down along with the whole crypto market.
Is this what's happening now already?
Yes, UST can collapse but i doubt that it would bring everything down. It would just affect some coins. USDT has been suspected not to hold as well but as they have insanely well backed up it with real world value, it won't crash.
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May 09, 2022, 10:32:49 PM |
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We know algorithmic stablecoins are new and risky. UST is backed by Luna, and the foundation behind Luna bought so much Bitcoin I believe they're now amongst the top 10 holders.
If UST loses its peg against the dollar and Luna isn't enough to bring it back up, the foundation will have to sell some of its BTC to keep the peg, which applies sell pressure on BTC and brings it down along with the whole crypto market.
Is this what's happening now already?
looks like they start selling bitcoin to buy ust, recently UST price down to 0,83 and it is not be stable coin anymore with its value. i am agree luna foundation now breaking crypto market with their algorithm . bitcoin would not be stable and keep cracking down due it usage by luna.i heard in twitter their bitcoin move from wallet and we dont know what will happen next with this tranfer.
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May 09, 2022, 10:54:08 PM |
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We know algorithmic stablecoins are new and risky. UST is backed by Luna, and the foundation behind Luna bought so much Bitcoin I believe they're now amongst the top 10 holders.
If UST loses its peg against the dollar and Luna isn't enough to bring it back up, the foundation will have to sell some of its BTC to keep the peg, which applies sell pressure on BTC and brings it down along with the whole crypto market.
Is this what's happening now already?
looks like they start selling bitcoin to buy ust, recently UST price down to 0,83 and it is not be stable coin anymore with its value. i am agree luna foundation now breaking crypto market with their algorithm . bitcoin would not be stable and keep cracking down due it usage by luna.i heard in twitter their bitcoin move from wallet and we dont know what will happen next with this tranfer. based on whales tracker it true there is bitcoin tranfer above 40k bitcoin to centralized exchange, if its true from luna foundation guard maybe it will dumped for buying ust which is failed to pegged $1. even ust price drop tp 0,84 recently and with this condition LFG has possibility to dumpbitcoin and back ust.
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May 09, 2022, 11:04:07 PM |
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We know algorithmic stablecoins are new and risky. UST is backed by Luna, and the foundation behind Luna bought so much Bitcoin I believe they're now amongst the top 10 holders.
If UST loses its peg against the dollar and Luna isn't enough to bring it back up, the foundation will have to sell some of its BTC to keep the peg, which applies sell pressure on BTC and brings it down along with the whole crypto market.
Is this what's happening now already?
looks like they start selling bitcoin to buy ust, recently UST price down to 0,83 and it is not be stable coin anymore with its value. i am agree luna foundation now breaking crypto market with their algorithm . bitcoin would not be stable and keep cracking down due it usage by luna.i heard in twitter their bitcoin move from wallet and we dont know what will happen next with this tranfer. based on whales tracker it true there is bitcoin tranfer above 40k bitcoin to centralized exchange, if its true from luna foundation guard maybe it will dumped for buying ust which is failed to pegged $1. even ust price drop tp 0,84 recently and with this condition LFG has possibility to dumpbitcoin and back ust. If this is true and luna is selling its security fund, then the structure of this project is not bear market immune. It looks like this project was simply poorly constructed and poorly secured. If the price of Bitcoin continues to fall, Luna may completely collapsed.
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May 09, 2022, 11:23:54 PM |
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If you will see other non-crypto markets like stock markets, they are also bleeding so for me it's normal this time and Luna is nothing to do about it. Luna experiencing some problems now, if you take a look at their UST now that is trading below 0.9 USDT, a very huge problem, started to fail about peg to $1. But I believe this is just temporary, the team behind Terra Luna is hard working and for sure they will fix it.
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May 09, 2022, 11:40:33 PM |
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If you will see other non-crypto markets like stock markets, they are also bleeding so for me it's normal this time and Luna is nothing to do about it. Luna experiencing some problems now, if you take a look at their UST now that is trading below 0.9 USDT, a very huge problem, started to fail about peg to $1. But I believe this is just temporary, the team behind Terra Luna is hard working and for sure they will fix it.
Terra Luna isn't the only issue to bring the market down. According to me it is the time in which the market is supposed to have a bear market. The increase in the interest rates to keep control of the inflation is a major reason connected with the market crash. As said this isn't happening with cryptocurrency market. Almost every market is down and the increase of interest rates weren't happening only in the USA, everywhere similar situation prevails. In my country the value against dollar have gone high in history.
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May 09, 2022, 11:42:28 PM |
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Yeah that's why algoritmic solution will not always work to be implemented in any situation. Sometime people must have realized it. Luna is putting its platform into another disaster. It's better to back it with the dollar and keep the value of bitcoin. This time it may sell some its bitcoin like what already done by microstrategy when this company is silently selling its bitcoin reserved funds to the market. That's a bit surprised to see that but this is the reality. Luna may collapse due to a poo mechanism that used by its ust stable token.
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May 10, 2022, 02:44:53 AM |
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Yeah that's why algoritmic solution will not always work to be implemented in any situation. Sometime people must have realized it. Luna is putting its platform into another disaster. It's better to back it with the dollar and keep the value of bitcoin. This time it may sell some its bitcoin like what already done by microstrategy when this company is silently selling its bitcoin reserved funds to the market. That's a bit surprised to see that but this is the reality. Luna may collapse due to a poo mechanism that used by its ust stable token.
Yes what you say is true, maybe Tera Luna is currently very heavy with the dirt of other stablecoins. So that there is a price sentiment right now but we don't have to worry about the current price decline because we also know that using a decentralized public blockchain platform for stablecoins is algorithmic and monitors asset prices, of course they are able to maintain their right price with a set of rules or software rather than underlying assets.
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May 10, 2022, 02:49:32 AM |
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I think that the Luna treasury alone is not able to make the entire cryptocurrency market drop so drastically.
Imagine you are shorting 50k bitcoin to the market. that's enough to create very big pressure to the market like this time. Terra luna keeps selling their bitcoin for UST but again market will decide whether they will trust UST again or not. A wallet with 10 millions UST already lost a lot for did nothing. this is a big shame for this foundation. However, the financial security of Luna that you write about seems to me very unstable and in my opinion this may be one of the reasons why this project may be in danger of collapse.
Only stupid developers will introduce stable token in valued pegged with fiat money but it's not using fiat money as a way to make it stable or backed it. How dumb these developers are. If bitcoin will be dropping so hard and that will be the end for the foundation
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Yes, UST can collapse but i doubt that it would bring everything down. It would just affect some coins. USDT has been suspected not to hold as well but as they have insanely well backed up it with real world value, it won't crash.
Although there is a little suspicion on USDT, but until now there are still very many people who use USDT because the stablecoin is still very good and almost everyone still believes in USDT than UST you mean it.
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We know algorithmic stablecoins are new and risky. UST is backed by Luna, and the foundation behind Luna bought so much Bitcoin I believe they're now amongst the top 10 holders.
If UST loses its peg against the dollar and Luna isn't enough to bring it back up, the foundation will have to sell some of its BTC to keep the peg, which applies sell pressure on BTC and brings it down along with the whole crypto market.
Is this what's happening now already?
I was impressed by what they've been doing a few months ago about a continuous purchase of bitcoin. Now, we're seeing the expense of it and you're right with what you've said. As they try to maintain it through possible sell-offs as their stable coin is about to downfall, we actually are seeing its fall, and if this continues and isn't able to maintain its position as stable. Possibly that we're going to see the domino effect of it but, this isn't just all about UST and Luna. But this is an overall experience of the world market which still has an active conflict of Russia and Ukraine.
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May 10, 2022, 05:47:05 AM |
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It's not only bringing the market down but it's also bring its own token like tera and ust to go down as well. Tera foundation didn't expect if the dump will create massive sell for their own tokens. I do believe if the disaster for this company is coming. UST was just an experiment and it has not even tested. So many platforms have tried to created various stable tokens but these companies have gone. I expect the same thing to happen with tera foundation with those platforms.
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May 10, 2022, 05:50:33 AM |
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We know algorithmic stablecoins are new and risky. UST is backed by Luna, and the foundation behind Luna bought so much Bitcoin I believe they're now amongst the top 10 holders.
If UST loses its peg against the dollar and Luna isn't enough to bring it back up, the foundation will have to sell some of its BTC to keep the peg, which applies sell pressure on BTC and brings it down along with the whole crypto market.
Is this what's happening now already?
Luna ponzinomics will surely fuel the bear for more downward direction. This is the repercussions of hyping the market with huge APY while can't sustain in the long run. Of course everybody that staking on high APY will easily take profit when the market turns south just like what happening right now. I wonder if LUNA foundation will do a buy back to cover the value loss on there stablecoin or will be happy on the money they bag from traders that purchase UST in exchange for temporary high APY.
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I think Miners are currently selling according to the picture i see on twitter ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2Fjw82b25%2F20220510-075105.jpg&t=665&c=i7swPkI6tt4Y1g) . If not, then its Terra Selling to pump thier ust. At least Terra company is being transparent enough and sincere about its plans on bitcoin. So its what we should expect if ust is not in same level as usdt.
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I think Miners are currently selling according to the picture i see on twitter ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2Fjw82b25%2F20220510-075105.jpg&t=665&c=i7swPkI6tt4Y1g) . If not, then its Terra Selling to pump thier ust. At least Terra company is being transparent enough and sincere about its plans on bitcoin. So its what we should expect if ust is not in same level as usdt. then let us wait for a moment when they will going to explain their side or at least shows their behavior nowadays . because this dumping season may continue to happen and maybe there will more bad to come . I don't expect any Bull coming this may until September , and that is at least 4 months of this dump , and also I believe that there are something from the whales to take part in this dumping .
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May 10, 2022, 10:21:53 AM |
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We know algorithmic stablecoins are new and risky. UST is backed by Luna, and the foundation behind Luna bought so much Bitcoin I believe they're now amongst the top 10 holders.
If UST loses its peg against the dollar and Luna isn't enough to bring it back up, the foundation will have to sell some of its BTC to keep the peg, which applies sell pressure on BTC and brings it down along with the whole crypto market.
Is this what's happening now already?
this is a domino effect of implementing stablecoins that are backed bitcoin. during bull markets we will never realize this, but during market crashes like today. we see clearly stablecoins turning into unstable coins. as you said everything is interconnected and the effect is a downturn in the crypto market.
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May 10, 2022, 11:58:25 AM |
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It's impossible, unless if they sell all their bitcoin that they bought previously because surely it can make an impact in the market. But seems they're not the reason behind of the situation of the market in my personal opinion, because obviously we are currently on panic selling from weak hands that bought bitcoin during the bearish that the price of bitcoin is almost down 50% from ATH. and i have doubts miners are involved as well on this situation..
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May 10, 2022, 12:13:31 PM |
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If not, then its Terra Selling to pump thier ust. At least Terra company is being transparent enough and sincere about its plans on bitcoin. So its what we should expect if ust is not in same level as usdt.
Yes, terra was pumping its UST used bitcoin from the treasury/LFG. It seems like some bitcoins have been moving to the new wallet but this company has sold more than 500 millions USD worth of bitcoin to the market but the problem is selling in a loss was a disaster to this company. That's why terra wants to issue another 1.5 billions loan to make the UST stable. The idea by backing the stable asset with unstable asset was a very bad idea. This idea needs to be restructured again.
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